Assistant coaches

[IvanRenkosillegitimatechild]

How does everyone feel about the assistant coaches? Do you think anyone gets replaced? If so, who gets replaced? Who is realistic? Who do you want on staff next?

[go iu bb]

15 hours ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

How does everyone feel about the assistant coaches? Do you think anyone gets replaced? If so, who gets replaced? Who is realistic? Who do you want on staff next?

Pretty much how I feel about everything IU basketball these days: meh

I don't think there will be changes.

[JF87]

18 hours ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

How does everyone feel about the assistant coaches? Do you think anyone gets replaced? If so, who gets replaced? Who is realistic? Who do you want on staff next?

I think continuity would be best this off-season. 

[Pagoda]

2 hours ago, go iu bb said:

Pretty much how I feel about everything IU basketball these days: meh

I don't think there will be changes.

Same.  It's hard to evaluate assistants, they're mostly behind the scenes and I can't tell who does what.

In general, people have mixed views on Drew Adams.  Kenny... we've all seen him forever at this point... nice guy but he seems just "okay."  And then there is Nick Norton, who is pretty young and I think more junior on the staff.  This is the group that helped assemble our less than ideal roster last year.

Rod is a key TBD in my book since he was hired after we got our roster together.  He's highly regarded.  Can he come through and land some key players?  We really need him to.

And then off course there is Carr as Exec Director.  We know he is focused on the roster, but I suspect that means he has some input on the assistants focused on recruiting?  We'll see.

I also don't think there will be any changes, at least not until after the portal.

[Brass Cannon]

6 hours ago, go iu bb said:

Pretty much how I feel about everything IU basketball these days: meh

I don't think there will be changes.

Yep. I just don’t care anymore.  This administration and fanbase have been ok with mediocrity for along time. I don’t think that changes.  We aren’t willing to do the hard things that need done to get better 

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

Yep. I just don’t care anymore.  This administration and fanbase have been ok with mediocrity for along time. I don’t think that changes.  We aren’t willing to do the hard things that need done to get better 

Such as?

[Mopladysman]

7 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Such as?

Gettin rid of the fatheads

[OliviaPope40]

5 hours ago, Mopladysman said:

Gettin rid of the fatheads

I know everybody does it but it seems like it came back after Archie left but yes I do agree.

[Stuhoo]

9 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Yep. I just don’t care anymore.  This administration and fanbase have been ok with mediocrity for along time. I don’t think that changes.  We aren’t willing to do the hard things that need done to get better 

 

8 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Such as?

 

8 hours ago, Mopladysman said:

Gettin rid of the fatheads

[Mopladysman]

20 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

 

Twas joke but also true. 

[EasyEJay]

Man I'd love to see Dwayne Stephens on staff, didn't work out for him at WMU but a dude who spent years grinding in the Big Ten with Izzo and time with Crean at Marquette. He would be invaluable. Honestly could see him going back to MSU. 

Fanbase putting a lot of pressure on Carr and Clark which is unfair IMO but we tend to grasp at straws when things don't go well. As I've stated before its never been easier to win 20 games and make the NCAA tourney at IU. Don't wanna hear anything about roster make up, timing with portal, assistants this or that. If that doesn't happen in 2027 its solely on DDV. 

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, EasyEJay said:

Man I'd love to see Dwayne Stephens on staff, didn't work out for him at WMU but a dude who spent years grinding in the Big Ten with Izzo and time with Crean at Marquette. He would be invaluable. Honestly could see him going back to MSU. 

Fanbase putting a lot of pressure on Carr and Clark which is unfair IMO but we tend to grasp at straws when things don't go well. As I've stated before its never been easier to win 20 games and make the NCAA tourney at IU. Don't wanna hear anything about roster make up, timing with portal, assistants this or that. If that doesn't happen in 2027 its solely on DDV. 

Never been easier? Why do you think that? I'd argue its the exact opposite and the last 10 years worth of results parallel that. IU is another program these days. It's irrelevant nationally and at best a middle tier B10 program. We've been passed by so many other programs the last two or three decades, not many meddling programs demand 20+ wins and auto tourney bids. It sucks but it is what it is. 

[Asha’man]

I’d expect some continuity through the portal, which means likely no departures this offseason. I thought I read we still have one open spot on the staff to be filled though. Is that true? If so, why not hire Jason Gardner away from Arizona an assistant? Just sayin. 

[EasyEJay]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Never been easier? Why do you think that? I'd argue its the exact opposite and the last 10 years worth of results parallel that. IU is another program these days. It's irrelevant nationally and at best a middle tier B10 program. We've been passed by so many other programs the last two or three decades, not many meddling programs demand 20+ wins and auto tourney bids. It sucks but it is what it is. 

Well I have to be careful already been deleted this week for not "Staying on topic" . I know everyone wants to argue numbers inflated or not , but too many first year coaches as you state "middle of the conference tier programs" are doing just that. IU has the resources of a top tier team maybe not 1-5 or even 6-10 but its top 25 and I'm not even saying we should be a top 25 team or top 5 in the Big10 and now when that's now irrational to win .588? no way Its been proven time and again win 20 games and your in, I'm not saying it isn't hard but for even a halfway competent coach and staff with the portal and resources of IU that's a rational goal no one can convince me otherwise

We said it for years with football no reason (despite the lack of history) IU couldn't been a 7-8 win Bowl game program on a regular basis. And Obviously the Cig thing in football is as RARE as ANYTHING that has ever happened in the history of sports. I in no way shape or form thought DDV needed to or would accomplish ANYTHING close to what Cig did in year one. I think 20 wins and at least making the NCAA tourney is the basketball equivalent of going 7-5 in football. 

Maybe DDV is that a good coach and the things mentioned about staff and roster construction were legit issues and he is able to accomplish this or more for the foreseeable future. I just personally don't think he deserves the lack of criticism and accountability the media and many others are giving him. I don't think his or Dolson comments were wrong and I'm glad they acknowledged them and talked about the issues he had this year but I just think they were also a little passive. Just hoping to see a little more sense of urgency and energy? I guess. Again maybe I'll feel differently in and month, 6 months, or a year. I haven't seen enough to make me think I will.  

Just so I don't get deleted . Drew Adams, Rod Clark , Kenny Johnson haha

[Stuhoo]

14 minutes ago, EasyEJay said:

Well I have to be careful already been deleted this week for not "Staying on topic" . I know everyone wants to argue numbers inflated or not , but too many first year coaches as you state "middle of the conference tier programs" are doing just that. IU has the resources of a top tier team maybe not 1-5 or even 6-10 but its top 25 and I'm not even saying we should be a top 25 team or top 5 in the Big10 and now when that's now irrational to win .588? no way Its been proven time and again win 20 games and your in, I'm not saying it isn't hard but for even a halfway competent coach and staff with the portal and resources of IU that's a rational goal no one can convince me otherwise

We said it for years with football no reason (despite the lack of history) IU couldn't been a 7-8 win Bowl game program on a regular basis. And Obviously the Cig thing in football is as RARE as ANYTHING that has ever happened in the history of sports. I in no way shape or form thought DDV needed to or would accomplish ANYTHING close to what Cig did in year one. I think 20 wins and at least making the NCAA tourney is the basketball equivalent of going 7-5 in football. 

Maybe DDV is that a good coach and the things mentioned about staff and roster construction were legit issues and he is able to accomplish this or more for the foreseeable future. I just personally don't think he deserves the lack of criticism and accountability the media and many others are giving him. I don't think his or Dolson comments were wrong and I'm glad they acknowledged them and talked about the issues he had this year but I just think they were also a little passive. Just hoping to see a little more sense of urgency and energy? I guess. Again maybe I'll feel differently in and month, 6 months, or a year. I haven't seen enough to make me think I will.  

Just so I don't get deleted . Drew Adams, Rod Clark , Kenny Johnson haha

FWIW; there have been quite literally zero posts from anyone deleted this week.

The mods took some off-topic posts and moved them to the proper thread; mainly out of the 'Transfer Portal' thread and into the 'Scott Dolson' and 'How Is Devries Doing' threads.

[AH1971]

17 minutes ago, EasyEJay said:

Well I have to be careful already been deleted this week for not "Staying on topic" . I know everyone wants to argue numbers inflated or not , but too many first year coaches as you state "middle of the conference tier programs" are doing just that. IU has the resources of a top tier team maybe not 1-5 or even 6-10 but its top 25 and I'm not even saying we should be a top 25 team or top 5 in the Big10 and now when that's now irrational to win .588? no way Its been proven time and again win 20 games and your in, I'm not saying it isn't hard but for even a halfway competent coach and staff with the portal and resources of IU that's a rational goal no one can convince me otherwise

We said it for years with football no reason (despite the lack of history) IU couldn't been a 7-8 win Bowl game program on a regular basis. And Obviously the Cig thing in football is as RARE as ANYTHING that has ever happened in the history of sports. I in no way shape or form thought DDV needed to or would accomplish ANYTHING close to what Cig did in year one. I think 20 wins and at least making the NCAA tourney is the basketball equivalent of going 7-5 in football. 

Maybe DDV is that a good coach and the things mentioned about staff and roster construction were legit issues and he is able to accomplish this or more for the foreseeable future. I just personally don't think he deserves the lack of criticism and accountability the media and many others are giving him. I don't think his or Dolson comments were wrong and I'm glad they acknowledged them and talked about the issues he had this year but I just think they were also a little passive. Just hoping to see a little more sense of urgency and energy? I guess. Again maybe I'll feel differently in and month, 6 months, or a year. I haven't seen enough to make me think I will.  

Just so I don't get deleted . Drew Adams, Rod Clark , Kenny Johnson haha

Couple things.

1. Every team has money these days. IU has a lot of money but I'm not convinced they have top tier money, at least in terms of player compensation.

2. Money is the ONLY thing IU has these days. There's no culture, there's no momentum, there's no nothing. Guys come to IU to collect a check. That's a harsh but true reality. We're spending, and overspending on that, simply to field a team that goes through the motions year after year. We give up on coaches 1-2 years into their tenure and by year 4 we're starting over. It's been a two decade plus cycle. It's a vicious one.

3. Winning 20 games and making the tournament every year should be the goal of every non blueblood program. The really good programs consistently win 20+ games and make the tournament at a high clip. Unfortunately, IU isn't a really good program right now....we aren't even a good program. 

[EasyEJay]

19 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

FWIW; there have been quite literally zero posts from anyone deleted this week.

The mods took some off-topic posts and moved them to the proper thread; mainly out of the 'Transfer Portal' thread and into the 'Scott Dolson' and 'How Is Devries Doing' threads.

Oh ok I got you and I'm sorry I was just making a light hearted joke honestly wasn't mad if it had got deleted probably should have been haha I was rambling that day. The Burn of selection Sunday was still fresh. 

The Mods and people who run this board do a fantastic job nothing but respect. 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, EasyEJay said:

Oh ok I got you and I'm sorry I was just making a light hearted joke honestly wasn't mad if it had got deleted probably should have been haha I was rambling that day. The Burn of selection Sunday was still fresh. 

The Mods and people who run this board do a fantastic job nothing but respect. 

All good my friend!

[AH1971]

42 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Couple things.

1. Every team has money these days. IU has a lot of money but I'm not convinced they have top tier money, at least in terms of player compensation.

2. Money is the ONLY thing IU has these days. There's no culture, there's no momentum, there's no nothing. Guys come to IU to collect a check. That's a harsh but true reality. We're spending, and overspending on that, simply to field a team that goes through the motions year after year. We give up on coaches 1-2 years into their tenure and by year 4 we're starting over. It's been a two decade plus cycle. It's a vicious one.

3. Winning 20 games and making the tournament every year should be the goal of every non blueblood program. The really good programs consistently win 20+ games and make the tournament at a high clip. Unfortunately, IU isn't a really good program right now....we aren't even a good program. 

To add to this, there are currently 4 programs who have won 20+ games for 10 straight years

-Kansas

-Gonzaga

-Belmont

-Houston

*Oregon's 15 year streak just ended this season.

There are 5 programs who have made the tournament every year for 10+ seasons

-Michigan St

-Gonzaga

-Kansas (technically their 2018 appearance was vacated)

-Purdue

-Houston

That's it, that's the list. I don't think people realize just how good Indiana had it under Bob Knight. A lot of people b******* about the state of the program either weren't alive for Bob Knight or were too young to comprehend it. 

[Uspshoosier]

16 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

 

-Purdue

They can thank Covid for that streak.  Should of ended in 2020 when they were not going to make it that year