A program of excuses

[mdn82 25,765]

You will have to ask the man who said it.

 

Why is it an excuse?  Hell, I would have said the same thing and I am a homer.  That is called reasoning.  Very different.  There is like 6 schools that it doesn't matter you are, you go there.  That is reasoning.  

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="schoosier" post="61622" timestamp="1398181859"]I'm as alive as the best, most knowlegeable fanbase in college basketball. When 17,000 others see it in person is justification. Keep polishing that turd.[/quote] And, as if this wasn't clear to me already, you have officially promoted yourself to the leader of the irrational fans who chose to boo 18-22 year old kids. Congratulations, you really showed them. I bet they really benefitted from you putting all the blame on them. Because booing them really did a great job of placing blame on Crean. Booing did so much to help our program, and it especially helped us secure a commitment from Cunningham who was sitting behind the bench at that game. But I'm sure you'll put all blame on Crean if we don't land him too.


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[HoosierD 504]

[quote name="schoosier" post="61645" timestamp="1398184340"]Probably not but after 2 years in the program I have yet to see Hanner hit many shots period. What you will see imo is very tight man to man with an emphasis on help side defense in the post. The tight man to man out front will take our shooters out and the helpside d will neutralize the driving abilities of Troy and Stan. Unless we plan on throwing a lot of alley oops which Crean has no history of doing much of any here, I just don't see how Hanner will help us in the paint other than rebounding. We will also likely see a lot of triangle and twos where Yogi and JB get chased and 3 other defenders play zone. This limits the amount of driving by Troy and Stan and you give them any shot. Plus, normally rebounding would be a concern in this defense unless you consider how small we will be next year.[/quote]

Can't guard guys like yogi and JB too tight or they go by you and hit pull ups. Don't have to throw oops if the guy steps over. Pretty sure Stan and Troy have shown plenty of capability to drop off a little pass to Hanner and I'm pretty sure he can finish a dunk. All I'm saying is what you said about a shooter being no different than a lottery big as far as offense goes just isn't smart. Plus it's not just one shooter it's multiple shooters coming in.


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[8bucks 6,878]

[quote name="Baltimore Hoosier" post="61601" timestamp="1398179793"]Let's see... JBJ is a program changing talent. Robert Johnson looks like he's ready to contribute right away too. Troy Williams is going to have a breakout year, and Yogi is Yogi. One of, if not the best PG in the country.I don't think the post is going to have to do much but rebound and block some shots. With the firepower on the wings, i have a feeling thats where most of the scoring will come from.

I feel like a broken record....If you aren't excited, at least more so than last season, something is wrong. This is a tournament team. If I'm wrong, then maybe you Hoosier Doomsday Prepers are right, but I think the program will be back on track in 2014-15. [/quote]

I think you ask a good question. Am I more excited about this season than I was before last season. In order to answer I have to jump back a year before we played a game and I am pretty sure there was more enthusiasm then than I have now.

Why? We were coming off a season where at times we were the best team in the country and we had the highly ranked 2012 class plus the additions of another McD big and the 13 class to take over.

I felt we may have some bumps but by the end of the year we should be a top 20-30 team.

Going into next year I am not as optimistic as I was last year before we played a game. I do think we will be better than the year we finished so perhaps that is the confidence you mention.

Just being better than last year though is not enough to warrant enthusiasm. I do think we can get to the top 20-30 level with this team so perhaps at best I have the same enthusiasm as last year


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[CampHoosier 3,697]

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[NotTheReal HoosierHoopster 67]

Most of Indiana's problems are self inflicted. Every decision they have made since Knight's dismissal has been the wrong one. Meanwhile, Louisville Kentucky, Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Butler and Michigan have all become superior basketball programs than ours. It's sad but true and on the shoulders of the leaders at Indiana University

[Hutch89 2,946]

Somebody get all these people some candy stripes! all this grovelling...
I could use a pair too, come to think of it. :clapping:

[mdn82 25,765]

Most of Indiana's problems are self inflicted. Every decision they have made since Knight's dismissal has been the wrong one. Meanwhile, Louisville Kentucky, Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Butler and Michigan have all become superior basketball programs than ours. It's sad but true and on the shoulders of the leaders at Indiana University

Every decision has been the wrong one?  Lol, dramatic much?  You do realize as those teams sit today that every team on that list (Butler minus Stevens) is what they were 15 years ago?  Outside of UW.  Their program is better.  The rest?  MSU was a title contender.  UK was a title contender.  UL was just becoming a title contender.  OSU was usually around the Sweet 16 to Final Four every couple of years.  UM would have stretches of 2 years then fall back into oblivion.  Butler without Stevens is a mid-major.  Now UW.  They have improved.  Those other schools?  They are the same as are we to when Knight was leaving.  We won the B1G outright.  You guys act like we were winning titles the day he left.  It was over 10 years before he left.  We were typically getting bounced early.  This year was a bad year.  No way around that.  Every team has them.  I know it is easy to forget history, but lets not ignore it either. 

[schoosier 3,610]

But you have zero proof that says his players don't respond well to the accountability. Plenty of players have thrived and grown under Crean. DWade still asks CTC for advice. Oladipo and Zeller have been back to Btown to see CTC because they respect him and his insight. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

Let's see. The only players to my limited knowledge Crean held accountable were Jeremy and Hanner. Jeremy needed to get his head straight, was suspended, and responded well? So much so he transferred. Hanner was held accountable for an on campus drinking and driving and held out the huge sum of 2 games. Would you say he responded well also? Do you have proof Zeller and VO specifically came back to Bloomington because they respect Creans insight, or could it be that both wanted see friends or girls and now have the means to do just about anything they want?

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Most of Indiana's problems are self inflicted. Every decision they have made since Knight's dismissal has been the wrong one. Meanwhile, Louisville Kentucky, Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Butler and Michigan have all become superior basketball programs than ours. It's sad but true and on the shoulders of the leaders at Indiana University

 

They weren't superior when we beat Wiscsonsin, MSU, and Michigan for the BIG title 2 years ago. Step back from the ledge just a few inches. I wonder if we would have beaten Syracuse but lost in the next round people would still be this pissy. 

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Let's see. The only players to my limited knowledge Crean held accountable were Jeremy and Hanner. Jeremy needed to get his head straight, was suspended, and responded well? So much so he transferred. Hanner was held accountable for an on campus drinking and driving and held out the huge sum of 2 games. Would you say he responded well also? Do you have proof Zeller and VO specifically came back to Bloomington because they respect Creans insight, or could it be that both wanted see friends or girls and now have the means to do just about anything they want?

 

Do you have anything to back up anything you say? Honestly. A head case who didn't play hard left IU. VO and Zeller love Crean and respect him. Just read any interview with either of them. Or you know, watch the end of the IU-UM game when VO cried in Crean's arms.  That says it all. I'm mad at Crean as well, but you have completely gone off the deep end here. 

[schoosier 3,610]

And, as if this wasn't clear to me already, you have officially promoted yourself to the leader of the irrational fans who chose to boo 18-22 year old kids. Congratulations, you really showed them. I bet they really benefitted from you putting all the blame on them. Because booing them really did a great job of placing blame on Crean. Booing did so much to help our program, and it especially helped us secure a commitment from Cunningham who was sitting behind the bench at that game. But I'm sure you'll put all blame on Crean if we don't land him too. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

Not one fan booed our players so you are categorically incorrect in saying that. Unless your master substitution coach instituted a policy this year where the players subbed themselves. If this would have happened I have no doubt they would have done a better job then Crean. Your last few statements proves my thread as you are already making excuses why we didn't land Cunningham and to my kniwledge he hasn't chosen a school yet. Recruiting misses our the fans fault; I've heard everything now.

[BlueDevil 9,255]

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[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

Has it occurred to anybody that all of this "lack of accountability" is just another form of "coach speak"... Do people actually expect coaches to reflect publicly on their deficiencies and short comings? That just wouldn't be good for anyone. The program or themselves. You don't think behind closed doors Crean doesn't know when he f***s up? You don't think he works to improve that? You don't think he recognizes when he misses on the recruiting trail?

 

Crean and the staff knows more than any of us what is ACTUALLY wrong with the team/program. They're not going to air all of that in the media. 

[TheStillman 991]

Not one fan booed our players so you are categorically incorrect in saying that. Unless your master substitution coach instituted a policy this year where the players subbed themselves. If this would have happened I have no doubt they would have done a better job then Crean. Your last few statements proves my thread as you are already making excuses why we didn't land Cunningham and to my kniwledge he hasn't chosen a school yet. Recruiting misses our the fans fault; I've heard everything now.

 

When a player is put in a game and the fans boo it does not matter if it was directed at coach.  The player knows they are booing because the he is in the game, which I'm sure is very encouraging and makes the player want to stick around to play for these fans.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Not one fan booed our players so you are categorically incorrect in saying that. Unless your master substitution coach instituted a policy this year where the players subbed themselves. If this would have happened I have no doubt they would have done a better job then Crean. Your last few statements proves my thread as you are already making excuses why we didn't land Cunningham and to my kniwledge he hasn't chosen a school yet. Recruiting misses our the fans fault; I've heard everything now.

 

 

 

You are categorically making that up.  You have no idea what all those people booing had going on in their minds. You also don't know how the players felt when they got on the court and the booing started. You've been saying all sorts of crap on here, this one might just be at the bottom of the sewer.

[schoosier 3,610]

Can't guard guys like yogi and JB too tight or they go by you and hit pull ups. Don't have to throw oops if the guy steps over. Pretty sure Stan and Troy have shown plenty of capability to drop off a little pass to Hanner and I'm pretty sure he can finish a dunk. All I'm saying is what you said about a shooter being no different than a lottery big as far as offense goes just isn't smart. Plus it's not just one shooter it's multiple shooters coming in. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I haven't seen JB play so hard for me to know his game other than highlights. Our entry passes to the post have been terrible in the Crean years, so saying both Troy and Stan can do this is a stretch. Its also a stretch to say Hanner can finish based on 2 years of watching him play. I just made a comment based on how I think teams will play us next year if we have great shooters.

[TheStillman 991]

Has it occurred to anybody that all of this "lack of accountability" is just another form of "coach speak"... Do people actually expect coaches to reflect publicly on their deficiencies and short comings? That just wouldn't be good for anyone. The program or themselves. You don't think behind closed doors Crean doesn't know when he f***s up? You don't think he works to improve that? You don't think he recognizes when he misses on the recruiting trail?

 

Crean and the staff knows more than any of us what is ACTUALLY wrong with the team/program. They're not going to air all of that in the media. 

 

BINGO.  Really do not understand what people want from Crean and Glass.  You ask them to give some answers as to why all this is happening and in the same breath you say no more excuses.  If they would have a big press conference with answers on why all this is happening you'd say they're just making excuses.

[JSHoosier 21,413]

They weren't superior when we beat Wiscsonsin, MSU, and Michigan for the BIG title 2 years ago. Step back from the ledge just a few inches. I wonder if we would have beaten Syracuse but lost in the next round people would still be this pissy. 

These head to head comparisons don't mean much.  We beat UL, MSU and Duke in the same year when Mike Davis was coach.

[mdn82 25,765]

BINGO.  Really do not understand what people want from Crean and Glass.  You ask them to give some answers as to why all this is happening and in the same breath you say no more excuses.  If they would have a big press conference with answers on why all this is happening you'd say there just making excuses.

No matter what he would do he would be losing.  He is doing the best thing he can do and that is to stay silent.  100% agree there.