Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Scotty R 2,422]

6 minutes ago, VFury said:

Look, we could either cling to the past and try desperately to bring back something that hasn't existed for a generation, or look to the future and put together the best possible program in the modern era. This thought process is why IU has sucked the better part of 25 years.

Why we sucked is that we went away from what made IU great. A culture and foundation of a program built on hard work, toughness and playing as a team. We went away from our recruiting strategies and tried to go the route of getting the highest rated players as possible. It use to be about evaluating and developing players and now it is about paying the most money for entitled players.

It is time to go back to what made IU great and that is get a hard nosed coach who will instill a culture built around the team and not individuals. It is time to go back to recruiting our hot bed area and getting the very best of Indiana high school players then going out from Indiana. It is time to go back to having the whole being greater than it's parts and build a program and not a team.

[VFury 60]

1 minute ago, IUFAN1976 said:

There’s a few of us on the same page, but others say we are living in the past but Turdue isn’t past, it’s the present.  

Matt Painter is a very forward thinking coach, the fact he's an alum is just a happy coincidence. Also, he coached 12 years before advancing past the sweet 16 and completely bottomed out for 2 years. we would have fired him long before he became as successful as he has been.

[Scotty R 2,422]

12 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Our own worst enemy 

I have figured out that you are IndianaResident16 over on HSN

[Golfman25 5,862]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Will Wade's teams have finished in the top 25 exactly ONCE.  

There is a reason that Chris Beard's transgressions only dropped him a lower power 5 team and Will Wade's dropped him into a low major.  The funny thing that AH thinks the world of Will Wade but guess who didn't come calling for Will Wade when their spots opened up last off-season?  Drake didn't.  St.Louis didn't.  Wade sure as heck isn't going to have his next stop be a high major.

I make no comment regarding Beard or Wade.  I just wouldn't disqualify someone who violated some BS NCAA rule 10 years ago that no longer exists.  They would still have to fit the university, have a winning basketball record, etc.  

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6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Don’t read it and then certainly don’t respond to it.

Or you could just post it in the appropriate thread. I suppose that may be too complicated.

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[AH1971 1,715]

5 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I have figured out that you are IndianaResident16 over on HSN

I don’t know what the means

[Golfman25 5,862]

2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

You can count on one hand the number of schools whose fans expect their team to win at the level IU fans expect. The only issue is that IU is the one school who hasn't done it in 30+ years. 

What level is that?  Asking for a true fan.  :)  

[Scotty R 2,422]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

I don’t know what the means

I am saying that your user name on HSN in IndianaResident16 since you have the same style of posting

[VFury 60]

8 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Why we sucked is that we went away from what made IU great. A culture and foundation of a program built on hard work, toughness and playing as a team. We went away from our recruiting strategies and tried to go the route of getting the highest rated players as possible. It use to be about evaluating and developing players and now it is about paying the most money for entitled players.

It is time to go back to what made IU great and that is get a hard nosed coach who will instill a culture built around the team and not individuals. It is time to go back to recruiting our hot bed area and getting the very best of Indiana high school players then going out from Indiana. It is time to go back to having the whole being greater than it's parts and build a program and not a team.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. This exact thing won a lot of games in the 70's and 80's. It's meaningless now. You can point to Painter all you want, but he is a very modern coach who isn't who you think he is. He's one of the best offensive minds in the game. To think your just gonna be among the best by simply working hard, going to class, and bounce passing it better than everyone else is delusional and, again, why IU has sucked for 25 years.

[AH1971 1,715]

1 minute ago, Scotty R said:

I am saying that your user name on HSN in IndianaResident16 since you have the same style of posting

Like I said, I don’t know what that means. What is HSN?

[steubenhoosier 1,128]

19 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Agreed. I, too, was fortunate enough to witness Bob Knight's glory years in the early '70s through the mid '90s...through the years, Knight and Keady battled each other, but both taught the game, developed young boys into men who understood a lot about doing your job, doing it the right way and just flat working hard. Sadly, the farm school up north has continued that work in the person of Matt Painter, and Indiana has floundered with clowns and incompetence.

It's pretty depressing, actually, and even more so that the clown leading the program today was a product of Knight's mentoring.

I was there as well. First season watching was 1972.

The comparison holds kind of true. RMK set the bar higher than Keady ever could. The IU fanbase expectations are greater because of this. May in part explain why our fanbase is more impatient and expresses the angst that they do.

 

[OKHOOSIER 3,268]

26 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I think on the surface it's fair to view it that way, but don't see how you can ignore his performance at Georgia. If we need to give coaches time to build, fail, learn, and then grow as you put it... it seems Crean did not learn and then subsequently grow. 

And what do you make of the talk about HS coaches in Indiana supposedly no longer supporting him? 

It’s far more nuanced than that, and I suspect he knows that. Firing Crean was the right move. Hiring Archie didn’t work out, it is what it is. I thought Archie would win. He didn’t. I thought Mike Woodson would set us back another stretch, and he has. Conflating Archie not working and Woodson not working is just as obtuse as ignoring everything but the good with TC. 
 

I do applaud your patience with the double speak bad faith arguments where the goal posts move like when Vandy beat Bama last year lol

[IUFAN1976 3,842]

44 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Agreed... and we still have an incompetent, entitled and arrogant man in the coaching position... let's start with getting him fired, first and foremost.

Exactly, seems some are putting the cart before the horse 

[OKHOOSIER 3,268]

15 minutes ago, VFury said:

Matt Painter is a very forward thinking coach, the fact he's an alum is just a happy coincidence. Also, he coached 12 years before advancing past the sweet 16 and completely bottomed out for 2 years. we would have fired him long before he became as successful as he has been.

I mean acting like Purdue fans were all okay with Painter getting more time is revisionist history lol, they had a completely fractured fanbase of Sainters VS Ainters. It worked out for them, cool, but it wasn’t some smooth line to him not getting fired or leaving for another job. 

[AZ Hoosier 8,070]

6 minutes ago, VFury said:

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. This exact thing won a lot of games in the 70's and 80's. It's meaningless now. You can point to Painter all you want, but he is a very modern coach who isn't who you think he is. He's one of the best offensive minds in the game. To think your just gonna be among the best by simply working hard, going to class, and bounce passing it better than everyone else is delusional and, again, why IU has sucked for 25 years.

The style of play is different today, but the fundamentals (no pun intended) still apply. Define a winning culture, recruit to that culture, develop players for all roles - "stars" and contributors ("role players"), play hard nose defense and a modern offense. Develop a system and recruit players who fit that system...

[IUFAN1976 3,842]

28 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Yep. After I typed that about Painter, I realized it is equally true for Curt Cignetti.

Cignetti definitely recruits to his system and how he wants his players to play

[Scotty R 2,422]

6 minutes ago, VFury said:

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. This exact thing won a lot of games in the 70's and 80's. It's meaningless now. You can point to Painter all you want, but he is a very modern coach who isn't who you think he is. He's one of the best offensive minds in the game. To think your just gonna be among the best by simply working hard, going to class, and bounce passing it better than everyone else is delusional and, again, why IU has sucked for 25 years.

Where have I talked about playing style but a culture that obviously you don't understand. You won't win by just paying players that don't fit a system. Did UCONN just build through NIL and the portal or did they build through a culture that their coach instills.

 

[AH1971 1,715]

1 minute ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I mean acting like Purdue fans were all okay with Painter getting more time is revisionist history lol, they had a completely fractured fanbase of Sainters VS Ainters. It worked out for them, cool, but it wasn’t some smooth line to him not getting fired or leaving for another job. 

There was a small(ish) sect of Purdue fans who wanted Painter fired. I think every fan base has those types of fans at any given juncture. But they certainly didn’t have Purdue media publications writing hit pieces about him or declaring the entire team was transferring or board “insiders” hammering home that the administration had deals in place with sitting HoF caliber coaches all while in-season.

A little bit different.

[Scotty R 2,422]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The style of play is different today, but the fundamentals (no pun intended) still apply. Define a winning culture, recruit to that culture, develop players for all roles - "stars" and contributors ("role players"), play hard nose defense and a modern offense. Develop a system and recruit players who fit that system...

Just look to UCONN for that