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[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

With 9 guys playing on 8 separate teams, strange how many days there have been where none of our guys were scheduled to play.  Tuesday the 24th was another of those days.

[KingPG21 6,593]

So PG made comments about the fans booing the Pacers losing to the Knicks...... and immediately a group of the fan base turned on the guy. I'm a huge PG fan obviously, but I think it is weird how much this city, Indy being the main fan base, seems to love to hate/dislike the best players on their local teams. Go read comments on Luck or PG, and its like they do nothing right, and everything that goes wrong is on them. You can go back and look at comments on Manning when there were questions on whether or not he would ever play again, and he was getting lots of hate. People talk about how bad the Philly fan base is, but I mean Indy sucks at supporting their players and franchises. 

[Brass Cannon 25,470]

4 minutes ago, KingPG21 said:

So PG made comments about the fans booing the Pacers losing to the Knicks...... and immediately a group of the fan base turned on the guy. I'm a huge PG fan obviously, but I think it is weird how much this city, Indy being the main fan base, seems to love to hate/dislike the best players on their local teams. Go read comments on Luck or PG, and its like they do nothing right, and everything that goes wrong is on them. You can go back and look at comments on Manning when there were questions on whether or not he would ever play again, and he was getting lots of hate. People talk about how bad the Philly fan base is, but I mean Indy sucks at supporting their players and franchises. 

I think it just goes with teams that being ran so poorly despite having such a talent. With players like PG and Luck there's no excuse for either team to be as bad as they are. That frustrates fans. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

Big news of the day was Troy recalled by the Grizzlies although he did not play in last night's game.

Gordon was a last minute scratch due to a stiff back.

Good shooting night for Vic and Westbrook with another triple-double.

Cody did not play due to quad contusion.

01.25.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Houston	34-15	Gordon	L	DNP
Oklahoma	27-19	Oladipo	W	35	15	5-11	3-7	2-3	4	2	2	2	1	1	+19
Portland	20-27	VonLeh	W	20	8	4-6	0-0	0-0	10	0	0	0	1	2	+14
Memphis	26-21	Williams	W	DNP
Charlotte	23-23	Zeller	L	DNP
D-LEAGUE
LI Nets	10-18	Ferrell	W	38	20	6-14	3-6	5-6	6	6	1	0	3	2	+18
Mad Ants	16-9	Watford	W	7	1	0-1	0-1	1-2	1	1	3	0	0	1	+5
Mad Ants	16-9	Zeisloft	W	23	15	5-9	5-9	0-0	2	0	0	0	0	2	+16
Raptors 905	19-7	Sheehey	W	20	11	4-9	0-0	3-4	3	2	0	0	3	0	+2

 

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

After a 1- night stand, Troy got sent back to D-League by the Grizzlies.

01.26.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Houston	34-15	Gordon		NG
Oklahoma	28-19	Oladipo	W	36	17	7-14	1-4	2-2	3	3	3	0	2	2	+10
Portland	20-27	VonLeh		NG
Charlotte	23-23	Zeller		NG
D-LEAGUE
LI Nets	10-18	Ferrell		NG
Mad Ants	16-9	Watford		NG
Mad Ants	16-9	Zeisloft		NG
Iowa Energy	6-20	Williams	5	15	12	4-6	1-1	3-4	4	0	1	0	2	1	0
Raptors 905	19-7	Sheehey		NG

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,533]

Soooo.


Enes Kanter breaks forearm after punching bench chair in tonight's game.

Wow.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

Sorry I'm late this morning - no phone, no TV, no internet --  thank you Comcast.

Big news yesterday - Yogi signed a 10-day contract with the Mavericks and hopefully will have the opportunity to demonstrate what he can do.  Also yesterday, Watford went from being a teammate of Z on the Ft. Wayne Mad Ants to being a teammate of Sheehey on the Raptors 905 as he was traded.

Gordon missed another game with a stiff back so Harden just did it all with 51 pts., 13 reb. and 13 assts.

Cody missed another game with a quad contusion.

01.27.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Dallas	16-30	Ferrell		NG
Houston	34-15	Gordon	W	DNP
Oklahoma	28-19	Oladipo		NG
Portland	21-27	VonLeh	W	16	0	0-1	0-0	0-0	3	0	0	0	0	4	+1
Charlotte	23-24	Zeller	L	DNP
D-LEAGUE
Mad Ants	17-9	Zeisloft	W	22	11	4-9	3-6	0-0	2	0	0	0	0	0	+19
Iowa Energy	6-20	Williams		NG
Raptors 905	20-7	Sheehey	W	27	19	6-12	3-8	4-5	4	2	3	0	1	0	+13
Raptors 905	19-7	Watford		DNP

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No phone, no internet, no tv? You go Amish for a night? Welcome back to the world of technology!


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[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

Cody misses another game with a quad contusion.

01.28.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Dallas	16-30	Ferrell		NG
Houston	34-15	Gordon		NG
Oklahoma	28-19	Oladipo		NG
Portland	21-27	VonLeh		NG
Charlotte	23-25	Zeller	L	DNP
D-LEAGUE
Mad Ants	17-10	Zeisloft	L	8	9	3-5	3-4	0-0	0	0	0	0	1	4	-1
Iowa Energy	6-20	Williams	W	12	4	0-5	0-4	4-4	4	0	0	0	1	1	+7
Raptors 905	21-7	Sheehey	W	DNP
Raptors 905	21-7	Watford	W	DNP

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

What a great way for Yogi to start is career with the Mavericks.

Gordon returned to the lineup after missing 2 games with a stiff back.

No D-League  games for IU guys.

01.29.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Dallas	17-30	Ferrell	W	36	9	3-9	1-4	2-2	2	7	2	0	0	3	+11
Houston	34-16	Gordon	L	26	14	4-11	1-7	5-7	1	3	0	1	2	4	-17
Oklahoma	28-20	Oladipo	L	38	17	6-18	1-4	4-5	7	4	0	0	1	3	-7
Portland	21-28	VonLeh	W	18	4	2-4	0-0	0-0	5	1	1	0	2	2	-16
Charlotte	23-25	Zeller		NG

[Hovadipo 61,527]

Went to the Pacers game last night. Indy still loves it some Eric Gordon. PG dominated.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

Yogi was the only IU guy with a game last night, but what a game it was as the Mavs stuck it to King James.  Absolutely awesome start for Yogi as a Mav and he's already been signed to a second 10-day contract.

01.30.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Dallas	18-30	Ferrell	W	38	19	7-15	3-6	2-2	5	3	4	0	2	2	+10

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

Cody MIA in another game with a quad contusion.

Will's second consecutive DNP game.  I don't follow the D-League closely enough to know if he's injured or it's a coach decision.

CWat's first game with the Raptors 905

01.31.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Dallas	18-30	Ferrell		NG
Houston	35-16	Gordon	W	28	17	7-15	3-10	0-0	5	1	0	0	1	1	+21
Oklahoma	28-21	Oladipo	L	32	15	5-12	1-3	4-4	4	1	4	1	1	0	-8
Portland	22-28	VonLeh	W	20	4	2-9	0-0	0-0	10	0	0	0	1	4	0
Charlotte	23-26	Zeller	L	DNP
D-LEAGUE
Mad Ants	17-10	Zeisloft		NG
Iowa Energy	6-20	Williams		NG
Raptors 905	22-7	Sheehey	W	DNP
Raptors 905	22-7	Watford	W	16	0	0-5	0-4	0-0	1	1	0	1	1	2	-7

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

Not a great shooting night for Yogi, but he did have 5 assists and only 2 TO's in 38 minutes and the Mavs are on a 3-game winning streak since they put him in their starting line-up.

Cody out again with injury.

No D-League games for IU guys.

02.01.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Dallas	19-30	Ferrell	W	38	11	3-13	0-4	5-5	3	5	1	1	2	2	+2
Houston	35-16	Gordon		NG
Oklahoma	28-22	Oladipo	L	25	12	5-14	1-6	1-1	5	0	1	0	1	5	-14
Portland	22-28	VonLeh		NG
Charlotte	23-27	Zeller	L	DNP

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

Gordon's shooting touch has been in a mild slump.

02.02.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Dallas	19-30	Ferrell		NG
Houston	36-17	Gordon	L	30	13	4-14	2-10	3-4	3	3	1	0	1	3	-11
Oklahoma	28-22	Oladipo		NG
Portland	22-28	VonLeh		NG
Charlotte	23-27	Zeller		NG
D-LEAGUE
Mad Ants	18-10	Zeisloft	W	18	9	3-5	3-5	0-0	2	0	0	0	0	2	+14
Iowa Energy	7-20	Williams		NG
Raptors 905	22-7	Sheehey		NG
Raptors 905	22-7	Watford		NG

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,274]

YOGI

Gordon regained his shooting touch; Vic lost his but Westbrook covered for him with yet another triple-double

VonLeh getting starting assignments but not getting starter minutes.

02.03.17	Season W/L		W/L	Min.	Pts.	FG's	3's	FT's	Reb	Asst	Stls	Blks	TO's	PF	+ / -
Dallas	20-30	Ferrell	W	39	32	11-17	9-11	1-2	2	5	0	0	2	4	+3
Houston	37-17	Gordon	W	34	21	8-17	5-10	0-0	1	4	0	1	3	1	+16
Oklahoma	29-22	Oladipo	W	35	7	3-14	1-5	0-0	3	3	2	0	0	4	+9
Portland	22-29	VonLeh	L	7	4	2-3	0-0	0-2	3	0	0	0	0	0	-15
Charlotte	23-27	Zeller		NG
D-LEAGUE
Mad Ants	18-10	Zeisloft		NG
Iowa Energy	7-21	Williams	L	10	4	2-7	0-2	0-1	3	0	2	0	2	4	-4
Raptors 905	22-7	Sheehey		NG
Raptors 905	22-7	Watford		NG

 

 

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Note: I used 247Sports for this. Their database only goes back to 2003.

So in my research from HS classes 2003(LeBron James) to 2015, there are 75 players that are in the NBA who were ranked outside the Top 100. That doesn't include those were weren't ranked at all. There are 450(?) NBA players. Almost 17% of NBA players are in that category. There are 78 who were in the top ten of their recruiting classes(like our own Eric Gordon who was #1 and Cody Zeller who was #10). Just over 17% of NBA players come from that. There are 146 I think who not ranked, too old for the database or came from overseas. That's about 32.5%.
The real reason I researched it was because of people saying that "rankings mean nothing" or "they are never accurate" or pointing to a guy like Oladipo and saying that rankings don't matter. But they seem to matter quite a bit. If each year the rankings reach to 500(which 247 can get to 1000). There are 75 who were outside the Top 100 and let's say they were all in the top 500(even though a guy like Patty Mills was actually outside the Top 1000). Since 2003 there would have been 5,200 athletes ranked from 101-500. Basically saying there is a 1.4% chance of reaching the NBA from that spot. The Top Ten has had 130 players. So a 60% chance.
Those numbers will rise and fall but that's where they are at the moment. So rankings do matter in the gran scheme of things and are fairly accurate in the long run.


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[Dalton26 17,208]

Come on X you aren't that tricky.

[Uspshoosier 54,554]

Note: I used 247Sports for this. Their database only goes back to 2003.

So in my research from HS classes 2003(LeBron James) to 2015, there are 75 players that are in the NBA who were ranked outside the Top 100. That doesn't include those were weren't ranked at all. There are 450(?) NBA players. Almost 17% of NBA players are in that category. There are 78 who were in the top ten of their recruiting classes(like our own Eric Gordon who was #1 and Cody Zeller who was #10). Just over 17% of NBA players come from that. There are 146 I think who not ranked, too old for the database or came from overseas. That's about 32.5%.
The real reason I researched it was because of people saying that "rankings mean nothing" or "they are never accurate" or pointing to a guy like Oladipo and saying that rankings don't matter. But they seem to matter quite a bit. If each year the rankings reach to 500(which 247 can get to 1000). There are 75 who were outside the Top 100 and let's say they were all in the top 500(even though a guy like Patty Mills was actually outside the Top 1000). Since 2003 there would have been 5,200 athletes ranked from 101-500. Basically saying there is a 1.4% chance of reaching the NBA from that spot. The Top Ten has had 130 players. So a 60% chance.
Those numbers will rise and fall but that's where they are at the moment. So rankings do matter in the gran scheme of things and are fairly accurate in the long run.


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All that shows is rankings mean something if you care about results getting to the NBA. When I view rankings I only view them as it is specific to the college game and in my opinion they don't mean as much to me as others in here. There will always be people on each side of this argument until the end of time (me on one end and Wayne on the other lol). There is no right answer


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,533]

I agree with you rankings aren't the end all be all in the 30-200 range.

For example, I like Justin Smith and Clifton Moore better than Jordan Tucker.

I also agree about College success and NCAA success are different. Of Note. Ben Simmons and Noah Vonleh.

I DO think 5 star players in general are VERY good and getting multiple players like that will make you a winner in NCAA with all other things being equal.

Last thought. Landing primary or secondary targets has always been important to me and I think it reflects on "our/your" program. We start off offering 5 stars, then 4 stars, then 3, then UR. To me, public perception of that is that our staffs recruiting assessments often mirror the corporate ratings. Also, when you miss down the line it's a bad look.


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