Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[AH1971]

2 hours ago, IU - Kaulie said:

He is definitely my top choice.  I love Rice and super excited to get him.  If Carlyle wants to come too that’s awesome, but Conwell is the bigger play here.  Conwell is the big fish.  I can’t see anyone like Carlyle, Hickman, or Humrichous coming here to play off the bench but would be obviously ecstatic if that were somehow to happen.  I just don’t see it, plus you factor in Gallo who is playing HEAVY minutes starting or not.

Not calling you out specifically, but it seems like the consensus of people who want Conwell to be the top priority, are the same people yelling “Rice can’t shoot”.Conwell had a dreadful freshman season (in a lower conference) over either Rice or Carlyle to the point it’s not even a comparison. Conwell made a major freshman to sophomore jump which is typically a natural progression in this sport. Just find it ironic that the people dead set on Conwell dismiss the idea that Carlyle and Rice can’t or won’t improve their 3 point shooting. That’s literally why we’re even talking about Conwell right now; improvement.

[CSP]

15 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Personal preference.  I prefer Conwell to anyone.

Not sure MVC and the "whole" at ISU weren't more for the reason of their success. Buuuuut-- Conwell played well at Bama vs another P5 early on in the year. 

Simply speaking-- Carlyle had quite a bit better FR year then Conwell did. 

[Maedhros]

2 hours ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I like Rice and Carlyle individually, and like you said they both can score and both like to get to the rim but you have to have spacing to make that work.  Ballo clogging the paint with MR doesn’t do that unless Malik improves a lot away from the basket which is possible.

If we are going Rice and Carlyle that’s fine but I don’t want Ballo.  MR needs to play the 5 and you add a shooter like Humrichous.  Rebounding will be a concern but I think we could get around it.

Ballo sounds like he is coming so I would strongly prefer Conwell as Rice’s running mate.  Conwell provides a lot on both ends that doesn’t get talked about enough.  If not Conwell, go hard after Hickman.

We need shooters.  If Ballo is coming we need even more shooters.  My personal preference is Rice, Conwell, Mgbako, Humrichous, and MR.  It sure sounds like it’s going to be Rice, Carlyle, Mgbako, MR, and Ballo.  I don’t love it, and we have to hope Rice and Carlyle up their percentages and MR can play more away from the basket because Ballo isn’t Ware and he will clog the paint and spacing is going to be an issue with explosive driving guards.  It’s a lot to ask for.  I like the players being talked about individually, but it has to work as a team.  None of the above names are coming here to come off the bench so you have to prioritize.  Right now, as it currently stands, there are two starting positions that are open.
 

Not going HARD after Conwell is a mistake, unless he has let it be known he isn’t interested.

We all want guys who can shoot from deep. But judging a freshman off just his three points percentage, as though that's all he'll ever be, is a mistake. Ryan Conwell shot just 30% from three as a freshman and you wouldn't have wanted him a year ago.

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, Maedhros said:

We all want guys who can shoot from deep. But judging a freshman off just his three points percentage, as though that's all he'll ever be, is a mistake. Ryan Conwell shot just 30% from three as a freshman and you wouldn't have wanted him a year ago.

In a "not p5 conference" 

[IU - Kaulie]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Not calling you out specifically, but it seems like the consensus of people who want Conwell to be the top priority, are the same people yelling “Rice can’t’t shoot”.Conwell had a dreadful freshman season (in a lower conference) over either Rice or Carlyle to the point it’s not even a comparison. Conwell made a major freshman to sophomore jump which is typically a natural progression in this sport. Just find it ironic that the people dead set on Conwell dismiss the idea that Carlyle and Rice can’t or won’t improve their 3 point shooting. That’s literally why we’re even talking about Conwell; improvement.

I love Rice.  He is a Hoosier now.  I would just prefer Conwell over Carlyle.  It’s just a personal preference.  I have seen how Conwell plays at both ends.  He is very impressive.  I have only seen Carlyle on short video clips.   I imagine Carlyle still has a lot of potential and he is already a very good player right now.  However, my personal choice is Conwell.

[IU Prof]

I think Conwell's NIT run pretty conclusively settles whether his talent can play up a level.

[IUc2016]

25 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Not calling you out specifically, but it seems like the consensus of people who want Conwell to be the top priority, are the same people yelling “Rice can’t shoot”.Conwell had a dreadful freshman season (in a lower conference) over either Rice or Carlyle to the point it’s not even a comparison. Conwell made a major freshman to sophomore jump which is typically a natural progression in this sport. Just find it ironic that the people dead set on Conwell dismiss the idea that Carlyle and Rice can’t or won’t improve their 3 point shooting. That’s literally why we’re even talking about Conwell right now; improvement.

I want conwell and am not one saying rice can’t shoot. Rice did struggle from deep, which is why putting him next to KC who also struggles from deep worries me.

yes I get conwell improved and had a much better sophomore year, but not everyone does. So not sure why that argument is the end all be all here

[HoosierDaddy87]

Agree on Conwell.  I've seen him play in person and I like the "dawg" in him.

[Trish]

54 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Happy with the Rice signing.  He fits a huge need. I do have a question. I went to SPEA, so someone help me with my math.  There are 200 minutes in a game.  Ballo (assuming) 29 mins, Reneau 29, MgBako 30, Rice 30, Tucker 25, Galloway 25, Cupps 8, Leal 8.  That leaves 16 minutes (8 minutes per half).  What quality shooting guard are we going to add with only being able to offer 16 minutes per game?  

Ballo isn’t playing 29 minutes a game. He only played 25 minutes this season. Leal won’t play either. Tucker likely won’t get 25 either. 

 

 

 

 

 

[CSP]

7 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

I want conwell and am not one saying rice can’t shoot. He did struggle from deep, which is why putting rice next to a guard who also struggles from deep worries me.

yes I get conwell improved and had a much better sophomore year, but not everyone does. So not sure why that argument is the end all be all here

What Guard are we putting him next to that struggles from deep? 

[IU - Kaulie]

9 minutes ago, Maedhros said:

We all want guys who can shoot from deep. But judging a freshman off just his three points percentage, as though that's all he'll ever be, is a mistake. Ryan Conwell shot just 30% from three as a freshman and you wouldn't have wanted him a year ago.

I have said I like Rice and Carlyle lol.  I have wanted Rice and happy he is a Hoosier.  But if I’m choosing between Carlyle and Conwell I’m choosing Conwell every single time.  I don’t mean that as some sort of slight against Carlyle.  I just really like Ryan Conwell.

[IUc2016]

3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

What Guard are we putting him next to that struggles from deep? 

KC

[Shooter]

11 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Not calling you out specifically, but it seems like the consensus of people who want Conwell to be the top priority, are the same people yelling “Rice can’t shoot”.Conwell had a dreadful freshman season (in a lower conference) over either Rice or Carlyle to the point it’s not even a comparison. Conwell made a major freshman to sophomore jump which is typically a natural progression in this sport. Just find it ironic that the people dead set on Conwell dismiss the idea that Carlyle and Rice can’t or won’t improve their 3 point shooting. That’s literally why we’re even talking about Conwell right now; improvement.

I do not agree at all with that first sentence. I love the Rice addition. For the 2 guard spot,  it's not that complicated -  some people prefer the guy who has already made "the leap", over the guy who hasn''t yet.

It's not an anti-Carlyle sentiment. He is clearly talented, and may very well make that leap next season. But Conwell already made it. He has already shown he's capable of being a key contributor and efficient shooter on volume for a good team. Carlyle has not, yet.

[IU - Kaulie]

9 minutes ago, HoosierDaddy87 said:

Agree on Conwell.  I've seen him play in person and I like the "dawg" in him.

I have not got to see him play in person, but he does have something to him for sure.

[IUc2016]

Just now, Shooter said:

I do not agree at all with that first sentence. I love the Rice addition. For the 2 guard spot,  it's not that complicated -  some people prefer the guy who has already made "the leap", over the guy who hasn''t yet.

It's not an anti-Carlyle sentiment. He is clearly talented, and may very well make that leap next season. But Conwell already made it. He has already shown he's capable of being a key contributor and efficient shooter on volume for a good team. Carlyle has not, yet.

Thank you, you I said it much better than I did.

[IUCrazy2]

1 minute ago, Shooter said:

I do not agree at all with that first sentence. I love the Rice addition. For the 2 guard spot,  it's not that complicated -  some people prefer the guy who has already made "the leap", over the guy who hasn''t yet.

It's not an anti-Carlyle sentiment. He is clearly talented, and may very well make that leap next season. But Conwell already made it. He has already shown he's capable of being a key contributor and efficient shooter on volume for a good team. Carlyle has not, yet.

I am whatever on any of them but Conwell has made the Freshman to Sophomore leap successfully already and he is a kid who grew up in Indianapolis.  I know, I know, people don't care where guys are from but all else appearing to be equal or close to equal, give me the homegrown kid.  He is the one least likely to face culture shock or homesickness which can impact play as well.

[IU - Kaulie]

5 minutes ago, Shooter said:

I do not agree at all with that first sentence. I love the Rice addition. For the 2 guard spot,  it's not that complicated -  some people prefer the guy who has already made "the leap", over the guy who hasn''t yet.

It's not an anti-Carlyle sentiment. He is clearly talented, and may very well make that leap next season. But Conwell already made it. He has already shown he's capable of being a key contributor and efficient shooter on volume for a good team. Carlyle has not, yet.

Yeah you said it better than me lol.

[IH8PU]

5 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I have not got to see him play in person, but he does have something to him for sure.

Gut feeling ... you will have to watch him play for NC State next year.

[Stuhoo]

7 minutes ago, Shooter said:

I do not agree at all with that first sentence. I love the Rice addition. For the 2 guard spot,  it's not that complicated -  some people prefer the guy who has already made "the leap", over the guy who hasn''t yet.

It's not an anti-Carlyle sentiment. He is clearly talented, and may very well make that leap next season. But Conwell already made it. He has already shown he's capable of being a key contributor and efficient shooter on volume for a good team. Carlyle has not, yet.

The preference makes perfect sense but there’s another factor;

Carlyle has a connection to Ya and Rice and seems to be really excited about the prospect of IU, whereas Conwell may not be as excited.

Even with NIL this isn’t like choosing a tv at Best Buy; the players who have value on the market still largely end up where they feel connected and comfortable. It appears that’s Carlyle.

[CSP]

13 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

KC

He didn't really struggle, though. 32-33% as a FR is solid to good, plus, his catch and shoot and spot up #s were well above average for a FR. 

Translation-- play him less on the ball