What was the point of activating Hanner?

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,319]

Dakich took Crean to task on the broadcast for pulling HMP off suspension after 11 days and saying his BS about "doing everything we've asked of him".

 

Then Hanner only plays 2 minutes.

 

Why put yourself in that position?

[jcummins 15]

I have no words that can explain how I feel about that.  He did something that was very dangerous could have hurt himself and others.  You qualify that statement that is some bs.  It is the reputation of a school here too.  Looks like coach gave a slap on the hand and put him back on the bench.  Share details with us the public let us decide.

[Dalton26 17,207]

He said Hanner is still being punished but if you allow him to go ahead and play is it really punishment?


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[Indymike7 35]

I believe the only reason for the suspension in the first place is because it went public.  I also think that Crean will run him ragged in practice and think that's enough to teach him a lesson.  This makes coach look very bad.  Should have left him on suspension for the rest of the year.  It's not like we are going to win with Hanner on the bench.  Then again, it might help recruiting if coach were to show some leniency.  Plenty of top recruits like to party.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

I think you guys are being to harsh in your criticism. That's just my opinion, everyone has one...

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,319]

I think you guys are being to harsh in your criticism. That's just my opinion, everyone has one...

 

I think it's fair to criticize the suspension length and compare it with standards previously set at IU.

 

However, my larger question was why Crean would even allow himself to be in that situation for a mere 2 minutes of game time from HMP. That doesn't make any sense to me.  

[Str8Hoosiers 2,972]

He said Hanner is still being punished but if you allow him to go ahead and play is it really punishment?


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Yes it is. There are many types of punishment. He doesn't get a lot of minutes anyway so if your only form of punishment is suspended is that really a punishment I ask?

He did a bad thing, made a bad & dangerous decision. Only hope he learns from it... there is still a lot of punishment coming his way from the courts, the team, the coach.... he isn't going to be past this for a while....

I hope this isn't his attitude but what if he was suspended for the rest of the year, not like the team is having a lot of fun/success.... what is he really missing out on... even when he was suspended he was still on the bench with the team....

[mcbain1025 0]

We are not "in the know" so easy to assume best/worst.  I think Crean is probably having him run stairs while watching the team practice. Crean probably figured he was suspended long enough last year for what amounted to a few bumper stickers.  Maybe it was "time-served".

[Buck Naked 451]

The one thing Crean pointed to for the first 3 or 4 years was cleaning up the drugs and grades. Now he lets a guy that was arrested for OWI on the floor after 2 1/2 games. Hypocritical if you ask me. He could have KILLED someone or himself.

We can all disagree on coaching, but the way this program is run we all pretty much agree on. This is wrong. Playing at Indiana is a privilege.


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[Dalton26 17,207]

[quote name="Str8Hoosiers" post="42226" timestamp="1393431834"]Yes it is. There are many types of punishment. He doesn't get a lot of minutes anyway so if your only form of punishment is suspended is that really a punishment I ask?
He did a bad thing, made a bad & dangerous decision. Only hope he learns from it... there is still a lot of punishment coming his way from the courts, the team, the coach.... he isn't going to be past this for a while....
I hope this isn't his attitude but what if he was suspended for the rest of the year, not like the team is having a lot of fun/success.... what is he really missing out on... even when he was suspended he was still on the bench with the team....[/quote]

No where did I say he should only be suspended and nothing else. That makes absolutely no sense and I don't get where you pulled that from.

If he's still being punished "behind the scenes" then he should be punished on all fronts. Telling someone not to do something then letting them still get some of the perks (suiting up and playing) is completely backwards and contradicting.


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[Hwy 1 2,053]

Have any of you guys stopped to think about doing what's best for Hanner instead of worrying about your interpretation of defending the glory of IU? I don't know the answer to what is best for either, but we have a coach to make those decisions. I'm pretty sure he has a firmer grasp on it than anyone on a forum. I'd even bet that he sought advice on handling it from "experts" in the field. Just my opinion but Hanner needs help more than he needs verbal lashings and condemnations from a bunch of internet forum posters. 

[JSHoosier 22,196]

Yes it is. There are many types of punishment. He doesn't get a lot of minutes anyway so if your only form of punishment is suspended is that really a punishment I ask?

He did a bad thing, made a bad & dangerous decision. Only hope he learns from it... there is still a lot of punishment coming his way from the courts, the team, the coach.... he isn't going to be past this for a while....

I hope this isn't his attitude but what if he was suspended for the rest of the year, not like the team is having a lot of fun/success.... what is he really missing out on... even when he was suspended he was still on the bench with the team....

Actually, he didn't even make the trip to Purdue.  So he was on the bench for one of the 2 games he was suspended.  If I was coach he would've been suspended a minimum of 3, with games being so close together this week probably more.

[mamasa 15,929]

In this age of instant communication and open knowledge, people tend to think they're entitled to know every detail of every situation.  Not one of us (other that Doc Libby) knows everything about this.  We don't need to know.  Just because you're a fan, doesn't mean you're privvy to behind-the-scenes information.  Discipline is a subjective term.  Do you want to just discipline him, or help rehabilitate him?  No one here gets to decide the punishment, or the extent of it.  As far as Dakich, he's an attention ***** with an agenda.  I agree with some things, disagree with most.  Not sure, to the OP, why Crean would have done this.  Perhaps, Hanner has a grasp on the severity of what he's done, and is doing what has been asked.  Coach gives him a little leeway to show him there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  It's called positive reinforcement. 

[Ellen Alexander 1]

I should probably let this subject pass. But when I saw Hanner was reinstated I was shocked and disappointed. A similar situation occurred a few years ago with someone I knew. The University took swift, concise actions and I felt (even though the result was not favorable for person I knew) the actions were just. I was proud of IU. Is there a double standard for athletes and non-athletes at Indiana? Before, I would have said no. Now I am not so sure. Is it the University or Crean? There must be many students who face the "offices of the courts" in their misadventures who do not get to keep on with their privileges at IU. I consider it an honor for players to take the court for our team. Now I do not know what actions are being taken. However, after suffering through the Samson era, I surely do not want IU to suffer another blow. All I am asking for equal punishment for the same infractions for every student. Regardless of whether or not they are athletic. 

[Buck Naked 451]

So why are we mad at Samscum for the drugs and failing grades? What about the kids ? Did we ever think of them? Those poor kids.

Look, us old farts may call these guys kids , but Hanner is a 21 years old that knows better. I'm not suggesting cut him lose. He should stay around the team , get him the " help " or whatever the crap that means, and suspend him for the year. But 2 1/ 2 games ? Come on. You can't justify that.


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[mamasa 15,929]

So why are we mad at Samscum for the drugs and failing grades? What about the kids ? Did we ever think of them? Those poor kids.

Look, us old farts may call these guys kids , but Hanner is a 21 years old that knows better. I'm not suggesting cut him lose. He should stay around the team , get him the " help " or whatever the crap that means, and suspend him for the year. But 2 1/ 2 games ? Come on. You can't justify that.


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Because your argument differs than someone elses', it's not justifiable?  And the underlined part says all I need to know about how you'd handle it, or like it handled.

[Buck Naked 451]

This is how I would handle it. This year is a throw away. Hanner is a bit player. Make a stand. Suspend him "until he earns his way back" which would be the rest of the year. Reinstate him at the end of the year sometime. Get him his help or whatever. Make him welcome at all unofficial things, workouts and what not but no dressing out. Keep him around the team. You keep your integrity, Hanner gets his help and serious punishment.

And yes I put yes in quotes. What kind of help does he need. A counselor to say to him "no really don't drink and drive ". He knows better.


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[mamasa 15,929]

[quote name="Buck Naked" post="42259" timestamp="1393440328"]This is how I would handle it. This year is a throw away. Hanner is a bit player. Make a stand. Suspend him "until he earns his way back" which would be the rest of the year. Reinstate him at the end of the year sometime. Get him his help or whatever. Make him welcome at all unofficial things, workouts and what not but no dressing out. Keep him around the team. You keep your integrity, Hanner gets his help and serious punishment.

And yes I put yes in quotes. What kind of help does he need. A counselor to say to him "no really don't drink and drive ". He knows better.


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And that's great! You'd handle your way while I'm ok with the way it's being handled. Differing viewpoints, and I respect that. Just trying to point out that debate is fine until you belittle another's opinion. None of us have to make make this decision :)


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[Buck Naked 451]

[quote name="mamasa" post="42262" timestamp="1393440807"]And that's great! You'd handle your way while I'm ok with the way it's being handled. Differing viewpoints, and I respect that. Just trying to point out that debate is fine until you belittle another's opinion. None of us have to make make this decision :)


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Sorry if I seem to be belittling anyone. Not my intent at all. Just can't see any justification for 2 1/2 games. He could have KILLED someone. But once again , my opinion . No harm intended.


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[mamasa 15,929]

[quote name="Buck Naked" post="42263" timestamp="1393441040"]Sorry if I seem to be belittling anyone. Not my intent at all. Just can't see any justification for 2 1/2 games. He could have KILLED someone. But once again , my opinion . No harm intended.


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Wait a minute! A civil discussion with different opinions that ended with a maturely worded statement? That just can't happen here, lol. No offense taken, hope none caused by me.


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