College Bball Thread

[Shooter]

5 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I know the arc of champions has always been top 25 for offense and defense, but if you're looking only at defense, it really needs to be more like top 10-15. 

 

The lowest defensive ranking for a national champion was Baylor in 2021, coming in at #22. That was also during Covid, with a shortened season and weird environments, so a slight asterisk there. 

 

The worst defensive rating for a champion was Villanova in 2018, at 94.0, which ranked 11th that year. 

 

National champions usually have a defensive rating in the high 80's/low 90's, which usually ranks in the top 10-15 for that season. 

Are these stats looking at ratings after the season is over, or where the teams stood before the tourney started?

[RaceToTheTop]

35 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Are these stats looking at ratings after the season is over, or where the teams stood before the tourney started?

It’s likely after the season if you are going straight from the KenPom site.

[Uspshoosier]

7 hours ago, LIHoosier said:

Liberty(undefeated in Conference USA) is tied with FIU  with 7:30 to go.     Delivering 

[Uspshoosier]

18 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Liberty(undefeated in Conference USA) is tied with FIU  with 7:30 to go.     Delivering 

FIU up 2 with 38 sec to go 

[Uspshoosier]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

FIU up 2 with 38 sec to go 

And FIU just got hit with a F1 foul.  Liberty gets 2 shots and the ball.   Unbelievable 

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

And FIU just got hit with a F1 foul.  Liberty gets 2 shots and the ball.   Unbelievable 

OT

[Uspshoosier]

24 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

OT

Liberty wins it.   FIU missed the last shot 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, Shooter said:

Are these stats looking at ratings after the season is over, or where the teams stood before the tourney started?

After the tourney.  It’s skewed because beating 6 tourney teams is going to boost your ranking. 
 

I looked back using way back machine once and there were quite a few instances where teams weren’t so high entering the tourney 

[HinnyHoosier]

5 hours ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Pretty cool mock selection so far, been following Norlander’s tweets throughout it.

Thanks for that. I went and looked at his feed, its interesting.  

And Indiana comes in at a 9 seed in the final bracket. 

[Uspshoosier]

8 hours ago, LIHoosier said:

 

 

[TheWatShot]

So many game winners these days get ruined by officials constantly blowing their whistles and needing to confirm it. Anyone who's ever watched a basketball game knew that was good as it was happening. 

[str8baller]

12 hours ago, Shooter said:

Are these stats looking at ratings after the season is over, or where the teams stood before the tourney started?

I think generally people just use post. Going through the tourney will boost your ratings some but as you can see from IU’s good run here six games won’t vault you up the charts at this point. For reference Illinois blew us (a tourney team) out and their record offense increased by 0.1 points, which *might* be enough to move your offense or defense up a spot, generally. But for example if you’re ranked 29th in Oeff to start, after a 6 tourney run you’d probably make it into the top 25. But those teams that are like 2nd  in Deff and 40th in Oeff generally don’t win titles. There are a few notable exceptions like Ollies UConn team.  
 

Also, someone looked at pre Kenpom numbers (you can get them if you have a subscription) and something like 75% of past champions have entered the tournament ranked 6th or higher.  Which makes sense because while we use top 25 on O/Deff as a rule of thumb, the majority finish top 10 in both. 
 

So if you want to win the tournament you generally 1) have to be really good, and 2) be fairly balanced on both offense and defense.    
 

(I will try and remember to take a screen cap of the Kenpom top 30 or so this year after conference tournaments and we can see how much the winner moves. ) 

[str8baller]

10 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

After the tourney.  It’s skewed because beating 6 tourney teams is going to boost your ranking. 
 

I looked back using way back machine once and there were quite a few instances where teams weren’t so high entering the tourney 

It’s going to depend on how well you played, as well. If you play a bunch of close games you won’t go as high as if you just rip through the tourney. Baylor from a few years back is a good candidate. They probably improved their defense quite a bit over that run. In general I’m guessing a team probably improves each ranking by a spot in the ranking for each game they win on average, with it being easier to improve poor rankings.  
 

If I have time today I will try and go back and look at a few teams that likely improved their ranking the most and see how much they moved. 

[Uspshoosier]

VCU/St Louis tonight.   
massive A-10 game 

[Uspshoosier]

The Journey finally is going to do a segment on IU.  Lamar is getting featured in the next episode.    Wild it’s taking this long for them to do an IU segment this year 

[LIHoosier]

12 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

VCU/St Louis tonight.   
massive A-10 game 

VCU leads by 9 at halftime

[Uspshoosier]

10 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

VCU leads by 9 at halftime

It’s not that close.  VCU has dominated this game 

[Uspshoosier]

40 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

It’s not that close.  VCU has dominated this game 

St Louis on a 17-2 to run.   Now up 7.  VCU really needs this game 

[LIHoosier]

Kerry Rupp 1-0 and a road win to boot. I'm sure Gottlieb will still take all his credit.

[Hovadipo]

18 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

St Louis on a 17-2 to run.   Now up 7.  VCU really needs this game 

Vintage Schertz-team onslaught in this 2nd half. They got some momentum and it was OVER.