College Bball Thread

[HoosierHoops1]

40 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Staying close to home won’t win us a title. Being like Wisconsin won’t make this fan base happy. Having the success of Kentucky, Duke, Kansas or UNC will. Wanting to be like Wisconsin is settling.


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Recruiting the midwest (which is staying close to home) is a huge part of our Championship history. We may have had a player here and there outside that footprint, but certainly not many.

Just a couple questions: How often does a final 4 not include a player from indiana? How often does UNC, Duke, Kentucky win a title without a Hoosier?

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Unless you believe we can get better players / results at Indiana than Wisconsin.  Which I do.   Even if we didn't?  (The discussion I am referring to was when Bo Ryan was there, not now.  So let's make sure we get the reference right.)
Ryan coached at Wisconsin for 14 full seasons.  Here's all he did there :
* Never finished lower than 4th in the Big Ten
* Won 4 conference titles in 14 seasons
* Went to 7 Sweet 16's in 14 seasons
*  Went to 3 Elite 8's and 2 Final Fours in 14 seasons
* Won 73% of his games while coaching at Wisconsin
*  Really didn't recruit players much further away than Chicago.  Staying close to home and going further out for selected kids only has been a formula for success for MSU as well.  They currently have one active player outside the states of Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio.   
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think most people here would "settle" for that.   You can go root for Kentucky if you want to.  That's not Indiana's culture, nor is it something Archie would do well; and I have no interest in it BEING Indiana's culture.   Being in the conversation and being in position to win are all anyone can ask for.    Kentucky won a couple under Pitino....with experienced teams. and has won one under Calipari.  Yeah..they're in the conversation every year, which is exactly what I'm saying.   Kansas won a bad conference for years and had plenty of success, but they too won just one title.  They were "in the conversation" every season which again....is what I want for Indiana.   Tell me how that's settling, again?  I'm not sure I follow.  
If your bar is "winning the NCAA Tournament," that's ridiculous.  Sorry..it is.  Do you believe the best 4 teams made the Final Four this season?  It takes so much to win a tournament like this...   First, a team has to stay healthy; which as we've seen is no small feat.  Then you line up everything else...    Wisconsin, Kansas, Kentucky....they were under Ryan/are in the conversation every season.    Indiana gets there?  I think our fans would be just fine.   And they would not think they were "settling."

Great post and logic. Logic isn't allowed on here

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[Stuhoo]

 

My two cents, which applies to numerous threads:

• Most posters here have largely reasonable expectations which are largely based in logic and the information they have.
• A few posters, some of them very vocal, have unreasonable expectations, and are frequently lacking in logic.
• Those outliers should have a voice too, but those 'squeaky wheels' often attract way more attention than our vast majority of sane, logical posters.
• Logic is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Alford Bailey]

Not sure if its been mentioned but Texas Tech has  no players on its roster that were ESPN top 100 recruits.

[Joe DeLow]

Recruiting the midwest (which is staying close to home) is a huge part of our Championship history. We may have had a player here and there outside that footprint, but certainly not many.
Just a couple questions: How often does a final 4 not include a player from indiana? How often does UNC, Duke, Kentucky win a title without a Hoosier?

When was the last time IU won a title? How many players were alive? How many had even started preschool the last time Indiana went to a Final Four? Go after Indiana kids that are good enough. Outside of that, get the best of the best.


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[Bailey7878]

Not sure if its been mentioned but Texas Tech has  no players on its roster that were ESPN top 100 recruits.

Amazing what a stud coach can do.

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[Napleshoosier]

What the hell am I going to do now until October


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Drink a lot ! [emoji848]


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[Uspshoosier]

Not sure if its been mentioned but Texas Tech has  no players on its roster that were ESPN top 100 recruits.

No one healthy. Kahvon Moore is 54 in 2018 but he has been injured


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[Hillsdale87]

Not sure if its been mentioned but Texas Tech has  no players on its roster that were ESPN top 100 recruits.

Pretty crazy that Culver was around 300. Anunoby made some sense even though he was clearly under-ranked. But he was very raw. Culver is both extremely athletic and polished


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[Uspshoosier]

Pretty crazy that Culver was around 300. Anunoby made some sense even though he was clearly under-ranked. But he was very raw. Culver is both extremely athletic and polished


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Zaire Smith was ranked around Culver as well and he turned into 1St round pick last year


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[LamarCheeks]

Whether you love or hate Michigan State, this is pretty cool. ... Can't wait to see Assembly Hall filled to welcome Archie and the boys back at 12:30 a.m. after we win a region final ... 
 

 

[DChoosier]

28 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Not sure if its been mentioned but Texas Tech has  no players on its roster that were ESPN top 100 recruits.

That is really amazinging/admirable/cool.

I have not looked in 5 or 6 years but do know that at one point something like 22/23 championship teams in a row had at least one burger boy (the lone exception, at that time, was the 2002 MD team that beat IU). Going to the FF without a single healthy top 100 is quite an achievement.

[Joe DeLow]

That is really amazinging/admirable/cool.
I have not looked in 5 or 6 years but do know that at one point something like 22/23 championship teams in a row had at least one burger boy (the lone exception, at that time, was the 2002 MD team that beat IU). Going to the FF without a single healthy top 100 is quite an achievement.

I think UConn did it in 2014.


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[HoosierHoops1]

58 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

When was the last time IU won a title? How many players were alive? How many had even started preschool the last time Indiana went to a Final Four? Go after Indiana kids that are good enough. Outside of that, get the best of the best.


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Check into it. You might find it parallels when we stopped a midwest focus.

[Joe DeLow]

Check into it. You might find it parallels when we stopped a midwest focus.

So Knight stopped his Midwest focus in the late 80’s?


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[DChoosier]

23 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

I think UConn did it in 2014.


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Could be. Like I said I haven’t looked in 5 or 6 or so years. The starting point was around when IU won in 1981 (which was right around when burger boys started) and 3/5 of our starters on that team were burger boys.

In any case, TT making the FF without a single healthy top 100 player is quite an achievement.

 

[HoosierHoops1]

6 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

So Knight stopped his Midwest focus in the late 80’s?


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Again, it's not just about a title, it's about being in position for a title run, regularly, and some breaks along the way.

75 in position with an injured player, 76 title, 81 title, 84 elite 8, 87 title, 92 final 4, 93 #1 team with injury, Patterson, Miller etc group was next in line but failed, 02 final game with mostly Knights roster, then lost focus, then lost culture.

 

[Bailey7878]

Not sure if its been mentioned but Texas Tech has  no players on its roster that were ESPN top 100 recruits.

Yep but they also have an incredible coach. This run would never happen with even a good coach. He is an elite coach so it happened.

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[Bailey7878]

Yep but they also have an incredible coach. This run would never happen with even a good coach. He is an elite coach so it happened.

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Plus he had grad transfers and junior college guys so they have alot of experience

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[Old Friend]

1 hour ago, Joe DeLow said:

When was the last time IU won a title? How many players were alive? How many had even started preschool the last time Indiana went to a Final Four? Go after Indiana kids that are good enough. Outside of that, get the best of the best.


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The best of the best....what?  Players?  Team mates?  Athletes?  Shooters?  

You cannot win by stockpiling talent unless that's what you do every season.  That's not Indiana's culture.  The best basketball players are generally the best team mates.  Not necessarily the best athletes.  If you want the best, most coachable players able to develop, Indiana is well served by staying close to home because there are more than enough kids around here who DO know what Indiana basketball is.   Who gives a sh*t how old they are or what they can remember?   None of them remember the last time Michigan State won a title, either.  (using your words)  Above, someone said "get old, stay old."  That's the formula for consistency and if you think Indiana can just wave a wand and begin their new "Like Kentucky" culture, you're nuts.