Devil's Advocate - Tom Crean

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Many have been quick to point out Crean's late game issues and game management techniques. We also are quick to point the finger at him for this team's turnovers and the inbounds issues last night.

We also pile on him for constantly throwing the team under the bus in post game press conferences and never takes much blame for himself...

All that being said, there is just as much chance he is telling the truth as it is that he's telling us all a lie. Just maybe, the players aren't executing his plays which is why they aren't working. Maybe he is 10000x more frustrated with this team than we are with him.

All I'm saying is give it some thought, at some point players would lash out or say something to the fact Crean keeps dogging them when they do what he wants... Instead, the players constantly tell us they didn't execute or follow the game plan.

I think it's important to look at this situation from the other side as well.

NOTE: This thread is for Devil's advocate posts only, if you want to bash Crean and rip into him, do that on one of the 100 other Crean threads! Let's use this to look at things from his point of view. Might give us some better perspective.


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[OliviaPope40 6,640]

The pessimist says, It can't get any worse! The optimist says, "Oh yes it can!

[Rayl 527]

See my avatar.

[JSHoosier 20,513]

No, the players won't "lash out".  They'll do just what they're doing now, "we didn't execute" etc.  They will never say "we looked to coach for guidance, and he had no answer" or "he wants 4 players standing around at any given moment".

[IU Bud 445]

If the players have been the issue, they now have a perfect opportunity to prove everyone wrong. If they have any pride, I expect them to come out and play determined and with a lot of energy. If not, Crean has lost the team. The players aren't responsible for the questionable lineups and momentum killing mass substitutions.

[DocLibby 761]

This is a great lead in to my post which is set to be released tomorrow morning. It'll show my view and where I stand with Coach Crean.


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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="DocLibby" post="38241" timestamp="1392353606"]This is a great lead in to my post which is set to be released tomorrow morning. It'll show my view and where I stand with Coach Crean.


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Looking forward to it. It's always less fun to look at things from his point of view. We can say all we want about his coaching and methods, but he knows this team and players better than anyone else on this planet. He isn't trying to lose games on purpose....


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[Rayl 527]

This is a great lead in to my post which is set to be released tomorrow morning. It'll show my view and where I stand with Coach Crean.


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[DocLibby 761]

[quote name="Rayl" post="38244" timestamp="1392354146"][quote name="DocLibby" post="38241" timestamp="1392353606"]This is a great lead in to my post which is set to be released tomorrow morning. It'll show my view and where I stand with Coach Crean.


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[/quote]hahaha


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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Rayl" post="38244" timestamp="1392354146"][quote name="DocLibby" post="38241" timestamp="1392353606"]This is a great lead in to my post which is set to be released tomorrow morning. It'll show my view and where I stand with Coach Crean.


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Could easily be best gif ever


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[Geometry Hoosier 1,151]

Unless you have a death wish about your playing time, you never lash out about your coach.


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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Geometry Hoosier" post="38276" timestamp="1392363024"]Unless you have a death wish about your playing time, you never lash out about your coach.


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I agree 100%, I just also think players don't hide frustration well. It never appears to me like they are upset with him and you can normally tell that


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[Indymike7 35]

Hey, If it's the players and not coaches fault, there are plenty of other players on the bench. If a starter or rotation guy isn't executing the game plan, I know there are plenty of bench players that will do their best given the chance.  I realize most of the guys on the bench aren't as talented or athletic, but once the talented athletic players posterior gets tired from sitting on the bench it will translate to their brain and the game plan execution will work itself out.  What's the worst that can happen, we lose a couple games, get boo'd during the game?  Oh, that's right, we are seeing plenty of that already.  Wake up Tom Crean and work this thing out for the betterment of the team.  The fans wil get behind you just as quick as they have turned on you. 

 

I went to a Butler game last night and they're down on talent this year, but played hard and the crowd was behind them.  They lost another close game, but the only booing was directed at the referees.  Great atmosphere there and I came away thinking that they are improving and they are a player or two away from being a tournament team again.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Indymike7" post="38311" timestamp="1392386123"]Hey, If it's the players and not coaches fault, there are plenty of other players on the bench. If a starter or rotation guy isn't executing the game plan, I know there are plenty of bench players that will do their best given the chance. I realize most of the guys on the bench aren't as talented or athletic, but once the talented athletic players posterior gets tired from sitting on the bench it will translate to their brain and the game plan execution will work itself out. What's the worst that can happen, we lose a couple games, get boo'd during the game? Oh, that's right, we are seeing plenty of that already. Wake up Tom Crean and work this thing out for the betterment of the team. The fans wil get behind you just as quick as they have turned on you.

I went to a Butler game last night and they're down on talent this year, but played hard and the crowd was behind them. They lost another close game, but the only booing was directed at the referees. Great atmosphere there and I came away thinking that they are improving and they are a player or two away from being a tournament team again.[/quote]

Their fans are also probably more realistic in their expectations. Indiana fans think we should be in the Final Four every year... Those old timers got spoiled before College Basketball started to change.


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[coonhounds 9,321]

Their fans are also probably more realistic in their expectations. Indiana fans think we should be in the Final Four every year... Those old timers got spoiled before College Basketball started to change. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

old timers common. I don't think any would have a problem with a lot of teams records over the past ten years. If u want to suck as bad as this team has and have fan support then don't cramp the bed the rear prior when u had talent.<br /><br />Sent from my SCH-I535 using BtownBanners mobile app<br /><br />

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

old timers common. I don't think any would have a problem with a lot of teams records over the past ten years. If u want to suck as bad as this team has and have fan support then don't cramp the bed the rear prior when u had talent.<br /><br />Sent from my SCH-I535 using BtownBanners mobile app<br /><br />

Lol, you have a lot of auto-correct with that phone?

[coonhounds 9,321]

Lol, you have a lot of auto-correct with that phone?

I know it had me update it a while back and now I cant type lol<br /><br />Sent from my SCH-I535 using BtownBanners mobile app<br /><br />

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I know it had me update it a while back and now I cant type lol<br /><br />Sent from my SCH-I535 using BtownBanners mobile app<br /><br />

Yeah, its a bit of a chore deciphering your posts. Thought maybe you had not wound down your drunk from yesterday.

[bronkonagurski 894]

Their fans are also probably more realistic in their expectations. Indiana fans think we should be in the Final Four every year... Those old timers got spoiled before College Basketball started to change.


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Well Bobby never had IU in the Final Four every year either.  But his teams ran in rather predictable cycles of building towards a championship every 5-6 years until Calbert graduated, after that it kind of fell apart. 

 

Tom's problems are the following, not in any particular order:

• He isn't RMK.
• His first championship caliber team lost in the Sweet 16.  Upsets happen but I'm just speaking from the perspective of the collective fanbase in that the only times RMK had a great team and did not win it, there was at least one key injury.  Scott May in 1975, Alan Henderson in 1993.  The 1992 team got hosed by Ted Valentine but I digress. 
• The Movement turned into a bowl movement.

Honestly as long as this IU team won 20 games and made the NCAA tournament, I don't think you would see as much criticism.  But here we are with a team that is perhaps not even a sure NIT bet at this point.  I think that is a shock to the senses and while it is true not every season can be a great one, to drop back down to this kind of a level after being "back" well people aren't going to handle that very well. 

[coonhounds 9,321]

Well Bobby never had IU in the Final Four every year either. But his teams ran in rather predictable cycles of building towards a championship every 5-6 years until Calbert graduated, after that it kind of fell apart. <br /><br />Tom's problems are the following, not in any particular order:

• <br />
• He isn't RMK.<br />
• His first championship caliber team lost in the Sweet 16. Upsets happen but I'm just speaking from the perspective of the collective fanbase in that the only times RMK had a great team and did not win it, there was at least one key injury. Scott May in 1975, Alan Henderson in 1993. The 1992 team got hosed by Ted Valentine but I digress.<br />
• The Movement turned into a bowl movement.<br />

<br />Honestly as long as this IU team won 20 games and made the NCAA tournament, I don't think you would see as much criticism. But here we are with a team that is perhaps not even a sure NIT bet at this point. I think that is a shock to the senses and while it is true not every season can be a great one, to drop back down to this kind of a level after being "back" well people aren't going to handle that very well.

that is what I was trying to say earlier your way was way better lol<br /><br />Sent from my SCH-I535 using BtownBanners mobile app<br /><br />