Gregg Doyel on Podcast On The Brink

[FortWayneHoosier 6,109]

If you have not listened to this podcast here is the link

http://www.insidethehall.com/2017/01/12/potb-158-gregg-doyel-indianapolis-star/

He really gives this fan base a reality check if you haven't gotten it already it's only a 30 minute interview but it's really thought provoking..

I really hope to hear some thoughts on this

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[lucel15 3,052]

If you have not listened to this podcast here is the link

http://www.insidethehall.com/2017/01/12/potb-158-gregg-doyel-indianapolis-star/

He really gives this fan base a reality check if you haven't gotten it already it's only a 30 minute interview but it's really thought provoking.

I really hope to hear some thoughts on this

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I may listen.... But I have not bought or read an indy star sports segment because of his awful journalism towards he end of November and beginning of December. He lost all respect after his purdue piece and then he continued to troll the players on the team on Twitter. Very very disrespectful


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[Stuhoo 80,487]

2 minutes ago, FortWayneHoosier said:

 

If you have not listened to this podcast here is the link

http://www.insidethehall.com/2017/01/12/potb-158-gregg-doyel-indianapolis-star/

He really gives this fan base a reality check if you haven't gotten it already it's only a 30 minute interview but it's really thought provoking..

I really hope to hear some thoughts on this

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Great post...should probably be moved to The Fire Crean thread for its highest relevancy.

 

[FortWayneHoosier 6,109]

 

Great post...should probably be moved to The Fire Crean thread for its highest relevancy.

 

Hahah it's not all about firing Tom Crean. He gives break downs on a lot of the players and where he thinks they are. Breaks down Thomas Bryant and James Blackmon.

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[Stuhoo 80,487]

14 minutes ago, lucel15 said:

I may listen.... But I have not bought or read an indy star sports segment because of his awful journalism towards he end of November and beginning of December. He lost all respect after his purdue piece and then he continued to troll the players on the team on Twitter. Very very disrespectful


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True; I have a distant memory of Doyle taking unwarranted shots at Joani Crean...not okay.

On the other hand, much like Dakich, Doyle is now a proponent of the theory that Crean has evolved and is good at his job.

 

[brandct 610]

I will try to listen to it all the way through, but I don't care for Doyel never really have liked his journalism. Honestly though I do not think that he understands Hoosier Basketball. He is a Hawaii Born, Florida Gator educated journalist. He has no ties to Indiana what so ever other than his job at the Indy star for the last 3 years.

[FortWayneHoosier 6,109]

True; I have a distant memory of Doyle taking unwarranted shots at Joani Crean...not okay.

On the other hand, much like Dakich, Doyle is now a proponent of the theory that Crean has evolved and is good at his job.

 

He actually goes into how he ha personally apologized to Crean and his family, damn you stu I didn't want to give all of it away!!!! Lol


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[brandct 610]

I am about halfway through it I am glad that he apologized to Crean for his column that he wrote less than a week or two after starting his job. He has talked about how Crean has developed as a coach. He might have last year, but you have to count into that that Blackmon got hurt, but this year he is back to the same old Crean. He is also talking about how Butler lost last night because of taking to many 3's early in the shot clock. Well that is half our offense, but yet he says Crean has developed. 

As far as player development there has not been much this year at all. He has had a few successes Oladipo, Sheehey, but he has had way more failures. We have not developed 1 decent big guy in 9 years since he has been here. Cody was no better the day that he left then the day that he showed up.  

[lucel15 3,052]

True; I have a distant memory of Doyle taking unwarranted shots at Joani Crean...not okay.

On the other hand, much like Dakich, Doyle is now a proponent of the theory that Crean has evolved and is good at his job.

 

I'm talking about his football piece.


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[brandct 610]

I listened to it all and I agree with him that Bryant is not ready, but that comes back to his development he was closer to being ready last year then he was right now. OG is the same way as Bryant, and if these people are not leaving how many scholarships do we have opening up? Is he going to redshirt Hartman? I think for the amount of people he has signed we already need to lose 1-2 people. If none of this happens are we going back to Creaning more players? 

 

Also him saying he thinks 92% of IU fans are happy with him I think that is a gross miscalculation because I have not met 1 single person that is fully happy in the job he is doing/has done. Also if he was talking about how he thinks fans are 92% happy with him as a coach and not 92% of fans are happy I think that is a gross miscalculation also. People are not happy with his recruiting right now, people are not happy with his sub patterns, people are not happy with his defense, and there is much more. Either way Doyel meant that I think is way off base. They also are so quick to forget all the problems kids have had under him with the law, drugs, and alcohol. To keep praising him for his high character teams is a misrepresentation.

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I'm talking about his football piece.


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Ditto what lucel said above. I haven't read anything from Doyle since that piece on the bucket game and I don't plan on starting now. I don't really care what his opinion is.


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[Magnanimous 4,571]

You know which fanbases aren't having these discussions? The ones who have the right coach.

[Old Friend 8,389]

I truly want to know what Doyel is watching.  We need to go to Bryant more??   After watching that garbage the other night, who would say that?   He is getting better and better players?  Who?  Where?   Has he seen our class next season?   Our players are...okay, but better and better?  We had 2 lottery picks three years ago.   Better?  Where?   Crean's record is what it is.  He has been past the sweet 16 one time in 19 seasons.  In 11 seasons in a BCS conference (C-USA was a BS conference when he was at Marquette), he's finished above 4th place in his conference twice.   When is that good enough here??   The bar has been lowered if what Doyel says is accurate.

[mdn82 25,510]

I am about halfway through it I am glad that he apologized to Crean for his column that he wrote less than a week or two after starting his job. He has talked about how Crean has developed as a coach. He might have last year, but you have to count into that that Blackmon got hurt, but this year he is back to the same old Crean. He is also talking about how Butler lost last night because of taking to many 3's early in the shot clock. Well that is half our offense, but yet he says Crean has developed. 

As far as player development there has not been much this year at all. He has had a few successes Oladipo, Sheehey, but he has had way more failures. We have not developed 1 decent big guy in 9 years since he has been here. Cody was no better the day that he left then the day that he showed up.  

I think I would disagree on the big development. Davis this year has improved since last year in high school. His post moves are night and day. Play development involves physically growing with help of the weight room. Not sure that you saw Zeller in high school, but he was 210 lbs dripping wet when he stepped on campus. I also thought that helped his ability to rebound. He was so smart he was always in the right position on the boards. So I think the thought of him not developing a big is much like the thought high school coaches would do better than Crean are off.


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[recker222000 1,010]

I truly want to know what Doyel is watching.  We need to go to Bryant more??   After watching that garbage the other night, who would say that?   He is getting better and better players?  Who?  Where?   Has he seen our class next season?   Our players are...okay, but better and better?  We had 2 lottery picks three years ago.   Better?  Where?   Crean's record is what it is.  He has been past the sweet 16 one time in 19 seasons.  In 11 seasons in a BCS conference (C-USA was a BS conference when he was at Marquette), he's finished above 4th place in his conference twice.   When is that good enough here??   The bar has been lowered if what Doyel says is accurate.

He is going out of his way to hype crean up and apologize. And he thinks creans brining in better recruits each year

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[Ryno6284 2,644]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

I think I would disagree on the big development. Davis this year has improved since last year in high school. His post moves are night and day. Play development involves physically growing with help of the weight room. Not sure that you saw Zeller in high school, but he was 210 lbs dripping wet when he stepped on campus. I also thought that helped his ability to rebound. He was so smart he was always in the right position on the boards. So I think the thought of him not developing a big is much like the thought high school coaches would do better than Crean are off.


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Davis is better this year than any of us thought he would be.  Lets wait and see if he is better next year vs. this year before we say he has developed.  Zeller was not any better the day he left vs. the day he first started.  Yeah, he was obviously bigger than he was in high school, but I don't think he made any huge leaps freshman to sophomore year.  TB has regressed in a huge way!  Very disappointed in him this year, especially with all the bitching to the refs on "no calls"!

[reconmkd 4,361]

After filtering through the sunshine pumping, ugh, he had some good points about the players, but really couldn't get passed him drooling over Crean. Definitely seems to be making up for the past indiscretions. 

[JSHoosier 20,136]

49 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

Davis is better this year than any of us thought he would be.  Lets wait and see if he is better next year vs. this year before we say he has developed.  Zeller was not any better the day he left vs. the day he first started.  Yeah, he was obviously bigger than he was in high school, but I don't think he made any huge leaps freshman to sophomore year.  TB has regressed in a huge way!  Very disappointed in him this year, especially with all the bitching to the refs on "no calls"!

This.  Zeller was stronger but skill wise he was the same, and his pump fake completely disappeared.  Bryant isn't better at all, not to mention for much of the year he had the emotional stability of a toddler instead of a 13 year old like last year.

[recker222000 1,010]

After filtering through the sunshine pumping, ugh, he had some good points about the players, but really couldn't get passed him drooling over Crean. Definitely seems to be making up for the past indiscretions. 

I dont think i could even listen to one of those with him again. The butt kissing was pathetic.

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[recker222000 1,010]

I am about halfway through it I am glad that he apologized to Crean for his column that he wrote less than a week or two after starting his job. He has talked about how Crean has developed as a coach. He might have last year, but you have to count into that that Blackmon got hurt, but this year he is back to the same old Crean. He is also talking about how Butler lost last night because of taking to many 3's early in the shot clock. Well that is half our offense, but yet he says Crean has developed. 

As far as player development there has not been much this year at all. He has had a few successes Oladipo, Sheehey, but he has had way more failures. We have not developed 1 decent big guy in 9 years since he has been here. Cody was no better the day that he left then the day that he showed up.  

Doyle has boarded the tom and joni train and he is not getting off. Sunshine and rainbows only. Maybe a tear or two.

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