Not say crean is bad coach just questioning some of his choice

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,682]

I hope Crean goes to another school and kicks IU's ass just to see SC's reaction

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,682]

I never want to see IU get beat under any circumstance. Such is a true fan of a team and a university.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

When you make a horrible decision that keeps you from making the right decision because of $ that keeps you from making that decision; you need to go. It's not like he's actually coaching the team, but the buyout keeps him from firing Crean. He's riding the dead horse since he has no other option unless he wants to look worse than he already has. Dead man walking either way. Plus, his position is a dime a dozen. His legacy will always be the Crean extension no matter what he does moving forward. Also, what top basketball coach would want to work for him knowing his tight relationship with Crean? Look at Michigan; the AD goes and they get their man. Our situation is very similar.

 

If he manages to keep his job and brings in a coach that hangs a NC banner I don't think many people will be remembering him signing off on Crean's extension.  Also, a coach who knows his boss will be loyal to him?  Yeah, I would hate working for a guy like that.  What coach wouldn't want to work for an AD that will throw a boatload of money at him and support him.  What would his loyalty to Crean have to do with the next coach?  I agree with some of the stuff you say about Crean but when you make absurd comments like this it just invalidates the good you do say.  We get it, you hate Crean and Glass and want both stoned outside Cook Hall.
 

[TheStillman 991]

Lol neither was Glass.

Glass was definitely qualified. He put together the entire deal to build Lucas Oil so that Indianapolis could keep the Colts and eventually host the Super Bowl.

I really don't think that Glass is tied to Crean and the analogy to Michigan is weak. The Dave Brandon situation had as much if not more to do with the issue with that player who clearly got a concussion which was followed by Brandon and Hoke lying about it for a day then admitting the lie.

Buy-outs like Crean has are the norm in big time athletics. Crean's is not outlandish for other coaches at this level who have had success. Keep in mind at that time just a year earlier Crean had to release a video denying interest in the Michigan State job when Izzo nearly left for the Cavs. So he was a sought after coach and after 2011-12 it was time to renegotiate as any AD would with any coach. All this is to say that it was not a ridiculous business deal for IU to make with Crean even though it has become a rallying cry for those whose hindsight is 20-20 that Glass is somehow incompetent at his job.

[schoosier 3,717]

If he manages to keep his job and brings in a coach that hangs a NC banner I don't think many people will be remembering him signing off on Crean's extension.  Also, a coach who knows his boss will be loyal to him?  Yeah, I would hate working for a guy like that.  What coach wouldn't want to work for an AD that will throw a boatload of money at him and support him.  What would his loyalty to Crean have to do with the next coach?  I agree with some of the stuff you say about Crean but when you make absurd comments like this it just invalidates the good you do say.  We get it, you hate Crean and Glass and want both stoned outside Cook Hall.

Now, because I think both should be out I am a hater and want them stoned. Nope, just want them gone.

[jmsgws 2,181]

 So he was a sought after coach and after 2011-12 it was time to renegotiate as any AD would with any coach. All this is to say that it was not a ridiculous business deal for IU to make with Crean even though it has become a rallying cry for those whose hindsight is 20-20 that Glass is somehow incompetent at his job.

I like Fred Glass, I think he has done a really good job with IU athletics as a whole.  but I believe you are mistaken on the Crean extension.  Crean was not even close to needing an extension on his contract.  He had a nine year contract before Glass even started.  

I do think the extension was a mistake, I think he did get caught up in the bright lights of some success, and it caused him to make a mistake on the new contract.  

 

[GloryDays 6,190]

I like Fred Glass, I think he has done a really good job with IU athletics as a whole.  but I believe you are mistaken on the Crean extension.  Crean was not even close to needing an extension on his contract.  He had a nine year contract before Glass even started.  

I do think the extension was a mistake, I think he did get caught up in the bright lights of some success, and it caused him to make a mistake on the new contract.  

 

  I agree.

I really thought it was odd when they announced before a game in public.I don't know that I've ever seen that done.

The Wat shot season before and the lofty preseason ranking had everyone excited.Hindsight's 20-20 but it sure looks like he jumped the gun.

 Overall he's been good for the program and one mistake shouldn't drag him down unless he's determined to go down with the ship. Then he should go too.

[TheStillman 991]

I like Fred Glass, I think he has done a really good job with IU athletics as a whole. but I believe you are mistaken on the Crean extension. Crean was not even close to needing an extension on his contract. He had a nine year contract before Glass even started.

I do think the extension was a mistake, I think he did get caught up in the bright lights of some success, and it caused him to make a mistake on the new contract.

At the time of the extension in 2012-13 Crean was signed through 2018-19. As you said the program was in the midst of big success. It seems simple in hindsight to say that Glass should have told Crean no and moved on but it really is not. Crean had a lot of leverage and he had a simple negotiating point that to take the next step as he's recruiting 2014, 2015 and 2016 guys he needs a contract to point to players that he will be around and he has the full support of the University.

It is simple to look back now and say it was a mistake but at that moment in time any AD in the country would have made that deal.

[BGleas 8,949]

I agree with your general sentiment that Crean had a lot of leverage and the program was at a peak and everyone thought it would remain there, but at the same time it seems (from the outside) Glass really got worked over in the negotiations. It's a mistake in any negotiation to just give up whatever the other party wants because you like them and you think they have the leverage.

I don't think Tom Crean was going to walk away from IU at that time, even if Glass pushed back harder on the buyout levels. Again, I have no clue what really happened, but the perception from outside IMO is that Glass got caught up the "program resurrection" wave and basically handed Crean a blank check. No matter what leverage Crean had, that's a mistake.

At the time of the extension in 2012-13 Crean was signed through 2018-19. As you said the program was in the midst of big success. It seems simple in hindsight to say that Glass should have told Crean no and moved on but it really is not. Crean had a lot of leverage and he had a simple negotiating point that to take the next step as he's recruiting 2014, 2015 and 2016 guys he needs a contract to point to players that he will be around and he has the full support of the University.
It is simple to look back now and say it was a mistake but at that moment in time any AD in the country would have made that deal.

[Beowulf50 816]

His subs definitely seem predetermined and he has to consult the magical index cards to see what they say.

I wish I had a nickel for every time I wondered why a particular lineup was on the floor.

I agree JS, I don't understand it. Just like i don't understate my son coming into a game and scoring five points right off the bat and getting two nice assists in the first quarter but then not playing the rest of the game. Let's go by the cards and not the situation.

[8bucks 7,395]

I agree with your general sentiment that Crean had a lot of leverage and the program was at a peak and everyone thought it would remain there, but at the same time it seems (from the outside) Glass really got worked over in the negotiations. It's a mistake in any negotiation to just give up whatever the other party wants because you like them and you think they have the leverage.

I don't think Tom Crean was going to walk away from IU at that time, even if Glass pushed back harder on the buyout levels. Again, I have no clue what really happened, but the perception from outside IMO is that Glass got caught up the "program resurrection" wave and basically handed Crean a blank check. No matter what leverage Crean had, that's a mistake.

I agree. Always wondered how this fits with the concept that contracts mean something.

[FKfootball 1,046]

The thing is, this would be a good year for a coaching change.

[ctown2grhoosier 380]

I agree JS, I don't understand it. Just like i don't understate my son coming into a game and scoring five points right off the bat and getting two nice assists in the first quarter but then not playing the rest of the game. Let's go by the cards and not the situation.

I can't remember which game it was but I remember Max being in the game and hitting a 3 then getting a steal, starting a fast break, and made a beautiful pass to Collin for an And 1. Then BAM he pulled him out. I just remember looking at my dad and saying what the hell? 2 great plays then right to the bench. Completely takes the kid out of his zone.

[FKfootball 1,046]

Guys, Crean is lost. He has to look at cards to know who he has on his bench. Hes not very intelligent imo. Hes the average Joe that fell into great jobs. The kind of thing that we wished would happen to us. I'm not afraid to admit that I epitomize an average Joe.

[TheStillman 991]

Guys, Crean is lost. He has to look at cards to know who he has on his bench. Hes not very intelligent imo. Hes the average Joe that fell into great jobs. The kind of thing that we wished would happen to us. I'm not afraid to admit that I epitomize an average Joe.

Disagree with the guy and his style/results/etc, but Crean definitely worked his ass off and exhibits intelligence to have the career he's had. It may not be up to the level we define is needed to coach Indiana University but the dude is successful for a reason.

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,682]

Disagree with the guy and his style/results/etc, but Crean definitely worked his ass off and exhibits intelligence to have the career he's had. It may not be up to the level we define is needed to coach Indiana University but the dude is successful for a reason.

he's a hard worker, I'll grant him that. I hate to use the oft used analogy but it fits here. He's the best "used car" salesman on the lot, intelligence wise. He's also a good politician. He is also a caring, devoted guy. What he is not, is a basketball savant.

[FKfootball 1,046]

he's a hard worker, I'll grant him that. I hate to use the oft used analogy but it fits here. He's the best "used car" salesman on the lot, intelligence wise. He's also a good politician. He is also a caring, devoted guy. What he is not, is a basketball savant.

Agreed.

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

Yep, we just need to get used to it or move on.

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,682]

I think the results over the past 6 years are pretty indicative of what we can expect going forward. Not bad, but not great.

[GloryDays 6,190]

I think the results over the past 6 years are pretty indicative of what we can expect going forward. Not bad, but not great.

  I would agree but i think the momentum has shifted to the down side and if a couple keys decide to leave it could crash.