Thoughts on Crowd Booing CTC/ Players?

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

What are your thoughts on the crowd Booing the team in the first half when CTC subbed out 4 starters? I was at the game, and I've never seen anything like it. I understand the frustration from fans, but what did you all think of the crowd?

Out of line? Much needed? I don't mind Crean hearing the wrath, but I did feel for the players who checked into the game and got booed. I realize te crowd was booing Crean, but the reason they BOO'd Crean is because those specific players were on the court.

Kind of a catch 22 I suppose, but did you guys have any issue with it?

[BostonCooler 34]

In the end, there is no way to stop mob mentality, but in this case everyone and their brother knew the rotation patterns were not advantageous at certain points.

[JSHoosier 19,871]

Times I've felt like booing:

 

• Crean calling for a zone because he's about the only person that can't see we're bad at it
• Crean taking out our best rebounder with a 50% FT shooter at the line
• Crean having a lineup of Gordon/Davis/Hanner with the game on the line
• Crean sticking with said lineup
• Crean putting in a lineup of Marlin/Howard/Hanner/Etherington
• Every time I've seen our half court offense the last 6 years

Granted, I'm watching from my sofa.  Ok, most of those have been just these past two games (especially NEB), wow this season has been rough.

[Hoosierfan78 13]

Wow...I had no idea that happened. The sad part is that everyone BUT CTC can see how bad our lineup consistency has been this season. I don't think that our own fans booing our coach and team during games is appropriate, I also understand that college basketball fans have changed over the years. It will be interesting to see how this season plays out and how long we are suppose to be happy with sweet 16's. Unfortunately...I do not see getting banner #6 under CTC. Just my opinion...I hope I am wrong.

[HoosierAloha 30,026]

Absolutely childish and shows no class!

 

I understand that if you were the coach we would go 40-0 and have 10 AA on the team.  I wish our fans, and fans of college sports in general, would understand why they root for their teams and not cross that line.  Why did coach have that strange lineup on the floor today?  I have no idea, maybe he was sending a message to certain players.  Maybe he thought Perea was Vonleh and Marlin was Hulls. 

 

I love college sports because I look at the entire picture of the STUDENT-athletes and love to see them develop as young adults as much as I do athletes.  This season has been absolutely bananas but I think the team will reap the rewards of hard work and dedication to their teammates and coaches.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think we should put the best 5 on the floor that gives a chance to win but booing your own team for putting those 5 players on the court?  Get a life! 

[JonO 4]

The boos were not aimed at the players, they were aimed at Crean. Crean has to understand that he has worn out his stay in Bloomington. People are tired of his bizarre player rotations, lack of half-court offense, and inability to use bigs effectively. I don't see any more banners (that mean anything) hung in the CTC era. 

[iu77bu81 2]

While unusual, I thought it was appropriate.  This was momentary, caught the staff's attention, the line-up that had surrendered a 6 pt run was broken up and the crowd returned to it's rowdy cheering mentality even bringing out Speedo-Dude to distract FT shooters late in the game.

[mamasa 15,223]

[quote name="JonO" post="34962" timestamp="1391424178"]The boos were not aimed at the players, they were aimed at Crean. Crean has to understand that he has worn out his stay in Bloomington. People are tired of his bizarre player rotations, lack of half-court offense, and inability to use bigs effectively. I don't see any more banners (that mean anything) hung in the CTC era. [/quote]

Crean has not worn out his welcome by any means. Listen to the crowd when he does his pre-game announcement- they go nuts. The sub patterns are perplexing, but there has to be a reason for them. None of us are privy to practices or strategy meetings. The players he puts in may have played exceptionally well together in practice. He may be putting together rotations for next year. We don't know. I'll agree- sometimes the lineups don't make sense, but to say he has worn out his stay is asinine.


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[mdn82 25,510]

I had no problem with them booing him for it.  For the above, it has nothing to do with us "coaches" going 40-0.  It is the obvious terrible sub patterns.  Stan was the only player that has scored with consistency on the court for that stretch.  My wife who knows nothing about basketball even said, "this doesn't look like it will be good."  You cannot have a lineup with Marlin, Etherington, Howard, and Perea.  There is absolutely no upside to it.  Has nothing to do with 20,000 people being know it alls.  Has to do with logical basketball.  This game is not rocket science.  There are things a college level coach can see above the majority of people.  That wasn't one of them.  For the other statement where it was said he had worn out his welcome.  Yeah, not buying that either.  Not the feeling I have gotten being around there at all.  People just are tired of him over-coaching, and hurting our chances.  They don't want him run out of town.  They want him to slow down. 

[All_Hoosiers 873]

I was yelling at the tv so I'm fine with spotty boos. Crean deserved it. At least he adjusted and did well the rest of the game.

And I certainly hope no one actually believes Crean has "worn out his welcome." Exactly what has he done to warrant that?


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[Scooter D 928]

I too was yelling at the TV, but as the crowd, I was yelling at CTC. I don't beleive that any of us would turn on the kids that don the Cream & Crimson.

I just hope that CTC learned something in that moment. I understand that Yogi, or anyone else for that matter, can't play 40 minues every game, and I also understand that he wants to reward kids for hustling and performing in practice, but even Sean Miller at Arizona only really goes 2 deep on the bench and he had the #1 team until saturday. I am sure that he would love to play all of his kids too, but you got to know who can perform in the game.

[dajwhite 4]

In my opinion, it is never OK for the crowd to boo when our players on are on the court. I don't care if you don't like Coach Crean or not, he is the coach of our fine school and he is facing off against what we would all agree is the fiercest league in the country. There are going to be losses. There are going to be times when the subs don't suit our fancy (players need to rest). Can you imagine what a recruit is thinking as he watches the Hoosiers on national TV and hears the crowd boo because the coach put in certain players? You are fooling yourself if you think that it isn't going to impact that recruit's comfort level with playing before the Hoosier Nation. 

 

If you're booing the Hoosiers, you might as well don the black and gold...

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Scooter D" post="34970" timestamp="1391433784"]I don't beleive that any of us would turn on the kids that don the Cream & Crimson.
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Tell that to this guy :)
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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="dajwhite" post="34971" timestamp="1391433852"]Can you imagine what a recruit is thinking as he watches the Hoosiers on national TV and hears the crowd boo because the coach put in certain players? You are fooling yourself if you think that it isn't going to impact that recruit's comfort level with playing before the Hoosier Nation...[/quote]

They are honestly thinking "SWEET! Coach took out the stars and the crowd booed until he put them back in... They are going to LOVE me in Bloomington!"

This is not a sarcastic response, I seriously think they would think something similar to that lol.


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[All_Hoosiers 873]

Crean needs to sub his stars out right before a TV timeout like he did with Yogi yesterday in the second half. That way, the stars get a rest, but miss minimal game time.


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[dajwhite 4]

They are honestly thinking "SWEET! Coach took out the stars and the crowd booed until he put them back in... They are going to LOVE me in Bloomington!"

This is not a sarcastic response, I seriously think they would think something similar to that lol.
 

 

Until they realize that each one of the players that were on the court when the booing started (i.e. not the "stars") where also the stars of their respective high school and AAU teams. Then it's like the song says: "Back to life…back to reality"

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="dajwhite" post="34975" timestamp="1391436475"]Until they realize that each one of the players that were on the court when the booing started (e.g. not the "stars") where also the stars of their respective high school and AAU teams. Then it's like the song says: "Back to life…back to reality"[/quote]

Valid, but how many high school stars would expect to come to Indiana and ride the bench? Not many I would guess. I'm not arguing your point, I see what you are saying. Just feel the high level recruits wouldn't care because in their minds they'd be the one getting subbed out. Not subbed in.


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[Naturalhoosier 15,407]

I cheer and I boo as I deem accordingly.  If the team, players, coaches, cheerleaders, etc need booed, dammit, I'm going to let them have it.  Period.  It won't hurt their fragile young mindset.

[FortWayneHoosier 6,031]

for some it may be appropriate, others not so much. The problem is when you boo against a lineup change it almost seems as if youre booing the players, because technically youre saying "they arent good enough, get them off the court" or "why is he in?". Also youre saying "coach what are you doing?" It can go both ways

[djsalway 4,161]

When I was watching, I didn't think it had anything to do with Crean or the lineup. Zak Irvin made 2 shots while that lineup was in, and I just figured they were booing the in-state kid that left the state. In my eyes, it wasn't directed at the lineup or the coach.