Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[str8baller 7,517]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Friendly remainder when comparing DeVries to Kelsey next year that the B1G will be loads better than the ACC was this last year.   Louisville finished 18-2 in the Acc.   15 of the 18 conference wins were against teams 60 NET or worse (9 of the 18 against teams over NET 100).   3 other ACC reams made the tourney.  Louisville got all 3 at home and didn’t have to play a road game against any of them. So in their road conference games they didn’t have to play a tourney quality team.  

Which is why they were an 8 or 9 seed and about 30th in Kenpom. Nice job by Kelsey rebuilding a brutal situation, but when comparing CDD I think Kelsey is closer to the floor of what you would expect. I think you look to guys like May and Pope for the higher end of the range of what to expect.  

Either way, if he falls in that range year 1, 99% of the fan base will be ecstatic. And you really don’t have to hit a grand slam in portal to just field a tourney team with IUs budget. 
 

Personally, if he wants aim a little lower and get guys with more than 1 yr of eligibility so he can hit the ground running in year 2, I would fully understand that. It will be the first year of building a team without his son in a long time and may look different than his past teams. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 90,821]

New name on ITH prospect list - Yohandry Ortiz a JUCO from Miles Community College.

https://www.mccpioneers.com/sports/mbkb/2024-25/bios/ortiz_yohandry_vnnc?view=career&pos=sh

 

ITH updated list of portal prospects.

https://www.insidethehall.com/2025/04/10/iu-basketball-transfer-portal-watch-list-april-10-2025/

Edited April 10 by Class of '66 Old Fart

[lillurk 5,132]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

He wants who he wants. FWIW,  Risley said that Coach Devries flat out told that conference call that he wants:

• Bigs that can trail, shoot well from the perimeter, and play on the wing with the ball in their hands
• Guards that can
  • pressure full court,
  • screen for the other guards,
  • have strength going to the rim, and 
  • don't rely too much on threes.
• Wings that do not stand on the perimeter waiting for a catch and shoot opportunity.

Whereas Mike Woodson wanted kinda the opposite:

• Bigs that could post up, rim protect, and get out on the break
• Guards that could play off of perimeter screens from the bigs and curl
• Wings that stood on the perimeter for a catch and shoot opportunity when the post got doubled.

If Darian Devries' assessment of players that fit his vision stinks we will end up with a team that stinks. 

If he knows what he's doing and gets players that fit his vision we will do well.

And FWIW, Enright, Tucker Devries, and Bailey fit that vision to a tee. Goode does not. Too soon to tell with Sisley. Seems to me that Comer as a rotation guard would fit his guard profile really well, and Pack would not.

 

Great post. I’ll add that Goode played well in a system that asked more of its forwards at Illinois, so I don’t expect he’ll put the ball on the deck a lot but he can be more of a movement shooter than he was this year.

None of the guards in the mix* yet really make the defense sweat with rim pressure. If/when they add a Wilkerson or similar, I wonder if the next hunt will be a downhill guard.

*can’t speak to the Juco guy’s ability on this.

[Scotty R 3,700]

I think we as fans need to put our trust in to coach Devries in how he wants to build his roster. He has proven over the years that he can build a roster and he successful with it. I know I am ready to actually have a team that fits together and plays as a team and not be a collection of talent. I want the sum to be greater that the parts assembled. I am tired where the parts are greater than the sum. We have seen what we have been when all a coach cares about is getting an all star team together.

[Demo 23,628]

8 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

New name on ITH prospect list - Yohandry Ortiz a JUCO from Miles College.

https://www.mccpioneers.com/sports/mbkb/2024-25/bios/ortiz_yohandry_vnnc?view=career&pos=sh

 

ITH updated list of portal prospects.

https://www.insidethehall.com/2025/04/10/iu-basketball-transfer-portal-watch-list-april-10-2025/

Watched a half of Ortiz last night. Good looking athlete. Pretty stroke. Handle is pretty loose. Really inconsistent defensive effort. Will probably watch more of him tonight since it looks like IU is his best offer so far. 
Side note: if you’re looking for games of his you need to look for Miles COMMUNITY College. If you just look for Miles College you get a different school.

[Chris007 62,531]

3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I think we as fans need to put our trust in to coach Devries in how he wants to build his roster. He has proven over the years that he can build a roster and he successful with it. I know I am ready to actually have a team that fits together and plays as a team and not be a collection of talent. I want the sum to be greater that the parts assembled. I am tired where the parts are greater than the sum. We have seen what we have been when all a coach cares about is getting an all star team together.

We had a lot of people say the same thing last year. Blind trust is never the answer. It's ok to say I'm not sure that piece fits and then later  on come back and say I see what coach was doing with this guy now. I think with the roster he's going to put together, there will be a lot of guys we just don't know a lot about. But he has full trust, just not blind loyalty. 

[lillurk 5,132]

2 minutes ago, Demo said:

Watched a half of Ortiz last night. Good looking athlete. Pretty stroke. Handle is pretty loose. Really inconsistent defensive effort. Will probably watch more of him tonight since it looks like IU is his best offer so far. 
Side note: if you’re looking for games of his you need to look for Miles COMMUNITY College. If you just look for Miles College you get a different school.

Was hoping you’d have thoughts. The raw defensive stl/blk #s were really low and without watching, I wondered if it was energy conservation for offense, lack of athleticism, scheme, or some combo. 

[IUGRAD06 932]

2 minutes ago, Demo said:

Watched a half of Ortiz last night. Good looking athlete. Pretty stroke. Handle is pretty loose. Really inconsistent defensive effort. Will probably watch more of him tonight since it looks like IU is his best offer so far. 
Side note: if you’re looking for games of his you need to look for Miles COMMUNITY College. If you just look for Miles College you get a different school.

With the JUCO ruling as well I think he would get four years so a development piece as well.  Nice athlete like you said, nice shooting percentages, etc. 

[IUGRAD06 932]

Just now, lillurk said:

Was hoping you’d have thoughts. The raw defensive stl/blk #s were really low and without watching, I wondered if it was energy conservation for offense, lack of athleticism, scheme, or some combo. 

Lots of JUCO is like AAU ball.  It’s a problem.  

[str8baller 7,517]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

don't rely too much on threes.

WVU shot a ton of 3’s last year but didn’t shoot them very well. I’m sure the latter was affected by Tucker’s injury.  His teams at Drake were more of a mixed bag in that regard. A couple teams looked closer to Woodys profile in that they had a high percentage but low attempt rate. 
 

Re guys like Comer, people forget we need a bench and it will have a handful of guys who get sporadic minutes at best. We’ll sign some guys who barely see the floor next year. For example, Hatton had some supporters (and maybe a few detractors) but was largely inconsequential . He was a piece to fill out the bench which he did a nice job of. I can’t be bothered to worry about some of these guys until I see the final roster.  
 

As far as Enright goes I look at one of his former players he brought to WVU and said similar things about (“culture and familiarity”) in Yesufu. He was a backup because they also signed Small. I won’t worry about a enright/comer back court until we use all our scholarships and don’t have another lead guard signed. 

[Artie86 3,500]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

We had a lot of people say the same thing last year. Blind trust is never the answer. It's ok to say I'm not sure that piece fits and then later  on come back and say I see what coach was doing with this guy now. I think with the roster he's going to put together, there will be a lot of guys we just don't know a lot about. But he has full trust, just not blind loyalty. 

....yep, perfect example last year.

National insiders, sports writers and fans were mostly thinking when the BIGTEN got here, we would struggle and see how different it was from JMU success.

Well, we all know how that worked out for IU and Coach Cignetti. His "Blueprint" and his "Process" oriented fomat was the real deal.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 90,821]

13 minutes ago, Demo said:

Side note: if you’re looking for games of his you need to look for Miles COMMUNITY College. If you just look for Miles College you get a different school.

Edited my original post.  Thanks.

[dwtaylor1055 1,975]

Run and Gun style offense.  Rebound, look to score in under 12 seconds and shoot 3s.  will be totally night and day difference from Mike Woodson's offense. 

[jermhoosierfan 296]

12 hours ago, Chris007 said:

A guy I went to VU with ended up at UNLV. Shawn Marion. Coach Knight came to see him and after the game he told RMK that he didn’t need to hear his speech because he wasn’t offering anything. 

I was at VU 2 or 3 years after he Marion left, and they had a banner in the gym with him and a couple of others on it that they were in the NBA.  The coach who was teaching our "walking" class bragged about him for the first 2 or 3 classes.  

[Demo 23,628]

30 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Edited my original post.  Thanks.

It was actually pretty funny because there are Miles College games on YouTube as well  and I found 1 of those first. But watched maybe 2 trips through the layup line and it was painfully clear that there were no D1 kids on THAT team.

[lillurk 5,132]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Also to be filed under the category of "what Darian Devries is/isn't looking for?" I'm not thinking he is all that concerned with recruiting a rim protector.

For the last four years Darian Devries' teams have had the following leaders in per game blocked shots:

• 1.1
• 2.0
• 0.6
• 1.5

----> Average: 1.3 blocked shots per game

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Whereas Mike Woodson very much wanted a rim protector and absolutely recruited for it each year.

In Woody's four years as IU coach our leading shot blocker averaged:

• 2.3
• 2.9
• 1.9
• 1.3

----> Average: 2.17 blocked shots per game

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Do we need a prototype rim protector to win and win big? Apparently not. Florida's leading shot blocker this year was Condon at 1.3 blocked shots per game.

To compare Woodson and Devries' roster style? Every year for the past four (Woody's time in college hoops), Woodson's teams averaged more team blocked shots and more team turnovers than Devries'.

 

 

I disagree a little here in that part of the difference in bpg is in minutes. UF’s Condon blocked 5.5% of opponent shots while on the floor; Omar Ball blocked 4.9%, but Ballo played 70% of IU’s minutes and Condon 58% of UF’s.

WVU C Eduardo Andre, who transferred from Fresno last year to play for DDV, blocked 9.6% of opponent shots but only played 40.5% of minutes, starting 9 of 31 games. For reference TJD blocked 9% of opponent shots as a senior but played almost double that, 78.7% of IU’s minutes.

DDV’s Drake teams were hit-or-miss on having a high block% player; a couple of years he had a guy play ~60% of minutes with a pretty good block rate, in the 6% range.

Anyway, all told I do expect a rim protector but it might be a 16-22 minute type of guy who screens and finishes at the rim but isn’t gonna post or pass whereas, as you said, Woody wanted his bigs to be rim protectors AND offensive hubs.

The two-way big who is an offensive hub is really hard to find at the college level, so I like DDV’s approach. Occasionally a school at IU’s level has a guy like that but you can’t do it every year.

[lillurk 5,132]

@str8baller Stu was specifically talking about DDV’s guards not necessarily being high-volume 3 point shooters, not the offense overall

[HinnyHoosier 6,623]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Friendly remainder when comparing DeVries to Kelsey next year that the B1G will be loads better than the ACC was this last year.   Louisville finished 18-2 in the Acc.   15 of the 18 conference wins were against teams 60 NET or worse (9 of the 18 against teams over NET 100).   3 other ACC reams made the tourney.  Louisville got all 3 at home and didn’t have to play a road game against any of them. So in their road conference games they didn’t have to play a tourney quality team.  

Good info. Really want to pass this along to Louisville boards just to see the reaction.

[str8baller 7,517]

4 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

Run and Gun style offense.  Rebound, look to score in under 12 seconds and shoot 3s.  will be totally night and day difference from Mike Woodson's offense. 

WVUs pace last year was ranked 331. 
 

His last four years at Drake were ranked in pace at: 148, 220, 228, and 101. Average to maybe slightly below. Woodys teams were faster than that most years. 
 

He may play like you describe, but it would establish a departure from his past teams. 
 

(All rankings are from Kenpom)

[dwtaylor1055 1,975]

2 minutes ago, str8baller said:

WVUs pace last year was ranked 331. 
 

His last four years at Drake were ranked in pace at: 148, 220, 228, and 101. Average to maybe slightly below. Woodys teams were faster than that most years. 
 

He may play like you describe, but it would establish a departure from his past teams. 
 

(All rankings are from Kenpom)

that is fair.  I think the pace he played at was more due to the resources available to him to put a team on the court imo.  Should be no reason to run and shoot.  IMO based on who we have brought in thus far, we want to score and score quickly.  All commits thus far can stroke the 3 ball