(IUWBB) Jessica Petrie is a HOOSIER

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

[Stuhoo]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

So that’s four starters: Z, Petrie, MM, Beau, 

and a freshman guard to be named as the point?

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/nebraska-transfer-forward-jess-petrie-commits-to-iu-womens-basketball/

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/article/indiana-womens-basketball-transfer-portal-iu-lands-6-2-forward-jessica-petrie-from-nebraska-a-former-australian-national-team-member-281665632/

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Seems like a nice addition. Not building a top end team but a tournament team seems very possible. 

[ronzo4IU]

She could be a really nice player here, and now a couple top flight guards that can light it up would be nice. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

[NatHillIV]

The Nebraska fans seem to think they got the best deal on this trade.  They like Noyan's rebounding.
Petrie had a really good game when we played Nebraska.  They were really good at the time.  Ranked in top 25.
By the time they played IU in the tourney, they were a Big10 #12 seed and Petrie did not start.  Maybe that's why she's here, who knows?  I'm not so sure she will start.
We need a second true center I would think.

[Aaron]

21 minutes ago, NatHillIV said:

The Nebraska fans seem to think they got the best deal on this trade.  They like Noyan's rebounding.
Petrie had a really good game when we played Nebraska.  They were really good at the time.  Ranked in top 25.
By the time they played IU in the tourney, they were a Big10 #12 seed and Petrie did not start.  Maybe that's why she's here, who knows?  I'm not so sure she will start.
We need a second true center I would think.

A backup level one sure as insurance policy. A second true starting level center is not coming here as long as you have Big Z.

You can be worried about her injuries and it’s legit concern. However, once you hitched your wagon to her, no high end post player will consider being an insurance policy.

You can’t play them together and no top center will risk playing 10 min a game if Z is healthy. Its definitely a conundrum, but one you brought her back, you have to accept she is seen as the one who will play the vast majority of minutes in post.

Also, Petrie did not fall off late in season and was in double figures six of last eight games. Every fan base thinks they won with the player they got in portal and only time will tell who is right.

[mickey one]

Edessa was a good rebounder and really reliable shooter going to the hoop in scoring position. But, in terms of creating offense, or showing moxie against good defenses . . . she could seem a bit timid. Against UCLA, for instance, she disappeared.

Agree very much with comment above. With the investment in Z (risky, given injuries), it's impossible to get top-end center, unless you are South Carolina or LSU, who can stack several top players in one position (until they, too, transfer).

[TTT]

Noyan showed significant improvement especially later in year…give or take this was an even swap.

Again unless things change in a positive direction this year in transfer portal IU Ladies will struggle to win 22 games including pre season cup cakes (that would be an improvement but not significant.  Tops out at winning one game in March Madness….or bottoms out at missing tournament.

Other teams are getting some players.  And yes IU Ladies need another big though Zoe Jackson could be a wild card….wild card centers recently have not played in IU Ladies favor.  Another big with Z along with other IU Ladies players would give IU Ladies big ten championship potential combinations and possibilities.  Minutes would be there and Z could play inside forward at times.  Plus Z might be more suited and successful of not playing 36 minutes a game due to injury history that goes back to High School.  
So yes IU Ladies needed one of the power house bigs…the question is could IU Ladies get one??? To say otherwise is complete nonsense and rubbish.  The same kind of stupid stuff by others (not me. lol) was said last year about this time.

[Aaron]

56 minutes ago, TTT said:

Noyan showed significant improvement especially later in year…give or take this was an even swap.

Again unless things change in a positive direction this year in transfer portal IU Ladies will struggle to win 22 games including pre season cup cakes (that would be an improvement but not significant.  Tops out at winning one game in March Madness….or bottoms out at missing tournament.

Other teams are getting some players.  And yes IU Ladies need another big though Zoe Jackson could be a wild card….wild card centers recently have not played in IU Ladies favor.  Another big with Z along with other IU Ladies players would give IU Ladies big ten championship potential combinations and possibilities.  Minutes would be there and Z could play inside forward at times.  Plus Z might be more suited and successful of not playing 36 minutes a game due to injury history that goes back to High School.  
So yes IU Ladies needed one of the power house bigs…the question is could IU Ladies get one??? To say otherwise is complete nonsense and rubbish.  The same kind of stupid stuff by others (not me. lol) was said last year about this time.

Again in an ideal world I would love two bigs that split 20 min. Its just not realistic in this day and age with NIL and everyone wanting a guaranteed 30 min a night.

There were two realistic ways to handle this with Z:

1. Moren tells Z she is to worried about her injuries and recruits over her and Z goes in portal.

2.  Moren trusts and hope Z stays healthy and gives her the starting spot and she returns and shuts the door on a high level big

IU chose number two. There is an argument to be made IU should have chose number one and recruited over Z and have her leave.

However, once Moren chose number two, you took yourself out of the running for everyone except stretch fours like Petrie or a backup level big like Williams.

You cant play two bigs together in modern games which limits options once you have a starter level one (even if injury risk). In modern game playing Z at four will definitely lead to a bad season given she operates within a few feet of basket. You can’t have a second starting level player in that mold playing at same time and be successful. Period

I have no idea how good IU will be but starting lineup now is Z at the 5, Petrie at the 4, Maya at the 3, Lenee at the 2, and Battle at the 1. Also Nyemcheck and Hare of bench. This could well win 22 games with having four shooters again around Z but key is her health.

Hoosiers clearly have more portal money this yr getting a plug in starter in Petrie and a borderline starter in Hare. Both are better than anything IU got in portal last year. It is just impossible to get any player of starting post quality to consider you once you hitched wagon to Z and whether that was a good idea is certainly arguable.

There are certainly unknowns and questions, but this is a higher ceiling roster if things click. Between returnees (four), freshman (four) and current portal players (three) you only have two or three spots left and a USC reserve guard visiting today. None of the spots left offer much playing time based on who is there.

You can argue with how roster was built, but now that it has been, you are fishing for bottom feeders for better or worse.

You can’t assume anything right now based on how talent will do till we see how everyone develops and fits together.

[TTT]

49 minutes ago, Aaron said:

Again in an ideal world I would love two bigs that split 20 min. Its just not realistic in this day and age with NIL and everyone wanting a guaranteed 30 min a night.

There were two realistic ways to handle this with Z:

1. Moren tells Z she is to worried about her injuries and recruits over her and Z goes in portal.

2.  Moren trusts and hope Z stays healthy and gives her the starting spot and she returns and shuts the door on a high level big

IU chose number two. There is an argument to be made IU should have chose number one and recruited over Z and have her leave.

However, once Moren chose number two, you took yourself out of the running for everyone except stretch fours like Petrie or a backup level big like Williams.

You cant play two bigs together in modern games which limits options once you have a starter level one (even if injury risk). In modern game playing Z at four will definitely lead to a bad season given she operates within a few feet of basket. You can’t have a second starting level player in that mold playing at same time and be successful. Period

I have no idea how good IU will be but starting lineup now is Z at the 5, Petrie at the 4, Maya at the 3, Lenee at the 2, and Battle at the 1. Also Nyemcheck and Hare of bench. This could well win 22 games with having four shooters again around Z but key is her health.

Hoosiers clearly have more portal money this yr getting a plug in starter in Petrie and a borderline starter in Hare. Both are better than anything IU got in portal last year. It is just impossible to get any player of starting post quality to consider you once you hitched wagon to Z and whether that was a good idea is certainly arguable.

There are certainly unknowns and questions, but this is a higher ceiling roster if things click. Between returnees (four), freshman (four) and current portal players (three) you only have two or three spots left and a USC reserve guard visiting today. None of the spots left offer much playing time based on who is there.

You can argue with how roster was built, but now that it has been, you are fishing for bottom feeders for better or worse.

You can’t assume anything right now based on how talent will do till we see how everyone develops and fits together.

Wrong.  No suggestions of 20 minutes at all.  It involves combinations and strategies.  It doesn’t have anything to do with 20 minutes plus it’s insurance against missed games and injuries.  It involves whole team.

couldn’t be more wrong.  Enjoy operating around 20 win season.  And guaranteed that frosh gets year older next year and then next year is promising.  Same thinking of iU football tradition until 2 years ago.

[Aaron]

32 minutes ago, TTT said:

Wrong.  No suggestions of 20 minutes at all.  It involves combinations and strategies.  It doesn’t have anything to do with 20 minutes plus it’s insurance against missed games and injuries.  It involves whole team.

couldn’t be more wrong.  Enjoy operating around 20 win season.  And guaranteed that frosh gets year older next year and then next year is promising.  Same thinking of iU football tradition until 2 years ago.

Id be thrilled with 20 wins and getting back to tourney as IU builds this back up with a young team.

You can’t supercharge a rebuild and the fact that Ngeuman was unwilling to wait behind Lauren Betts another year (hence how IU got her) should be ultimate proof no starting level big will come when you already have one.

If Cori Close can’t get two bigs to work together at UCLA who are both starting level, I am not sure how you think Moren can. There is zero way to divide minutes amongst two starting bigs who mostly occupy the lane in today’s modern game. That is Z’s prototype and no amount of coaching or wishing makes her a four or someone you can split time with divided between two starting level centers.

Moren will either look like a genius or an idiot for hitching wagon to Z and this season will answer which it is. However, in today’s game there is no third option to bring in another top tier big or hoard players.

Despite what IU fans seem to think, its not always championship or bust. Its about the journey and establishing an identity with this group as Moren did in 2018-2019 before taking off. The pieces are there if Z stays healthy and everyone besides the transfers have at least two yrs left.

I am much more concerned about building a foundation and culture and returning to tourney than setting a number on wins and contending. Feel same way about DeVries and Moren and this year will show if they have the stones to coach in current Big Ten environment given talent they have now. 

[TTT]

Again missing the point or refusing to see the point.  Time played distribution involves whole team not just 2 players.  Combinations and strategies..:And before you try to use Tennessee example I am not talking about that.

And that’s fine 20 win season is definitely a possibility and mid big ten performance without any more changes.  Enjoy.

[NatHillIV]

I am not saying we have to get another "starting center."  But don't we have to get SOMEBODY to be a decent backup center?  I am hoping 6'4" Fenn can play center.  I honestly don't know.  We're pretty short at the moment.  At least I think we are?
You all pay way more attention to the incoming freshmen than I do.  Are any of them capable of playing center in the Big10?

[TTT]

If Z stays healthy and able to play 34 minutes per game without injury and continual foul trouble and Zoe Jackson as things are now is a wild card for next season.

with all the mobility of players now win now becomes more essential.  In football which is even more challenging, Cignetti did in his first year really what IU development programs under a bunch of coaches and players tried to do in over a 100 years.

[TTT]

1 minute ago, NatHillIV said:

I am not saying we have to get another "starting center."  But don't we have to get SOMEBODY to be a decent backup center?  I am hoping 6'4" Fenn can play center.  I honestly don't know.  We're pretty short at the moment.  At least I think we are?
You all pay way more attention to the incoming freshmen than I do.  Are any of them capable of playing center in the Big10?

Fenn another long term injury player.  Don’t expect any more than Mac level trying to play in big ten.  Bench and warmups and she can improve for next year.  When next year comes she transfers to Miami of Ohio or somewhere.  IU Ladies have fallen into a trap of developmental program for other programs since NIL has become such a big factor.

[TTT]

Just now, TTT said:

Fenn another long term injury player.  Don’t expect any more than Mac level trying to play in big ten.  Bench and warmups and she can improve for next year.  When next year comes she transfers to Miami of Ohio or somewhere.  IU Ladies have fallen into a trap of developmental program for other programs since NIL has become such a big factor.

Nymcheck , highest rated recruit got the sportsmanship award in recent MacDonalds all star game.  But that doesn’t score points.  She scored 0 points (she is capable) and was an excellent teammate and ball distributor.

[TTT]

Riley Makalusky needs to come to IU Ladies. 
46% behind the arc xx as a freshman and 43% last season.  Sophomore season 30%

minutes per game 14 last year…

24 mpg 24-25, 20 mpg 23-24

 

[Aaron]

13 hours ago, TTT said:

Riley Makalusky needs to come to IU Ladies. 
46% behind the arc xx as a freshman and 43% last season.  Sophomore season 30%

minutes per game 14 last year…

24 mpg 24-25, 20 mpg 23-24

 

This is a realistic get to fill a final roster spot. Not sure if it will happen. However, with sister on team and where she is as a player, this is absolutely the prototype for 12th and 13th player on rosters.