IUWBB vs Harvard - Thursday, 11.07.24 @ 7:00 on B1G+

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,602]

We didn't deserve to win.

[Hoosierfan1901 6,227]

Oof

[maharkn 1,728]

Nothing like a player not good enough to play for you to put you away


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[TheWatShot 13,916]

Moren shouldn't let them sleep tonight. Worst IU game I've seen in years. 

[Todd41 723]

The loss of a player that caused opponents to double team her is hurting us a lot more than I imagined. . 

[TTT 935]

3 minutes ago, Todd41 said:

The loss of a player that caused opponents to double team her is hurting us a lot more than I imagined. . 

Holmes defensive player of the year (big ten) besides her offense and everything else IU Ladies worked through her.

[Todd41 723]

3 minutes ago, TTT said:

Holmes defensive player of the year (big ten) besides her offense and everything else IU Ladies worked through her.

That along with her loss of leadership on the floor.  It just feels like no one wants to step up into the role.  

[reconmkd 4,361]

Wow I have never seen some of these ladies look so not even within the city during a game. Chloe acted like she didn't want the ball at times, no one could hit the wide side of a barn, horrible defense, and 27 TURNOVERS! I'm not sure getting Beaumont or Bargesser will make it that much. 

[mickey one 50]

Recruiting failures are taking their toll--if you had Reagan Beers, Makayla Blakes, Syla Swords, et al., I think it would be a different story. Forget about winning anything big this year. Next year, Maya Makalusky and maybe Nevaeh Caffey can step into the starting lineup.

[JerryYeagley23 3,353]

9 minutes ago, mickey one said:

Recruiting failures are taking their toll--if you had Reagan Beers, Makayla Blakes, Syla Swords, et al., I think it would be a different story. Forget about winning anything big this year. Next year, Maya Makalusky and maybe Nevaeh Caffey can step into the starting lineup.

I touched on something like this in a thread a year or two ago. CTM was getting (deservedly) a lot of love for turning our program around and into a top B1G program. I said then, that we needed to start competing with and landing bigger recruits to capitalize on the success. A lot of the response was “I trust CTM to find her type of players” and “we don’t need five stars, we need girls who will commit to playing the way CTM wants.” That was all easy to say when we had Grace Berger’s, McKenzie Holmes, Sara Scalia, etc. We’re talking first team all Americans and best 3pt shooters in the country types. My concern then was that we weren’t recruiting like a Maryland, Ohio State, South Carolina, etc. So at some point the success we were having on the court wasn’t going to translate into sustainable success as a program. I still think CTM is a fantastic coach for IU. This team will certainly grow and be competitive this year. But next year losing CMM and Syd, it doesn’t feel like we used our best years as a program with generational talent to set ourselves up to stay there and become a great program and not just a couple great teams. 

[Stuhoo 80,486]

I was at the game up close-4th row.

I cannot for the life of me figure out what Shay Czeski is good at.

Striplin looked slow and glued to the floor-Meister was really really good but Striplin was practically unplayable against quickness.

Parrish and Garzon looked like themselves-just  a bad shooting night which happens.

Chloe? Yikes she looked like a confused freshman. Is she sick or something?

We got literally nothing in transition. We have no back to basket scorer and no one that can break down defenses off of the bounce. It was not encouraging.

[mickey one 50]

P.S. also, if this is a "lost year" in terms of championships, etc., why not give people like Currie-Jelks & Kadlecova some exposure? to see how they would handle things, if the "regulars" look flat. Are they that uninspiring or incapable in practice? To stick to a tight rotation, and the tight rotation is going nowhere . . . it starts to feel like a "doom loop".

[TTT 935]

5 hours ago, mickey one said:

P.S. also, if this is a "lost year" in terms of championships, etc., why not give people like Currie-Jelks & Kadlecova some exposure? to see how they would handle things, if the "regulars" look flat. Are they that uninspiring or incapable in practice? To stick to a tight rotation, and the tight rotation is going nowhere . . . it starts to feel like a "doom loop".

Equals in the big ten getting beat by 40 instead of 20.  (Kadlecova could be a future in a couple years a solid role player in rotation if she sticks with it).  This team is going to take time to develop and improve.  Unless recruiting turns around for the better…in most all areas to compliment what is already there and coming in the next couple years and the future IU Ladies will be in the bottom half of the big ten.

IU Ladies are losing or not able to sustain enough elite recruiting battles.  (IU Ladies are not a priority for them).

[JSHoosier 20,136]

12 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I was at the game up close-4th row.

I cannot for the life of me figure out what Shay Czeski is good at.

Striplin looked slow and glued to the floor-Meister was really really good but Striplin was practically unplayable against quickness.

Parrish and Garzon looked like themselves-just  a bad shooting night which happens.

Chloe? Yikes she looked like a confused freshman. Is she sick or something?

We got literally nothing in transition. We have no back to basket scorer and no one that can break down defenses off of the bounce. It was not encouraging.

Cieski's 3% is a little better Scalia's, granted on slightly fewer attempts, to the same point in their careers. Their frosh years were very similar in % and attempts, Cieski took a step back as a sophomore though.

[Stuhoo 80,486]

18 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Cieski's 3% is a little better Scalia's, granted on slightly fewer attempts, to the same point in their careers. Their frosh years were very similar in % and attempts, Cieski took a step back as a sophomore though.

I agree that track record matters; for instance, Luke Goode has not shot well for the men yet, but his form and release look really good.

When I saw Czeski shoot from outside last night she did not impress. Her release wasn’t that quick-nothing nearly as good as Parrish or Garzon, and she kind of launches her body. It just didn’t look like a repeatable stroke to me. That having been said, I hope I’m wrong and she hits the next million in a row.

[TTT 935]

Scalia was a 3 star prospect in high school and Czeski a 4 star which could be debatable.  Currently, IU Ladies are just discombobulated, not physical enough.  Inside game is to much fumbling around.  Garzon is an easy charge for defense.  Maybe, it would be nice for a mid range jumper.  

[JSHoosier 20,136]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

I agree that track record matters; for instance, Luke Goode has not shot well for the men yet, but his form and release look really good.

When I saw Czeski shoot from outside last night she did not impress. Her release wasn’t that quick-nothing nearly as good as Parrish or Garzon, and she kind of launches her body. It just didn’t look like a repeatable stroke to me. That having been said, I hope I’m wrong and she hits the next million in a row.

It's possible her shot needs some work, her % did drop almost 5% on less than 1 more attempt per game ger sophomore year.

[Todd41 723]

Scalia at Minnesota was the primary scorer.  When she came to IU, she did not have to play that role, but when she did take it on, she knew how to handle the responsibility.   Shay at PSU was a role player and not really expected to be a volume scorer.  This role of additional responsibility at the D1 level is a new experience and one I hope she can pick it soon. 

 

[TTT 935]

On 11/7/2024 at 9:58 PM, JerryYeagley23 said:

I touched on something like this in a thread a year or two ago. CTM was getting (deservedly) a lot of love for turning our program around and into a top B1G program. I said then, that we needed to start competing with and landing bigger recruits to capitalize on the success. A lot of the response was “I trust CTM to find her type of players” and “we don’t need five stars, we need girls who will commit to playing the way CTM wants.” That was all easy to say when we had Grace Berger’s, McKenzie Holmes, Sara Scalia, etc. We’re talking first team all Americans and best 3pt shooters in the country types. My concern then was that we weren’t recruiting like a Maryland, Ohio State, South Carolina, etc. So at some point the success we were having on the court wasn’t going to translate into sustainable success as a program. I still think CTM is a fantastic coach for IU. This team will certainly grow and be competitive this year. But next year losing CMM and Syd, it doesn’t feel like we used our best years as a program with generational talent to set ourselves up to stay there and become a great program and not just a couple great teams. 

It seems to me that it’s not that IU Ladies (nationally) doesn’t want and go after more elite recruits, but the elite 5 stars do not respect nor have IU Ladies on their list as a high priority.  (Refer to recruiting battles).  I am sure T. Moren would love to develop 5 star players into 6 star players (wnba star types).  Is whatever is amiss in recruiting at that level a little bit of a coverup for things as they are…good to very good but not greatness. (Maybe, great compared before T. Moren era).

Along with winning T. Moren has worked in coaching USA national teams but seems not to be translating.

(Though a few years ago now, Parrish who was number 7 recruit in the country spent a couple years at Oregon before IU)

(Not sure the picture of the big ten regular season championship trophy picture poses with 5 stars recruits is effective)….maybe more effective with the short window of a national championship trophy or final four when the possibilities were more realistic.

[mickey one 50]

yes, it is just somewhat mystifying as to why Coach Moren has not had more success. She coached a bunch of A-listers this past summer on the national team, but none of them chose IU for college (even though a few of them were still on the board). In college athletics, recruiting is destiny, like it or not.