Wrong decision years ago?

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="AJmoye" post="49134" timestamp="1395070533"]It's great to see Alford having huge success and UCLA but it hurts to think we couldn't have made that hire post-Sampson. He's a Hoosier at heart and he can obviously succeed with big programs, how the boosters at the university didn't make that happen and turned their back on Mr Hoosier himself absolutely stumps me and makes me think "IU people" weren't behind the final decision...


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Huge success? Getting a little ahead of ourselves, eh?


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[ebridges24 2,453]

Steve has one of the most talented teams in the country. They should have easily been a top 10 team all year and weren't. I've watched them 6 times this year and they've looked really good sometimes and terrible at other times. Kinda like some other teams i've watched.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Steve Alford just signed a contract. Why would UCLA let him go 1st of all and 2nd of all why would we want to buyout another contract while settling on Crean's contract? It's not rocket science. 

[KingPG21 6,587]

Steve Alford just signed a contract. Why would UCLA let him go 1st of all and 2nd of all why would we want to buyout another contract while settling on Crean's contract? It's not rocket science. 

It was mentioned earlier that with the buyouts we'd be at 24 million without ever signing a contract. Alford isn't going to happen any time soon with that kind of money, also I'm going to reiterate he has been at UCLA for one year with another coach's recruits. Based on these standards Mike Davis was a super star coach after coaching at IU for 2 years. I hate the double standard some people are giving Alford because he played here. 

[schoosier 3,645]

Alford has a lot more baggage than Sampson did. Trust me, he wasa great player but the decsions he has made in his coaching career have been shady at best. Not what you want for a program who was slapped with sanctions 6 years ago

I know Steve made mistakes with the Pierce situation. I'm not aware of any NCAA transgressions from any of his programs let alone lying to investigators. What baggage are you referring to that would put him in the same league as sampson?

[Myrmidon76 614]

Just spare yourselves the nonsense of dealing with coulda,woulda,shoulda's. I had no issue with the hiring of Crean. The man did bring us back from nowhere. That being said...I think his best job has been just that...bringing us back. I just don't see a scenario where IU is top 10-15 year in, year out with Crean at the helm. We have far too much tape out there about how to beat us and very little tape on how we can adapt/adjust. As well, I will say I am sick and tired of junk defenses from supposed 5 star talent rosters. If they are that good...why can't they play man? As much as folks were distressed about our lack of offense this year, my concern has been the predictable defense we have exhibited since 2010. Lets make some changes, lets hope Crean takes this heat as a chance to learn and grow and become the top coach we are told he is.

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

Wow, some thought put into a post. A negative thought with a good solution. Excellent post!

Obviously what he was doing this year wasn't working. The coach needs to reflect on what he can do better in the next few weeks and then get to work correcting those things.


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[CottageGrove 563]

I know Steve made mistakes with the Pierce situation. I'm not aware of any NCAA transgressions from any of his programs let alone lying to investigators. What baggage are you referring to that would put him in the same league as sampson?

 

IMO the way he handled the Pierce situation is significantly worse than anything Sampson did in regards to NCAA rules.

[schoosier 3,645]

IMO the way he handled the Pierce situation is significantly worse than anything Sampson did in regards to NCAA rules.

So the one that has kept Sampson out of college coaching until November 2013(5 year show clause) isn't as bads as Alfords resulting in no ban? Both institutions are governed by the same entity so let's just say they felt much different.

[KingPG21 6,587]

So the one that has kept Sampson out of college coaching until November 2013(5 year show clause) isn't as bads as Alfords resulting in no ban? Both institutions are governed by the same entity so let's just say they felt much different.

Well Sampson's was breaking the NCAA's rules. The NCAA doesn't govern how a coach handles a sexual assault case. In terms of breaking the rules Sampson's is worse. But in terms of actually being a decent human being there is no question that what Alford did is worse

[CottageGrove 563]

So the one that has kept Sampson out of college coaching until November 2013(5 year show clause) isn't as bads as Alfords resulting in no ban? Both institutions are governed by the same entity so let's just say they felt much different.

 

Some things are more important than show causes and phone calls. And I could care less how the NCAA felt about it - his handling of a guy accused of sexual assault and his role in the whole thing was worse. Much worse.

[EvilleAngler 636]

Someone's moral compass seems to be off....

[schoosier 3,645]

Well Sampson's was breaking the NCAA's rules. The NCAA doesn't govern how a coach handles a sexual assault case. In terms of breaking the rules Sampson's is worse. But in terms of actually being a decent human being there is no question that what Alford did is worse

Wow, broke the rule of being a decent human being. Sure kept him from landing jobs at UNM amd now Westwood. Are they just as bad as him?

[schoosier 3,645]

Some things are more important than show causes and phone calls. And I could care less how the NCAA felt about it - his handling of a guy accused of sexual assault and his role in the whole thing was worse. Much worse.

I believe he has apologized for his mistakes in the handling of he Pierce case. Can coaches make mistakes and be forgiven or does he need to be burned at the stake?

[schoosier 3,645]

Someone's moral compass seems to be off....

Do you know most of these high profile coaches contracts have morality clauses? How would you feel if your professional occupational contract had one but you didn't know what it was or how it could be broken? Then your boss said your moral compass seems to be off. Rather vague yet pretty damning wouldn't you agree?

[CottageGrove 563]

I believe he has apologized for his mistakes in the handling of he Pierce case. Can coaches make mistakes and be forgiven or does he need to be burned at the stake?

 

Yes, he apologized, most likely at the direction of UCLA's AD. And it was last year, around 10 years after it happened. And the week before he apologized he basically said that he did nothing wrong in the case. So why did it take him 10 years to do so? Also, read the article. He apologized for defending his player. He didn't apologize for the role he played in trying to quiet the victim in the first place. The article also does a nice job of summing up how he acted in the report done by the University and with a quote from the prosecutor.

 

http://college-basketball.si.com/2013/04/11/uclas-steve-alford-has-about-face-issues-apology-for-handling-of-pierre-pierce-case/

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="schoosier" post="49576" timestamp="1395142181"]I believe he has apologized for his mistakes in the handling of he Pierce case. Can coaches make mistakes and be forgiven or does he need to be burned at the stake?[/quote]

If that's the case, then we might as well forgive Sampson and not scoff at people who suggest Pearl as a possible future replacement.


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[Jafo71 149]

The whole Bennett talk amuses me. Doesn't anyone recollect that IU fired Kathy Bennett as coach before Davis was dismissed, and it didn't go well. Why would he come here knowing IU canned his sister?

[djsalway 4,161]

This works in this thread. Temple big man Anthony Lee is transferring as a 5th year transfer. Averaged 13.6 ppg. Maybe we go after him?

[schoosier 3,645]

If that's the case, then we might as well forgive Sampson and not scoff at people who suggest Pearl as a possible future replacement. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

I agree to forgive Sampson and for those that want Bruce Pearl here I have no problem with that. It will never happen because of his past NCAA troubles, but he did a good job at Tenn before he lied about junior recruits coming over to his house. Plus for all of our morality police, he went thru a nasty divorce relating to some extra curriculars with coeds allegedly. Certainly that would limit our interest in him by those persons.