Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

20 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

What is the overall feeling on why several do not want Alford.  What has he done or not done to make him not desirable?  Serious question since we have been horrible the past several years with other coaches.  

For me, there are several things. First was the Pierre Pierce thing. Still can't believe that, and he only apologized to get the UCLA job.

He was pretty good at Manchester College, and good enough at SW Missouri State to get the Iowa gig. But his record since then has been a series of ups and downs.

He does recruit better than Woodson, but so do you and I.

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

6 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Why not offer Painter?  We've got the money.  Even if he doesn't come, Purdue will have to pony up big bucks.  

That thought has seriously crossed my mind. I like Matt Painter a lot. He's probably untouchable right now, and may not be interested in leaving everything that he's build in W Lafayette, but I could definitely get on that train.

[Kentuckysucks 2,395]

2 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

For me, there are several things. First was the Pierre Pierce thing. Still can't believe that, and he only apologized to the the UCLA job.

He was pretty good at Manchester College, and good enough at SW Missouri State to get the Iowa gig. But his record since then has been a series of ups and downs.

He does recruit better than Woodson, but so do you and I.

Was excellent at New Mexico.  Probably should've stayed there.

[68Hoosier 636]

4 minutes ago, lillurk said:

 

I think the quick answer is something like

1. He got a shot at a blue blood and didn’t get past the S16, and

2. he’s not at an age where he’s a long term upside play.

There’s more too. Mishandled at least one player misconduct situation egregiously, doesn’t move the needle with recruits, so on.

At least when IU hired CMW you could say he had some NBA guys in his corner, league connections would appeal to recruits, he had some theoretical pluses. Alford doesn’t even have that juice.

I have heard those same things but if you look at where we are we have only made the Touney 2 times in the last ??? years.  We got a guy right now that is old enough to be his dad, and we have some who would bring back Sampson in the name of winning.  If you know your limitation as we did when we hired CMW then we could put the same type of GM in place to help with areas, we think he lacks. 

 

Not saying he is the man just saying we have done way worse based on the standards we are holding him to, IMO.

 

[JF87 1,517]

4 minutes ago, lillurk said:

 

I think the quick answer is something like

1. He got a shot at a blue blood and didn’t get past the S16, and

2. he’s not at an age where he’s a long term upside play.

There’s more too. Mishandled at least one player misconduct situation egregiously, doesn’t move the needle with recruits, so on.

At least when IU hired CMW you could say he had some NBA guys in his corner, league connections would appeal to recruits, he had some theoretical pluses. Alford doesn’t even have that juice.

I think you're mostly right about Alford.  That window is now closed. I don't think Alford would have attracted out-of-state top 30 guys like Woodson has.  However, I do think about 20 years ago, he would have dominated in-state recruiting. Alford would have been a consistent winner at IU, but the Sweet 16 is about his ceiling. 

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

8 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Was excellent at New Mexico.  Probably should've stayed there.

He was good with wins/losses - won at a 75% clip.

But he was in the Mountain West Conference, not a P4 school. His post season record was pretty unspectacular:

NIT first round, NIT second round (twice), NCAA round of 64, NCAA round of 32 (twice). 

So, yeah, he got his team into A post season tournament, but never got past the second round.

[68Hoosier 636]

4 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

He was good with wins/losses - won at a 75% clip.

But he was in the Mountain West Conference, not a P4 school. His post season record was pretty unspectacular:

NIT first round, NIT second round (twice), NCAA round of 64, NCAA round of 32 (twice). 

So, yeah, he got his team into A post season tournament, but never got past the second round.

so, he went to the NCAA tournament more than Woodson and Miller combined at new mexico.   Plus he has won the BTT more than IU.

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

1 minute ago, 68Hoosier said:

so, he went to the NCAA tournament more than Woodson and Miller combined at new mexico.  

So did Mike Davis and Tom Crean. What's your point?

[68Hoosier 636]

1 minute ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

So did Mike Davis and Tom Crean. What's your point?

No point just saying we are in a bad spot, and I don't understand the standards he is being held to.

[coonhounds 9,239]

We will never know so it don't matter! I would bet a ton though if the hire was alford and not mediocre mike we would be rolling right now. He is a he'll of a coach. He wouldn't need nba guys in his corner as I believe his indiana ties would have helped in recruiting. Now back to firing Mike woodson!

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[68Hoosier 636]

Just now, coonhounds said:

We will never know so it don't matter! I would bet a ton though if the hire was alford and not mediocre mike we would be rolling right now. He is a he'll of a coach. He wouldn't need nba guys in his corner as I believe his indiana ties would have helped in recruiting. Now back to firing Mike woodson!

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Fire Mike Woodson!!!!!  LOL

[JSHoosier 20,420]

3 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

We will never know so it don't matter! I would bet a ton though if the hire was alford and not mediocre mike we would be rolling right now. He is a he'll of a coach. He wouldn't need nba guys in his corner as I believe his indiana ties would have helped in recruiting. Now back to firing Mike woodson!

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Well he'd be the best coach we've had since Crean.

[str8baller 5,513]

34 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Why not offer Painter?  We've got the money.  Even if he doesn't come, Purdue will have to pony up big bucks.  

He plays slow and feeds the post on offense. Everyone here knows you can’t win that way :)

[68Hoosier 636]

Just now, str8baller said:

He plays slow and feeds the post on offense. Everyone here knows you can’t win that way :)

with guys from Indiana.   You can't build a program like that.  LOL

[lillurk 3,793]

31 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

I have heard those same things but if you look at where we are we have only made the Touney 2 times in the last ??? years.  We got a guy right now that is old enough to be his dad, and we have some who would bring back Sampson in the name of winning.  If you know your limitation as we did when we hired CMW then we could put the same type of GM in place to help with areas, we think he lacks. 

 

Not saying he is the man just saying we have done way worse based on the standards we are holding him to, IMO.

 

I just think you can aim higher, even within that archetype. We should be wiser than to assume he’ll be amazing just because he went to IU, that’s not some secret sauce.

[lillurk 3,793]

30 minutes ago, JF87 said:

I think you're mostly right about Alford.  That window is now closed. I don't think Alford would have attracted out-of-state top 30 guys like Woodson has.  However, I do think about 20 years ago, he would have dominated in-state recruiting. Alford would have been a consistent winner at IU, but the Sweet 16 is about his ceiling. 

As a person who was in high school 20 years ago, I don’t think he would’ve been some special recruiter. My classmates and teammates hadn’t watched him play.

He would’ve made our parents happy, I guess.

[Hornsby 2,205]

I have heard those same things but if you look at where we are we have only made the Touney 2 times in the last ??? years.  We got a guy right now that is old enough to be his dad, and we have some who would bring back Sampson in the name of winning.  If you know your limitation as we did when we hired CMW then we could put the same type of GM in place to help with areas, we think he lacks. 
 
Not saying he is the man just saying we have done way worse based on the standards we are holding him to, IMO.
 

After another year of Woodson alford may be the best we can do. This program will be a mess next spring.

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[Hoosierinbham 178]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

And I guarantee you Woodson had way more talent than any of those other teams.  Tells you how bad of a coach he is

And the B1G was much worse as a conference this year as well. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,820]

17 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

We will never know so it don't matter! I would bet a ton though if the hire was alford and not mediocre mike we would be rolling right now. He is a he'll of a coach. He wouldn't need nba guys in his corner as I believe his indiana ties would have helped in recruiting. Now back to firing Mike woodson!

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I wouldn’t go as far as to call him a hell of a coach, but he’s definitely better than Woodson and would likely have above average results here. Probably similar to at UCLA. 

[68Hoosier 636]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

After another year of Woodson alford may be the best we can do. This program will be a mess next spring.

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I think we are a mess now.... LOL