Can Crean Coach?

[coachmayhew 1,414]

The answer to your question is YES, no further comment is needed.


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[JSHoosier 19,936]

Most talented team, right. Obviously, Mike Davis is a better coach because he made it to the Final Four. 

 

How many guys (not Coach K or someone like that) could have rebuilt this program in the same amount of time as Crean? 

Until these recent Sweet 16s their resumes were very similar.  Now, I'm not saying Davis is as good as Crean.  I at least have some faith that Crean can take us where we should all expect to be, while Mike Davis has no business coaching a high school girls JV team.

[OliviaPope40 6,478]

He can coach but he does too much clapping.

[All_Hoosiers 873]

Until these recent Sweet 16s their resumes were very similar.  Now, I'm not saying Davis is as good as Crean.  I at least have some faith that Crean can take us where we should all expect to be, while Mike Davis has no business coaching a high school girls JV team.

 

We're really gonna compare resumes?

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

He got out-coached by the LIU Brooklyn coach, theres my answer. 

He did?

 

I'm sure LIU-B's coach would trade that distinction for a win.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

He can coach but he does too much clapping.

What's the over/under on allowable clapping? He's not cheering, when he's clapping...

[EvilleAngler 636]

He can coach but he does too much clapping.

some people post too much....

[mdn82 25,510]

To answer the main question, it is yes.  To answer the question I am sure was being implied, he needs to improve.  There is so much more to coaching in the NCAA than just in game.  Usually, he is very solid making adjustments at the half to what the game is giving IU.  LIU-Brooklyn was no different.  They worked inside-out from halftime on.  He is usually better at defensive in game adjustments than offensive in game adjustments.  He is a top 5 recruiter.  He is a great ambassador of academics.  He is great at getting donations for the Athletic Department.  He promotes sports other than Basketball at IU better than any coach I can remember.  In game offensive adjustments, he needs to work on.  I truly feel he trusts his players too much to make the right decisions and sometimes that doesn't happens.  Then, he sticks with them to keep making plays.  When they don't, it makes him look bad.  As a prominent poster used to state (although I truly mean it) he is good at 197 out of 200 things, but we choose to talk about those 3...  

[Ryno6284 2,628]

To answer the main question, it is yes.  To answer the question I am sure was being implied, he needs to improve.  There is so much more to coaching in the NCAA than just in game.  Usually, he is very solid making adjustments at the half to what the game is giving IU.  LIU-Brooklyn was no different.  They worked inside-out from halftime on.  He is usually better at defensive in game adjustments than offensive in game adjustments.  He is a top 5 recruiter.  He is a great ambassador of academics.  He is great at getting donations for the Athletic Department.  He promotes sports other than Basketball at IU better than any coach I can remember.  In game offensive adjustments, he needs to work on.  I truly feel he trusts his players too much to make the right decisions and sometimes that doesn't happens.  Then, he sticks with them to keep making plays.  When they don't, it makes him look bad.  As a prominent poster used to state (although I truly mean it) he is good at 197 out of 200 things, but we choose to talk about those 3...  

I totally agree with his point every time he made it too.  You are only a good as your weakest link.  I think that is why it gets brought up.  The in-game offensive adjustments and the half-court offense in general are glaring weaknesses that I would love to see fixed.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

To answer the main question, it is yes. To answer the question I am sure was being implied, he needs to improve. There is so much more to coaching in the NCAA than just in game. Usually, he is very solid making adjustments at the half to what the game is giving IU. LIU-Brooklyn was no different. They worked inside-out from halftime on. He is usually better at defensive in game adjustments than offensive in game adjustments. He is a top 5 recruiter. He is a great ambassador of academics. He is great at getting donations for the Athletic Department. He promotes sports other than Basketball at IU better than any coach I can remember. In game offensive adjustments, he needs to work on. I truly feel he trusts his players too much to make the right decisions and sometimes that doesn't happens. Then, he sticks with them to keep making plays. When they don't, it makes him look bad. As a prominent poster used to state (although I truly mean it) he is good at 197 out of 200 things, but we choose to talk about those 3...

This thread needed this response about 5 hours ago :). Very well said. I don't think Crean is the greatest Game coach, but he's more than capable of winning a championship. Stop focusing on the weaknesses and think about ALL the positives.

Kelvin Sampson was a pretty good game coach... Had some issues other places...


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[JSHoosier 19,936]

This thread needed this response about 5 hours ago :). Very well said. I don't think Crean is the greatest Game coach, but he's more than capable of winning a championship. Stop focusing on the weaknesses and think about ALL the positives.

Kelvin Sampson was a pretty good game coach... Had some issues other places...


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Why shouldn't we look at negatives?  A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.  By that argument we should only remember Cellvin Samsung as a good in game coach, not that his weaknesses are why the program was blown up.

[IUfan_Charlie 3,867]

I don't think he is bad, I just think he isn't that good either. He needs to improve on some stuff imo. 

[spinksy33 34]

CTC wouldn't be the coach at IU if he couldn't coach. You don't advance in the coaching profession without winning games and he is at one of the top programs in the country. For those that say developing talent isn't coaching, I disagree. Good coaches develop talent and Crean has a resume as good as any as far as that is concerned. To evaluate CTC or any coach on one bad game (Syracuse) where the match ups were awful for us to begin with is short sighted. Coaching involves recruiting, player development, and X's and O's duuring a game. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is Crean is a solid coach in every respect.

[HoosierD 504]

For anyone to say he is a bad coach or even say he's not good is a joke. I can guarantee you he did everything possible to prepare for the Syracuse game. At some point in time the players have to be held accountable. There were some really poor player performances in that game and that cannot be blamed on Crean. They knew where they needed to get the ball, they knew what shots to look for and they didn't execute. We would never win big games if he wasn't a good coach. Every game I have watched for the last 2 years and will be the same this year I think there is at least a chance for a win and that's bc Crean has put the talent together and coached everyone good enough to put them in that position. It's just a matter of whether players execute that night or in rare cases such as 2012 NCAA tourney game there's just that much more talent on the other team. I don't even think you can say he struggles with in-game decisions or coaching a half court offense. Many games have been won by adjustments made or play calls made in the game. And I'm willing to bet he doesn't say stand around and pass around the perimeter for our half court offense, the players just do that. Most teams have a go to motion offense that the coach should not have to call out when a play breaks down or transition offense is stopped. So my answer is yes he is a great program coach (recruiting, represents the university and state well, hypes other IU teams, etc.) and for now he is a good coach bc he lacks a national title. Great coaches win a title and to be a HOF coach you need to win a couple IMO.


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[IUfan_Charlie 3,867]

I'm done dipping my toes in the water that is the debate of Tom Crean's coaching abilities, it's an endless and pointless debate. It accomplishes nothing but starting arguments. 

[All_Hoosiers 873]

For anyone to say he is a bad coach or even say he's not good is a joke. I can guarantee you he did everything possible to prepare for the Syracuse game. At some point in time the players have to be held accountable. There were some really poor player performances in that game and that cannot be blamed on Crean. They knew where they needed to get the ball, they knew what shots to look for and they didn't execute. We would never win big games if he wasn't a good coach. Every game I have watched for the last 2 years and will be the same this year I think there is at least a chance for a win and that's bc Crean has put the talent together and coached everyone good enough to put them in that position. It's just a matter of whether players execute that night or in rare cases such as 2012 NCAA tourney game there's just that much more talent on the other team. I don't even think you can say he struggles with in-game decisions or coaching a half court offense. Many games have been won by adjustments made or play calls made in the game. And I'm willing to bet he doesn't say stand around and pass around the perimeter for our half court offense, the players just do that. Most teams have a go to motion offense that the coach should not have to call out when a play breaks down or transition offense is stopped. So my answer is yes he is a great program coach (recruiting, represents the university and state well, hypes other IU teams, etc.) and for now he is a good coach bc he lacks a national title. Great coaches win a title and to be a HOF coach you need to win a couple IMO.


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I do think the players need to be held more accountable. Jordy was a shell of himself and had no business being on the court. Yogi was also horrendous and shouldn't have seen the court either. Watford wasn't a great athlete by any means and couldn't keep up with his man on defense. Only one who really played well was Oladipo.


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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Why shouldn't we look at negatives? A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. By that argument we should only remember Cellvin Samsung as a good in game coach, not that his weaknesses are why the program was blown up.

I'm not saying don't look at the negatives. I'm saying make sure you balance the negatives with the pros. If you get a 97% on a test you would be pretty happy right? Or would you focus on the 3% you got wrong?

Come on now


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[JSHoosier 19,936]

I'm not saying don't look at the negatives. I'm saying make sure you balance the negatives with the pros. If you get a 97% on a test you would be pretty happy right? Or would you focus on the 3% you got wrong?

Come on now


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I tend to be my own biggest critic, so I focus on what I did wrong.  A chain breaks you focus on the link that broke, not the ones that held.

 

Again I go back to Cellvin Samsung (nope, won't use his actual name).  His weakness wrecked our program, I don't care that he was a good in game coach.

 

Weaknesses need to be improved upon, that's why you focus on them.  Enemies infiltrate your fortress, you want to know where and how so you can improve it.  It will never be perfect, perfection is an unattainable ideal, but you focus on weaknesses to improve them.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

I tend to be my own biggest critic, so I focus on what I did wrong. A chain breaks you focus on the link that broke, not the ones that held.

Again I go back to Cellvin Samsung (nope, won't use his actual name). His weakness wrecked our program, I don't care that he was a good in game coach.

Weaknesses need to be improved upon, that's why you focus on them. Enemies infiltrate your fortress, you want to know where and how so you can improve it. It will never be perfect, perfection is an unattainable ideal, but you focus on weaknesses to improve them.

Two different philosophy's there. I'm more under the focus on your strengths and try to manage your weaknesses. It's much more beneficial to put all that time and effort to improving your strengths than trying to correct a weakness. When it comes down to it, you lose games because your strengths weren't strong enough.


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[All_Hoosiers 873]

No coach is perfect. How many non-legends would you take over Crean?


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