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[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

That's kind of what I was getting at. I thought Brunk was ranked number 2 so if he is not sure i want a lot of Indiana kids this class.

Even a lower ranked Indiana kid is better than a high ranked kid from New York. Everyone knows that. It's all about the basketball IQ.

[Old Friend 8,389]

This is amazing.  First you start out saying Yogi isn't a leader, then you say Crean needs local kids who get it.  Yogi is the absolute definition of a local kid.

 

Then you use the examples of Stanford Robinson and Emmit Holt as problem kids from out of state...yet ignore Jeremy Hollowell and Yogi Ferrell (even Jaquan Lyle) as local kids who don't get it.

 

Your argument holds absolutely no water when you look at the whole picture instead of focusing on samples that suit your argument.

You don't understand what I'm saying and have said consistently for years, and the irony of your last sentence is simply funny.  

 

1)  I have frequently used Hollowell as THE example of a local kid who didn't get it.  In fact, I was very vocal (because I'd scouted and coached against him when he was in high school) that he was a bad fit before he ever set foot on campus.  Please get your facts straight.   What you said above is incorrect.

2)  JaQuan Lyle doesn't play for Indiana.  He's not a relevant example.

3)  What on Earth are you trying to say with this?   One has nothing to do with the other :  first you start out saying Yogi isn't a leader, then you say Crean needs local kids who get it.  

 

Reminds me of a Homer Simpson quote : "First, you didn't want me to get the pony.  Now you want me to take it back!  Make up your mind, Marge!"   Huh??   Yogi ISN'T a leader.  And I DO think Crean needs to focus locally and bring kids in here who get it.   What's your point?   Or maybe you haven't noticed the decline of Indiana as a national program and a ton of off-court incidents under Crean's watch from kids who have never shown any regard for where they are?

 

I don't need to explain it in great detail to appease you or anyone, but what's amazing to me is you stopping short of using the entirety of what I said so you could make a point and then tell me I'm picking and choosing.   Yogi isn't a leader.  He's just not.  I've said so many times.  Yogi has thus far been a decent college point guard.  That's all.  Maybe he has a better season; but that won't make him a leader.  

 

Being local (this is where meaning and the completeness of comments is important) doesn't make anybody a leader and it doesn't mean a kid "gets it."   You can watch Yogi Ferrell play and see him frequently try to do too much.  He's trying to force things with his own skills...which is fine if you can do it while making your team better.  He cannot.  He has not. If you're implying that "local focus" is all encompassing and if we focus locally, our problems will be solved, that's not at all what I'm saying and never what I've said.  Again, don't need to re-hash everything because there's a lot to it.

 

You've successfully taken snipits of what I said and scattered them to an unrecognizable mish-mash of words to which you've applied your own meaning.   There is a small group of you (and you all "like" each others' posts) who see it your own way; and that's fine; but please stay on topic and on meaning.   When you apply different meaning than me or any other poster and then tell me/us how foolish we look, it's....well, you can figure it out.  

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

 When you apply different meaning than me or any other poster and then tell me/us how foolish we look, it's....well, you can figure it out.  

Man, someone taking what you say and changing the argument so that they magically win? That must be frustrating.

[Old Friend 8,389]

Did you just move the goalposts back half the distance and then argue that you're correct because you were able to satisfy your new line? I'll bet Scobee wishes it worked that way. I mean, if I move the conversation back and say "Well, Final Fours don't make my point but let's look at Sweet Sixteens!" is that still really the same argument? Or "Usain Bolt should run the 1200 meter relay because he's really good at the 40"? 

 

Who cares who believes is the "Best" team? Kentucky was the best team last year, where is their banner? Is this Btown Banners or Btown Moral Victories Because We Were Really The Best Team We Just Lost In The Final Four? Might as well keep Mike Davis then, at least he got there. Though, I guess Crean went there once too and won a conference championship! So, I mean, that means we're good enough right? Indiana's best team was arguably the 1992 Final Four losing team. You think when Cal Cheaney grabbed his seat he was like "well, at least we're better than Duke"?

 

And of course you disagree. Everyone who thinks the only reason we haven't won another championship is because we aren't doing everything exactly the same way Bob Knight does disagrees. But, unfortunately, age and an inability to adapt to a changing system means you're wrong. Sorry. You are never going to see a 100% local team winning the NC. We invented cars and the internet and telephones and figured out whole new ways to evaluate talent. So, no longer is UNLV a perennial loser because they can't find that many players in Nevada, they get to travel the entire country and take whom they want.

 

And I would say it baffles me how many people still can't figure out the world has changed and they're the ones who fell behind, but I have to go make a phone call that will result in a week of leaving messages because old people still think it's more efficient than an email since they've never adapted to the new paradigm.

 

Edit: And wait. You changed the goalposts and then DIDN'T EVEN DO THE LEGWORK??!!?! You based it on the names? Are you actually kidding me? No. Look back at the scholarship rosters, because that is the entire point. You highlighted Kentucky and you know darn well Kentucky is not recruiting locally, so why highlight them as a "midwestern team". If it's good enough to just have the team name be midwestern, then we've already got that covered. Find my post that did the legwork from a few months ago, the last time this argument which is a total waste of everyone's freaking time happened. There were a small handful of rosters that weren't helpfully annotated on wikipedia, and since I'm not retired, I didn't have time to look up every player. Maybe you'll get lucky. Even scholarship numbers are mostly useless (I mean, unless lumps like Jeremiah April are important to a championship), but who has the time to determine what players actually played? I mean, there are other things in all our lives besides this site.

 

Personally, I just don't get how IUPUI isn't rolling in Final Fours. They have almost all Indiana kids and the rest are from the midwest!

As impressive as this rant is, I never said we needed "only" local kids; and my point is there are plenty of great recruits within 200 miles of Bloomington with whom we can build a national champion.  I put my focus on being in position to win titles...winning Big ten championships first.  I didn't move the goalposts.  I gave you MY goalposts because yours are set to a level Indiana may never achieve again for myriad reasons.  Or..we may.   Of course I want NCAA titles; but I think that focus is foolish.  We all want to win titles.  But first, we have to consistently be in position to do that, and we're not close.  I felt the same way about the idiot Colts talking Super Bowl in June.  I want to win consistently.  I want to be a national power, which means I want Indiana to succeed year after year after year.  That will allow chances to win it all; and it'll happen organically.  If any coach focuses on solely that goal, he won't succeed.  You referenced Knight as if he's some basketball anti-Christ; but he had it right long before his time.  He focused on the Big Ten, and he focused on local kids who understood the culture and expectations at Indiana; and if you don't understand the importance of that, we may as well stop this whole debate.  Norman Dale had it right, too.  Focus only on the step in front of you.  If you look past it, you'll fail.  You know that, right?  It's true in business; it's true in sports, and it's true in every aspect of life.   So what if someone figured that out 100 years ago?   Should we stop using candles just because we now have lightbulbs?  Is it all or nothing?  Sustainability is a pretty important item.

 

We do not need to recruit the east coast in order to succeed.  You can spin it any way you want and use the IUPUI example as if it has any meaning; but the reality of my overall point, which has been the same for 7 years, is Indiana University has done itself a huge dis-service by moving away from a focus on local kids in favor of players from the southeast under Mike Davis and the east coast under Crean.  

 

Tom Izzo focuses locally.  So does Bo Ryan.  So did Brad Stevens.  There are 3 schools which Indiana plays every season or every other season who have all had huge success very recently.  It doesn't have anything to do with Knight.  I just don't think the downfall of this program coincidentally coincided with a shift in geographical recruiting focus.  The overall point was, is, and will remain that despite how much we loved Oladipo and AJ Moye, Indiana can do just fine by NOT spending 10x as much on basketball recruiting as Wisconsin does, and it's embarrassing that we DO given where we are.  It's not like the shift in focus has produced results.

 

Edit :  Kentucky was simply an example of a team that has a strong basketball culture.  Outside of the midwest, there are two and only two schools that can claim anywhere close to a basketball culture similar to that of Indiana.  Duke and North Carolina.  Maybe Syracuse and an argument can be made for Arizona, although their success is relatively recent, and they recruit very locally in their own area, so I can put them in the same category as Michigan State or Wisconsin.   Kentucky has a grass roots basketball culture, which is what I meant, even if I didn't say it very well.   UCLA had a nice run with a cheating program for 10 years, and Floida's good every now and then; but apart from that?  I can't name others.   East coast kids have a "sport of basketball" mentality.  Everything is with the ball.  Everything off the dribble.  Everything's a highlight.  That's what you get in big cities where kids grow up on the streets because that's their place to grow and develop; and AAU ball is where they generally get their influencial coaching.  How many examples do you need?   You're right.  I know good and well Kentucky recruits nationally, and they stockpile a ton of talent which is why they win.  But even if that's a bad example, look at the 3 or 4 teams who seem to be in the Big Ten conversation each and every year : Wisconsin, Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan.   Look at their rosters.  The midwest has a very different culture; and it wins consistently.  

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

As impressive as this rant is, I never said we needed "only" local kids; and my point is there are plenty of great recruits within 200 miles of Bloomington with whom we can build a national champion.  We do not need to recruit the east coast in order to succeed.  You can spin it any way you want and use the IUPUI example as if it has any meaning; but the reality of my overall point, which has been the same for 7 years, is Indiana University has done itself a huge dis-service by moving away from a focus on local kids in favor of players from the southeast under Mike Davis and the east coast under Crean.  

 

Tom Izzo focuses locally.  So does Bo Ryan.  So did Brad Stevens.  There are 3 schools which Indiana plays every season or every other season who have all had huge success very recently.  It doesn't have anything to do with Knight.  I just don't think the downfall of this program coincidentally coincided with a shift in geographical recruiting focus.  The overall point was, is, and will remain that despite how much we loved Oladipo and AJ Moye, Indiana can do just fine by NOT spending 10x as much on basketball recruiting as Wisconsin does, and it's embarrassing that we DO given where we are.  It's not like the shift in focus has produced results.

I honestly hope we get a coach who comes in and loses for 10 years with local kids just to end this ridiculous and outdated argument. Oh, except he'd probably get dismissed as an aberration (like poor IUPUI).

 

If you figure out how to get the kids Izzo gets to come here instead of to MSU after they watched Indiana struggle year after year for the last 18 years of their lives then give Chuck Martin a call. I'm positive he would listen to the advice. This argument relies on us living in some crazy world where Swanigan was aching deep in his loins to come here if we had just asked.

 

The local kids don't want us. What would you have us do? Sorry Tom Bryant, we can do just fine without you.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Edit :  Kentucky was simply an example of a team that has a strong basketball culture.  Outside of the midwest, there are two and only two schools that can claim anywhere close to a basketball culture similar to that of Indiana.  Duke and North Carolina.  Maybe Syracuse and an argument can be made for Arizona, although they recruit very locally in their own area, so I can put them in the same category as Michigan State or Wisconsin.   Kentucky has a grass roots basketball culture, which is what I meant, even if I didn't say it very well.   UCLA had a nice run with a cheating program for 10 years, and Floida's good every now and then; but apart from that?  I can't name others.   East coast kids have a "sport of basketball" mentality.  Everything is with the ball.  Everything off the dribble.  Everything's a highlight.  That's what you get in big cities where kids grow up on the streets because that's their place to grow and develop; and AAU ball is where they generally get their influencial coaching.  How many examples do you need?   You're right.  I know good and well Kentucky recruits nationally, and they stockpile a ton of talent which is why they win.  But even if that's a bad example, look at the 3 or 4 teams who seem to be in the Big Ten conversation each and every year : Wisconsin, Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan.   Look at their rosters.  The midwest has a very different culture; and it wins consistently.  

Oh yeah, I that's why I can't name a single East Coast basketball school.

 

Oh wait, they didn't move Duke and UNC to another state? Well, UConn, Syracuse, are probably go-- no? Really? Are you guys sure about that?

 

And OSU recruits heavily outside the midwest (I mean, 3 kids from the deep south who aren't named April is crazy high). And let's see how Wisco does without Bo.

[Stuhoo 81,072]

As impressive as this rant is, I never said we needed "only" local kids; and my point is there are plenty of great recruits within 200 miles of Bloomington with whom we can build a national champion.  We do not need to recruit the east coast in order to succeed.  You can spin it any way you want and use the IUPUI example as if it has any meaning; but the reality of my overall point, which has been the same for 7 years, is Indiana University has done itself a huge dis-service by moving away from a focus on local kids in favor of players from the southeast under Mike Davis and the east coast under Crean.  

 

Tom Izzo focuses locally.  So does Bo Ryan.  So did Brad Stevens.  There are 3 schools which Indiana plays every season or every other season who have all had huge success very recently.  It doesn't have anything to do with Knight.  I just don't think the downfall of this program coincidentally coincided with a shift in geographical recruiting focus.  The overall point was, is, and will remain that despite how much we loved Oladipo and AJ Moye, Indiana can do just fine by NOT spending 10x as much on basketball recruiting as Wisconsin does, and it's embarrassing that we DO given where we are.  It's not like the shift in focus has produced results.

 

I agree with a lot of this: you are NOT saying that an Indiana kid is automatically a good player and/or a leader. You are also clear that an out of state kid can meet and exceed standards. I also agree that we have a recruiting advantage with local families that want to see their kids play for a B1G school on the biggest stage.

 

The only problem point I see is the assertion that while CTC is coach we can win national championships with who we can bring in from (more or less) between Chicago and Louisville high schools.

 

AAU, the internet, and expanded cable networks have made top 100 kids national spectacles, and the Dukes and Kansas's are huge competition, even in our own backyard. I like Grant Gelon and his ilk as part of a class, but if we overspend our recruiting focus locally, we very well could still lose out on just as many of the local top 100, and have far fewer options when we did.

 

One of CTC's perceived major faults is his local "like him" factor, one of his major strengths is his energy level and work ethic with recrutis no matter where they are. I'm NOT saying that this dynamic is optimum; but I am saying that we should take advantage of his strengths, and not look to magically transform his weaknesses.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

I agree with a lot of this: you are NOT saying that an Indiana kid is automatically a good player and/or a leader. You are also clear that an out of state kid can meet and exceed standards. I also agree that we have a recruiting advantage with local families that want to see their kids play for a B1G school on the biggest stage.

 

The only problem point I see is the assertion that while CTC is coach we can win national championships with who we can bring in from (more or less) between Chicago and Louisville high schools.

 

AAU, the internet, and expanded cable networks have made top 100 kids national spectacles, and the Dukes and Kansas's are huge competition, even in our own backyard. I like Grant Gelon and his ilk as part of a class, but if we overspend our recruiting focus locally, we very well could still lose out on just as many of the local top 100, and have far fewer options when we did.

 

One of CTC's perceived major faults is his local "like him" factor, one of his major strengths is his energy level and work ethic with recrutis no matter where they are. I'm NOT saying that this dynamic is optimum; but I am saying that we should take advantage of his strengths, and not look to magically transform his weaknesses.

Though, as noted before, Grant Gelon is a Duke fan, not an Indiana fan. Do you think if Duke offered we'd beat them out?

 

And if local families want to see their kids play for a B1G school on the biggest stage, why would they send them here instead of OSU, Wisco, MSU, Michigan, or Maryland? And if they just want their kids in the midwest, why here instead of OSU, Wisco, MSU, Michigan, Kansas, Louisville, or Kentucky? We do not have the recent history to hang our hats on that any of those programs do. What do we offer local kids they can't get better somewhere else? And if we can all recognize the local schools are worse outside of the midwest, why wouldn't we go recruit where there is less competition?

[Old Friend 8,389]

Man, someone taking what you say and changing the argument so that they magically win? That must be frustrating.

"Magically win?"   Is that what you're trying to do?  When you tell me I ignore Hollowell, for example, when the reality is I've referenced him specifically dozens of times....nothing magic is going to happen.  What you said was inaccurate.  You can choose whether or not you care; but you were wrong.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

"Magically win?"   Is that what you're trying to do?  When you tell me I ignore Hollowell, for example, when the reality is I've referenced him specifically dozens of times....nothing magic is going to happen.  What you said was inaccurate.  You can choose whether or not you care; but you were wrong.

I did not do that. You're confusing me with someone else.

 

I was referring to someone who took a point about National Championship teams and decided it fit their narrative better if it was about Final Four teams.

[Old Friend 8,389]

Oh yeah, I that's why I can't name a single East Coast basketball school.

 

Oh wait, they didn't move Duke and UNC to another state? Well, UConn, Syracuse, are probably go-- no? Really? Are you guys sure about that?

 

And OSU recruits heavily outside the midwest (I mean, 3 kids from the deep south who aren't named April is crazy high). And let's see how Wisco does without Bo.

Did you even read what I wrote before you posted this?   Step back from the keyboard....just for a minute.   I LOVE how you make arguments about how out-dated I am, then reference how Wisky will do without Bo.   Kind of like how Indiana has done without Knight?   Old, out-dated Knight?  (There is a long story about his demise, too....but my guess is you're not interested)

[Old Friend 8,389]

I did not do that. You're confusing me with someone else.

 

I was referring to someone who took a point about National Championship teams and decided it fit their narrative better if it was about Final Four teams.

I explained that above, too.  Read.  Learn.  Understand.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Did you even read what I wrote before you posted this?   Step back from the keyboard....just for a minute.   I LOVE how you make arguments about how out-dated I am, then reference how Wisky will do without Bo.   Kind of like how Indiana has done without Knight?   Old, out-dated Knight?  (There is a long story about his demise, too....but my guess is you're not interested)

Yes? Did you?

 

I explained that above, too.  Read.  Learn.  Understand.

You... explained how you think I'm the guy who talked about Hollowell up above?

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Did you even read what I wrote before you posted this?   Step back from the keyboard....just for a minute.   I LOVE how you make arguments about how out-dated I am, then reference how Wisky will do without Bo.   Kind of like how Indiana has done without Knight?   Old, out-dated Knight?  (There is a long story about his demise, too....but my guess is you're not interested)

I don't understand your point. Yes? Exactly like how Indiana has done without Knight? That's what happens when strong coaches who are responsible for massive amounts of success leave the program. Do you think Wisconsin will continue to be successful just recruiting local kids after Bo Ryan leaves? Or in order to find success without a great coach they'll need to recruit elsewhere?

[Old Friend 8,389]

I agree with a lot of this: you are NOT saying that an Indiana kid is automatically a good player and/or a leader. You are also clear that an out of state kid can meet and exceed standards. I also agree that we have a recruiting advantage with local families that want to see their kids play for a B1G school on the biggest stage.

 

The only problem point I see is the assertion that while CTC is coach we can win national championships with who we can bring in from (more or less) between Chicago and Louisville high schools.

 

AAU, the internet, and expanded cable networks have made top 100 kids national spectacles, and the Dukes and Kansas's are huge competition, even in our own backyard. I like Grant Gelon and his ilk as part of a class, but if we overspend our recruiting focus locally, we very well could still lose out on just as many of the local top 100, and have far fewer options when we did.

 

One of CTC's perceived major faults is his local "like him" factor, one of his major strengths is his energy level and work ethic with recrutis no matter where they are. I'm NOT saying that this dynamic is optimum; but I am saying that we should take advantage of his strengths, and not look to magically transform his weaknesses.

I will never disagree with anyone who says Crean can't get it done.  If I wasn't first on that bandwagon, I had a good seat.

 

But...when he got here, he said he took the job "because it's Indiana."  Indiana Basketball is unique.  It's not just any other school, and shouldn't be.  People who live in the midwest understand the culture of Indiana Basketball because it's been around them for 100 years.  Same as football at Ohio State or baseball at Mississippi State.  It just is what it is.  Ohio State football, for example, has always prioritized getting the best players from the state of Ohio.  Yes, they go out and get others too; just as Indiana should.  But they don't hire a guy because he knows California and the recruits there, like Indiana hired a guy because he has east coast ties.  

 

Crean made what almost amounted to a conscious decision to spread out and recruit nationally.  Davis did the same thing, and we lost out on a TON of great players close to home because we didn't prioritize them.  That's fact.  Conley and Oden, for example, said they were never recruited very hard by Mike Davis.  Think of that for a second...  Crean has a difficult job in some ways because of the culture of AAU basketball and shoe contracts, etc.  But the reality is, if he drew a circle with its epicenter in Bloomington and went 200 miles in every direction, keeping his focus (which is different than "getting every kid") there, Indiana would be just fine, and I promise could finish at least as well as we have while focusing on kids from the east coast.   Oladipo is a great example of a kid we should try to emulate with ANY recruit, no matter where they're from.

[Old Friend 8,389]

I don't understand your point. Yes? Exactly like how Indiana has done without Knight? That's what happens when strong coaches who are responsible for massive amounts of success leave the program. Do you think Wisconsin will continue to be successful just recruiting local kids after Bo Ryan leaves? Or in order to find success without a great coach they'll need to recruit elsewhere?

I don't think Wisconsin has to change one thing about the way they recruit if they hire a coach who has a system similar to Ryan's or one who focuses on Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa like Ryan does.  Just like I don't think Indiana needed to change the way THEY recruited when they fired Knight.  And yeah, I know they hired the wrong coach, but he also screwed up the recruiting base in the local area.    You're the one that told me my argument is out dated and that doing things like Knight did won't work.  Except Ryan and Izzo both do things exactly like Knight did.   Honestly?  The more I read what you're writing, the more you agree with me.  You just don't know you do.   You seem to think I mean we never need kids from anywhere else; which is why I said you are creating an argument.    Like I said....stop.  Step back, and breathe for a second.  We're not that far apart.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

I don't think Wisconsin has to change one thing about the way they recruit if they hire a coach who has a system similar to Ryan's or one who focuses on Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa like Ryan does.  Just like I don't think Indiana needed to change the way THEY recruited when they fired Knight.  And yeah, I know they hired the wrong coach, but he also screwed up the recruiting base in the local area.    You're the one that told me my argument is out dated and that doing things like Knight did won't work.  Except Ryan and Izzo both do things exactly like Knight did.   Honestly?  The more I read what you're writing, the more you agree with me.  You just don't know you do.   You seem to think I mean we never need kids from anywhere else; which is why I said you are creating an argument.    Like I said....stop.  Step back.  And breathe.  We're not that far apart.

Did he screw up the recruiting base or did we not have to change anything? Aren't those contrary statements?

 

And, hopefully, Wisco doesn't change their recruiting strategy so you can see firsthand the problem with trying to recruit locally for a nationwide game.

 

Where do I agree with you exactly? I'll happily concede points and don't need to step away. Being able to calmly discuss things with people who inexplicably believe they have a leg to stand on without providing any evidence to support their points and dodging around things they can't handle is literally my job.

 

So, please, lay out your plan for us to be "fine" only recruiting the midwest. Which recruits do you think we would get that we didn't? Why do you think that for each recruit? How much effort did the staff put into the recruits? Why or why not did the recruit choose to attend the school they chose? You can limit it just to a few years if it would help you. I'm fascinated to find out what we would be doing for a big man this year.

[Stuhoo 81,072]

I will never disagree with anyone who says Crean can't get it done.  If I wasn't first on that bandwagon, I had a good seat.

 

But...when he got here, he said he took the job "because it's Indiana."  Indiana Basketball is unique.  It's not just any other school, and shouldn't be.  People who live in the midwest understand the culture of Indiana Basketball because it's been around them for 100 years.  Same as football at Ohio State or baseball at Mississippi State.  It just is what it is.  Ohio State football, for example, has always prioritized getting the best players from the state of Ohio.  Yes, they go out and get others too; just as Indiana should.  But they don't hire a guy because he knows California and the recruits there, like Indiana hired a guy because he has east coast ties.  

 

Crean made what almost amounted to a conscious decision to spread out and recruit nationally.  Davis did the same thing, and we lost out on a TON of great players close to home because we didn't prioritize them.  That's fact.  Conley and Oden, for example, said they were never recruited very hard by Mike Davis.  Think of that for a second...  Crean has a difficult job in some ways because of the culture of AAU basketball and shoe contracts, etc.  But the reality is, if he drew a circle with its epicenter in Bloomington and went 200 miles in every direction, keeping his focus (which is different than "getting every kid") there, Indiana would be just fine, and I promise could finish at least as well as we have while focusing on kids from the east coast.   Oladipo is a great example of a kid we should try to emulate with ANY recruit, no matter where they're from.

 

I didn't say that "Crean can't get it done". In fact, if the injury gods are kind, I have a sneaking optimistic hunch that he can get a lot done this coming season. A Lot.

 

Just said that like many, Crean has his strengths and his weaknesses, and that he should play to his strengths.

[ThompsonHoosier 3,414]

Just write a book people!

[sirhoosierlot 2,787]

Just write a book people!

You write a book.