Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,370]

2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

‘Overrated’ based on what, though?  Put money aside and he’s a fit for what we are looking for IMO — a backup 4/5 with experience.  
 

we don’t actually even know what kind of NIL deal he commands at this point…it’s all speculation.

Based on watching him play versus what the fans think he is.  And translating that to the big leagues.  I don’t care what the NIL deal is.  The fact this guy is getting paid anything this off-season shows where NIL is and how much teams need bigs. 

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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Based on watching him play versus what the fans think he is.  And translating that to the big leagues.  I don’t care what the NIL deal is.  The fact this guy is getting paid anything this off-season shows where NIL is and how much teams need bigs. 

I would say your memory of guys who filled out the rosters of teams pre-NIL days isn’t reflective of what those players abilities were.

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10 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

And I’ll take skilled guys as a backup over athletic ones without skills.  I’ve seen enough Hanner Peres’s in my lifetime.

Not every athletic big is Perea.  You’d rather have this dude over Onyensu from Kentucky or something similar?  Or Somto Cyril?  Or some guy like that.  Or Fidunga off the bench like KU will have. It’s going to be a weak spot in this team this year.  Give me an athletic freak over a limited guy that isn’t athletic enough to compete in the first place like Sparks. 

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1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I would say your memory of guys who filled out the rosters of teams pre-NIL days isn’t reflective of what those players abilities were.

I don’t even know what this sentence means. It’s usually freshman BiGs on the bench. Sometimes you get an Edey sometimes you get a Logan Duncomb.  Also this isn’t pre-Nil so this argument has no relation.  But I’d rather have Bidunga on the bench if that’s my option. Or a Xavier Booker even.  

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23 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Not every athletic big is Perea.  You’d rather have this dude over Onyensu from Kentucky or something similar?  Or Somto Cyril?  Or some guy like that.  Or Fidunga off the bench like KU will have. It’s going to be a weak spot in this team this year.  Give me an athletic freak over a limited guy that isn’t athletic enough to compete in the first place like Sparks. 

Lol Kory Fidunga 

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Lol Kory Fidunga 

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1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

But it also hurts other individual players and REALLY hurts high school recruits.  There are winners and losers here outside of the money aspect.

We don’t disagree but that cat’s out of the bag. I don’t like that HS players now have to compete for spots with vet college transfers, but DI isn’t going back to pre-NIL. The problem of the impact of NIL on mid-majors, which I’ve mentioned bf, is not so much a money problem as an impact on the college game as a whole problem. That’s a problem that at least conceivably can be addressed by regulation, limiting the number of transfers or similar regs might help the impact on HS players, but that’s harder to address with NIL out of the bag

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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I am also saying we are one Ballo injury away from a very limited ceiling as a team. People that think sliding Reneau to the 5 is best isn’t the fix they think.  Doesn’t rebound well.  Doesn’t rim protect well.  Give me an athletic freak that can’t dribble as a backup five. Then run him with 4 guards. New guy is gonna get eaten alive by the athelticism/size of Power 5. 

No one is going to sign to sit bench to Ballo with limited minutes that is super good. Thats an unrealistic ask. If anyone’s starting center gets hurt that hampers anyone’s ceiling, not just IUs. Hatton knows his role. Hopefully there’s no major injuries and we don’t need to deal with that.

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56 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Not every athletic big is Perea.  You’d rather have this dude over Onyensu from Kentucky or something similar?  Or Somto Cyril?  Or some guy like that.  Or Fidunga off the bench like KU will have. It’s going to be a weak spot in this team this year.  Give me an athletic freak over a limited guy that isn’t athletic enough to compete in the first place like Sparks. 

so you are asking if I’d rather have Onyensu — the best post left in the portal — or Somto Cyril — the best available uncommitted high school post — or another post who a McDonald’s all-American who is off the board already instead of Hatton?  Seems like a pretty loaded question.  
 

it’s not Madden.  You don’t get to just put a guy on your team.  I mean, cool, let’s just add one of the guys you listed.  Heck, let’s add two of them.  Or we can deal with the fact that one of the three you listed is committed elsewhere and the other two aren’t looking to come in and get not as many minutes as they will get elsewhere to go along with $.

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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I don’t even know what this sentence means. It’s usually freshman BiGs on the bench. Sometimes you get an Edey sometimes you get a Logan Duncomb.  Also this isn’t pre-Nil so this argument has no relation.  But I’d rather have Bidunga on the bench if that’s my option. Or a Xavier Booker even.  

why do you keep bringing Bidunga up as if he were an option?  And now Xavier Booker?

They aren’t options.  And now you are bringing up Edey and Duncomb — neither of which meet the criteria that wanted in a backup big which was being an athletic freak.  Edey was a 300ish ranked player with no foot speed….and regardless of what he actually did in college, you would NOT have been happy coming into freshman year as our backup big.

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Hatton would be a nice pick up especially given the available options, seems like he'd be serviceable in a limited role.

I agree with @WayneFleekHoosier 100% though in that we are just one injury away in the front court from being in the same position as this past year with the backcourt. That's just factual - in fact, it would be worse than losing XJ for an extended period IMO and frankly I don't see how that's debatable. Malik as your 5 for extended periods will have you on the wrong end of a scoring run, and then he'll get in foul trouble. How long will it take? Then it will be Hatton or Mack and 4 guards. Hope we don't end up asking him to do too much.

In an ideal world we'd have a sophomore/junior/senior already on the roster who could rebound well and defend the post. I'd even take a senior Jordan Geronimo with Hatton as the final piece to the roster, and I know people will roast me for that take lol.

Yes we're not going to add someone better than Hatton most likely at this point in the cycle... that doesn't mean front court depth isn't a valid concern. 

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why do you keep bringing Bidunga up as if he were an option?  And now Xavier Booker?
They aren’t options.  And now you are bringing up Edey and Duncomb — neither of which meet the criteria that wanted in a backup big which was being an athletic freak.  Edey was a 300ish ranked player with no foot speed….and regardless of what he actually did in college, you would NOT have been happy coming into freshman year as our backup big.

Because Bidunga IS the backup 5 for Kansas because they secured him early and were able to keep him committed. (Kansas method better than IU in this scenario). I bring up Booker because they secured him early and he ended up being 3rd string this year.

My point is, Indiana might need to revisit this backup big situation. This is 2 seasons in a row we are filling the spot with an unqualified moderately successful player from a low major with major athletic limitations and severely capping our total roster ceiling in the process. To only have that player leave after one year. This is a staff flaw imo, that I’m identifying early and hope it’s considered in future roster builds.

I KNOW this isn’t madden. But many other schools have back up bigs that fit the program they are at. At least give me a guy to mold, build, that has tangible assets to the current team.

UConn has Tarris Reed as it’s backup big from the portal for example. There are numerous examples. Arrington Page could be a guy. So many….




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No one is going to sign to sit bench to Ballo with limited minutes that is super good. Thats an unrealistic ask. If anyone’s starting center gets hurt that hampers anyone’s ceiling, not just IUs. Hatton knows his role. Hopefully there’s no major injuries and we don’t need to deal with that.

Kansas has Bidunga
Duke has Ngongba
UConn has Tarris Reed
Tenn has Okpara/Mikicic
Alabama has Nelson/Omoruyi/Sherrell
Michigan has Goldin/Wolf

I think I can list a lot of guys. I’d just rather have a higher upside guy that might be able to handle Power 5 ball. I guarantee there are some Freshman/Sophomores out there that aren’t street names that become solid players on rosters unheard because they’ve developed and got a chance. Which of the 3 Purdue bigs is it this year that blossoms?



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10 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Because Bidunga IS the backup 5 for Kansas because they secured him early and were able to keep him committed. (Kansas method better than IU in this scenario). I bring up Booker because they secured him early and he ended up being 3rd string this year.

My point is, Indiana might need to revisit this backup big situation. This is 2 seasons in a row we are filling the spot with an unqualified moderately successful player from a low major with major athletic limitations and severely capping our total roster ceiling in the process. To only have that player leave after one year. This is a staff flaw imo, that I’m identifying early and hope it’s considered in future roster builds.

I KNOW this isn’t madden. But many other schools have back up bigs that fit the program they are at. At least give me a guy to mold, build, that has tangible assets to the current team.

UConn has Tarris Reed as it’s backup big from the portal for example. There are numerous examples. Arrington Page could be a guy. So many….




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The young guys you are talking about ‘molding’ are top 50 recruits, some even McDonald’s All American’s.

Tarris Reed, at worst will be splitting even minutes with U Conn’s Johnson. And I’m willing to bet he plays more than Johnson.

Arrington Page?  I like him.  But he’s also off the board.  Committed to Cincinnati where he will likely get what IU can’t give him — tons of PT.

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24 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Kansas has Bidunga
Duke has Ngongba
UConn has Tarris Reed
Tenn has Okpara/Mikicic
Alabama has Nelson/Omoruyi/Sherrell
Michigan has Goldin/Wolf

I think I can list a lot of guys. I’d just rather have a higher upside guy that might be able to handle Power 5 ball. I guarantee there are some Freshman/Sophomores out there that aren’t street names that become solid players on rosters unheard because they’ve developed and got a chance. Which of the 3 Purdue bigs is it this year that blossoms?



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A lot of those pairs you list are going to start together. So in that spirit, IU has both Reneau and Ballo at the 5.

”But Reneau is going to be at the 4”

so are Nelson and Wolf.

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6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

A lot of those pairs you list are going to start together. So in that spirit, IU has both Reneau and Ballo at the 5.

”But Reneau is going to be at the 4”

so are Nelson and Wolf.

Correct.  Nelson almost exclusively playing the 4 and Wolf likely spending half his time there (until, IMO, they find out he can't defend the 4 for any long stretches and his PT gets cut).  Should also be noted that Wolf goes completely against the definition of 'athletic big who can't dribble'.

In terms of 'which of the 3 Purdue bigs will blossom'....I do have a question for Wayne:  which of those three would you want to IU's backup big next year?  Burgess, the 137th ranked recruit, Jacobsen, the 149th ranked recruit, or Will Berg, who redshirted his freshman year and only played 55 minutes last year?  It's a serious question, because the guy you pick would have to be the guy taking over for Ballo if he got hurt.  

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55 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Because Bidunga IS the backup 5 for Kansas because they secured him early and were able to keep him committed. (Kansas method better than IU in this scenario). I bring up Booker because they secured him early and he ended up being 3rd string this year.

My point is, Indiana might need to revisit this backup big situation. This is 2 seasons in a row we are filling the spot with an unqualified moderately successful player from a low major with major athletic limitations and severely capping our total roster ceiling in the process. To only have that player leave after one year. This is a staff flaw imo, that I’m identifying early and hope it’s considered in future roster builds.

I KNOW this isn’t madden. But many other schools have back up bigs that fit the program they are at. At least give me a guy to mold, build, that has tangible assets to the current team.

UConn has Tarris Reed as it’s backup big from the portal for example. There are numerous examples. Arrington Page could be a guy. So many….

 

 

That's what happens when you have no HS recruits and have to build a roster from the transfer portal.

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16 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

A lot of those pairs you list are going to start together. So in that spirit, IU has both Reneau and Ballo at the 5.

”But Reneau is going to be at the 4”

so are Nelson and Wolf.

Nah.  That’s why I named 3 Alabama bigs. 1 of them isn’t starting. Give be Sherrell as a bench piece every single day. 
 

Goldin and Wolf might start some games together but I doubt they go that way much. They are both 5’s. 
 

and no one else on that list start together. 

Edited May 10 by WayneFleekHoosier