Uspshoosier Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 https://cleaningtheglass.com/the-midrange-debate/Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mdn82 1 Quote
LIHoosier Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 I think this is missing one: Lounge. I thought Louisville played its games at "Trixie's Lounge." Because the Yum Center isn't already a creepy enough name.Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk southsidehoosier 1 Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 I will be releasing my Top 25 either Tomorrow or Monday. Could be an interesting year. And looking at how teams are across the nation, Indiana could be in good shape just because of the national landscape. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
RatpigHoosier Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 https://cleaningtheglass.com/the-midrange-debate/Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersThis is interesting to me. I, for one, am a proponent of shooting the midrange shot when it’s open. 100 years ago I was recruited by Grinnell College in IA. In speaking with Coach Arsenault at the time, he told me unequivocally that he wanted at least 50% of the shots taken to be 3s. I have to admit that as a teenager who could shoot I loved the idea of that. However, like fine gruel my opinions have aged. Now looking back on that conversation I am really turned off by that philosophy as defense wasn’t a real emphasis. I didn’t end up playing there but I loosely followed their program and don’t remember them winning a whole lot in that era. Grinnell is the school that had the guard go for 138 in a game in the last 10 years or so. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app mdn82, thebigweave and Alford Bailey 3 Quote
mdn82 Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 This is interesting to me. I, for one, am a proponent of shooting the midrange shot when it’s open. 100 years ago I was recruited by Grinnell College in IA. In speaking with Coach Arsenault at the time, he told me unequivocally that he wanted at least 50% of the shots taken to be 3s. I have to admit that as a teenager who could shoot I loved the idea of that. However, like fine gruel my opinions have aged. Now looking back on that conversation I am really turned off by that philosophy as defense wasn’t a real emphasis. I didn’t end up playing there but I loosely followed their program and don’t remember them winning a whole lot in that era. Grinnell is the school that had the guard go for 138 in a game in the last 10 years or so. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appYep this has been my argument as well. I know what analytics say, but I am having my team take the best available shot 100/100 times. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app IUsafety and RatpigHoosier 2 Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 Yep this has been my argument as well. I know what analytics say, but I am having my team take the best available shot 100/100 times. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appTeams now make it to where the game plan is that the 3 is the best shot available. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Hollywood Mike Miranda 1 Quote
mdn82 Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 Teams now make it to where the game plan is that the 3 is the best shot available. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appNo thanks Joe. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave and mamasa 2 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 Teams now make it to where the game plan is that the 3 is the best shot available. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appGood shooting teams make it to where the game plan is the 3 pointer is their best available shot. So much more goes into a game plan then simply saying let’s hunt 3 point shots. Teams game plan is going to depend on each coaches philosophy. Wouldn’t make sense for a team ranked 347th in 3 pt rate to be bombing 3’s are making a game plan that revolves around the 3-pt line. That’s a recipe for disaster. That was the case for Kentucky a couple years ago. As they continued bombing 3’s and losing games it was clear the 3pt line was a weakness. Once they played to their strength, PJ Washington down low and Alexander and Knox driving and slashing they began winning more games. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave and mdn82 2 Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 No thanks Joe. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appYou may not like it, but that’s today’s game. Which has actually helped advance the game as players have become more versatile. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
Hollywood Mike Miranda Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said: Hmmm, I think it would be more accurate to say "changed" instead of "advance" the game. I'd argue that players aren't more versatile, just more willing/capable to take 3 pointers.....but have sacrificed other aspects of their game as a result. Net result? Different, but not necessarily "better". More Euro style and not pretty to watch at times. You seriously don't think players in today's game are more versatile?? Quote
Stromboli Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said: Meh, I'm sure to some degree, but on the whole? Not really. Is a 6'10" guy that can hoist threes but never goes into the lane "more versatile" than a big man of years gone by that can score in the paint but never shot beyond 12'? Of course everyone wants to be Kevin Durant, but they aren't. Versatile is having a well-rounded skill set, not just trading one skill for another. Big men without post moves or Guards that can't make an entry pass to the anyone that can't hit a FT aren't versatile in my opinion, no matter what other NBA-friendly skills they might possess. That's just bad fundamentals. Even if players are more versatile today, what is the result? Do you think basketball (at any level) is better then 20, 25, or 30 yrs ago? I don't. I'm not as old as that statement makes me sound :) Quote
woodenshoemanHoosierfan Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 I agree with him on thisSent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Quote
mdn82 Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 You may not like it, but that’s today’s game. Which has actually helped advance the game as players have become more versatile. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appThanks for educating me Joe. Let me know which game plan you were a part of that said a 3 is always the best shot available. I want to check that box score. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave 1 Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 Thanks for educating me Joe. Let me know which game plan you were a part of that said a 3 is always the best shot available. I want to check that box score. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appI was never part of one. The most successful teams I was on we ran strictly motion outside of one play because my dad was such a huge fan of Bobby Knight. But if you ask a guy like Mike D’Antoni, he is a guy who is going to shoot a lot of 3’s and on purpose. It’s his goal to shoot a lot. Stan Van Gundy’s gameplan in Orlando was layup or 3 and it was successful for a little bit. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
Uspshoosier Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 Nova at USC tonight in a charity exhibition game It’s on the PAC 12 network Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mamasa and thebigweave 2 Quote
mdn82 Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 I was never part of one. The most successful teams I was on we ran strictly motion outside of one play because my dad was such a huge fan of Bobby Knight. But if you ask a guy like Mike D’Antoni, he is a guy who is going to shoot a lot of 3’s and on purpose. It’s his goal to shoot a lot. Stan Van Gundy’s gameplan in Orlando was layup or 3 and it was successful for a little bit. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appAgain, using the most extreme example to prove a point. We are not going to play at a D’Antoni level in college. So no, we are not game planning at IU a 3 is our best shot available every time down the floor. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave 1 Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 Again, using the most extreme example to prove a point. We are not going to play at a D’Antoni level in college. So no, we are not game planning at IU a 3 is our best shot available every time down the floor. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appWho said Indiana was ever going to do that?Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
mdn82 Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 Who said Indiana was ever going to do that? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Teams now make it to where the game plan is that the 3 is the best shot available. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app This has been your stance. This isn’t the first time you have said this. Joe, agree to disagree on many things. There is no point in rehashing this discussion. I have no ambitions of arguing any points you are trying to make. I can’t keep up with your craziness unless I am on acid. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app woodenshoemanHoosierfan and RatpigHoosier 2 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 Nova at USC tonight in a charity exhibition game It’s on the PAC 12 network Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners USC won. Nova was without Gillisepie and Antoine(he could be our awhile) Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted October 19, 2019 Posted October 19, 2019 This has been your stance. This isn’t the first time you have said this. Joe, agree to disagree on many things. There is no point in rehashing this discussion. I have no ambitions of arguing any points you are trying to make. I can’t keep up with your craziness unless I am on acid. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Did I say all teams do it? No. You just like to put words in my mouth so you can disagree. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Hollywood Mike Miranda and cappymo14 2 Quote
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