OT: Scoring in college basketball

[JSHoosier 20,768]

All you have to do is out score the other team.  No where in the rule book does it say you have to score 80+.  That's all the idiot casual fan wants to see, but the beauty in the game isn't just about how many points are scored.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Every bucket you do not allow the other team to score is worth twice as much.

[incrediboy 928]

Just two cents from a guy who's loved watching basketball for well over fifty years....

 

Honestly I don't care whether the score is 48-47 or 98-97...a basketball fan will find the game entertaining if both teams are "bringing it." What I'm seeing in all this tweaking is an attempt to appeal to those who aren't really basketball fans, and in my opinion that's just wrong. I found the "Harryin' Hoosiers" of Knight's first couple of years as entertaining as Crean's "let's play faster" approach (the quality of defense, of course, is a factor in that). Shot clock at 30 or 35 is really no issue either way to me...I don't think it will make any major difference other than in the final minute we might see more teams looking for 2-for-1 possessions, something college basketball rarely sees for whatever reason (always seemed stupid to me NOT to put up ANY shot with 45-50 seconds left in a half knowing you'd get the ball back).

 

I've said this elsewhere, but I wish that darn arc would just go away. Charging is charging no matter where it occurs, and if the defensive man can establish position under the basket, the driver should find a way to avoid that path, either by changing his shot or dishing to someone else.

 

"Flopping" should be a technical foul. Let's get Hollywood off the court and PLAY BALL!

[FindEndNow 198]

Basketball is meant to be played up and down. If I'm and "idiot casual fan" than so is Jim Calhoun. It's all about getting buckets. People have forgotten that.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

I don't know about casual fan, but I've long thought Jim Calhoun was an idiot.

[FindEndNow 198]

Jim Calhoun is a basketball genius. Basketball is meant to put points on the board. You wanna see low scoring games then watch baseball or hockey or soccer.

[JSHoosier 20,768]

Basketball is meant to be played up and down. If I'm and "idiot casual fan" than so is Jim Calhoun. It's all about getting buckets. People have forgotten that.

Actually it's just about out scoring your opponent, it doesn't matter if you score 50 or 150 you only have to score more than the other team.  From there it's simply a matter of opinion, give me hard nosed aggressive defense and patient offense that works for the best shot.

 

I just don't see more fouls being called ending up the way you seem to think.  I see it ending with more stoppages and even less flow than there is now, the casual fans that drool over how high a player can jump and just want to see scoring through the roof won't like that because the game will constantly get stopped with foul calls.  You'll end up with offensive players initiating contact to draw a foul call even more than they do now.  Let the kids play instead of calling a ticky tack foul every time a defender breathed too close.  You want up and down, don't stop the game for even the slightest touch.

[FindEndNow 198]

I think they just need to get rid of the charge/block call completely. Don't worry about the arc. Getting rid of it just caters the CBB game too much towards defense. The college game is already the worst basketball product in the world(has nothing to do with money but what is actually happening on the court). And it is a coaches league so I think that's one reason it had taken so long to lower the shot clock. College coaches want 100% control and often over coach.

[FindEndNow 198]

It is kind of a process. You have to do it over a few years. And it has to happen in the HS game as well. Kids have to learn how to actually play defense. Especially if they want to be in the NBA. Refs have to call fouls. They should be calling ALL of them. That is their job. A player should never have his hands on another player. A player should never have a forearm in the back of another player. It isn't a contact sport. It is a skill sport built on the concept of putting a ball in a hoop.

[JSHoosier 20,768]

There is A LOT more to the game than just offense.  I don't want to see defense become an after thought because the rules won't let them do anything.  Bob Knight is one of the greatest minds the game has ever seen, with few if any equals, and his approach was a hard nosed defense and an offense that worked for the best shot and he won a lot with his approach; just shows that there is more than one way to play the game.

 

Refs will never, absolutely never, call everything.  They're human.  I don't care if a player hand checks some or puts their forearm in a player that has their back to the basket, you can do those things and still move your feet to stay in front, toughen up and play through it instead of wanting to get bailed out.  I will never be on board with a proposal that makes the game 100% offense, and that is what you're proposing.  It's a casual fan mindset, and I couldn't possibly care less what the casual fan wants; I would say they need to actually learn the game and maybe they'll start to see the beauty in it.

 

There is nothing wrong with some physicality.

[Hovadipo 57,404]

The "no defense is played in the NBA" argument is severely misinformed and, frankly, ignorant.

[KingPG21 6,587]

The college game is already the worst basketball product in the world.

AAU basketball is pretty horrible. I agree college basketball has definitely declined, but it isn't the worst in the world

[FindEndNow 198]

There isn't a problem with done physicality. But there is too much. It's ridiculous. And no I'm not a casual fan. I'm just someone that has studied the game and know what it is about. It is about scoring. The game is meant to go up and down. The less possessions there are in a game the lower amount of error you have. Bobby never had a problem with getting up and down the court. I'm he wasn't running any insane offenses. He just let his players play the game. The 76 team averaged like 17 turnovers a game even. They weren't worried about. They were good and scored the basketball. You want to play defense but scoring can be considered a part of defense. How the CBB game is now just isn't how basketball is meant to be played. It is ugly and embarrassing. In the 80's when Bird and Magic were going at it.. do you think they worried about defense? Absolutely not. They couldn't have cared less. And people loved it right? People say basketball was better back then. So what changed?

[FindEndNow 198]

You have to look at the leagues above HS. It is the worst. It easily has the worst product on the floor. When you compare it to college ball overseas m, the NBA or Euro League... it's bad. No clue why. I'm sure AAU coaching has a big part in that. I feel like players are coddled for whatever reason. I don't get a 30 second shot clock. The rest of the world plays with 24. I'd like to think that American kids can play with a 24 second shot clock if the kids in Canada and overseas can. But I feel that's more of the NBA and NCAA needing to finally work together instead of against each other.

[FindEndNow 198]

Yea I've never understood that. Watch the All-Star game and see what it looks like with no defense. NBA players are very good defensively. The refs actually call hand checking. There are amazing athletes at every position. You gotta play defense or you won't have a job.

[HoosierD 504]

It is kind of a process. You have to do it over a few years. And it has to happen in the HS game as well. Kids have to learn how to actually play defense. Especially if they want to be in the NBA. Refs have to call fouls. They should be calling ALL of them. That is their job. A player should never have his hands on another player. A player should never have a forearm in the back of another player. It isn't a contact sport. It is a skill sport built on the concept of putting a ball in a hoop.

I think it is absolutely a contact sport, for it to not be the players would never come into contact with one another. Baseball is not a contact sport. Basketball is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.

[FindEndNow 198]

Basketball is not a contact sport. Meaning hand checking and done pushing isn't a part of the game. CBB is not basketball. Just a generic rough version of it. Change is NEEDED.

[KB0 827]

Basketball is not a contact sport. Meaning hand checking and done pushing isn't a part of the game. CBB is not basketball. Just a generic rough version of it. Change is NEEDED.

 

Basketball is a contact sport. Does it need to be cleaned up because it is overly physical? Absolutely. But it is still a contact sport. 

[HoosierD 504]

Basketball is not a contact sport. Meaning hand checking and done pushing isn't a part of the game. CBB is not basketball. Just a generic rough version of it. Change is NEEDED.

It is 100% a contact sport. You can make contact when playing the game and it not be a foul. That is a contact sport. There is meant to be contact when playing basketball. Yes some games are hard to watch bc they are so physical, but it is much easier to get through those games than it is to watch a free throw contest.

[FindEndNow 198]

Basketball is a contact sport. Does it need to be cleaned up because it is overly physical? Absolutely. But it is still a contact sport.

right now basketball is a contact sport. But it isn't supposed to be.