IUBB vs Rutgers - 03/02/22 @ 7:00 on BTN

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

24 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

When I’m fed a sh** sandwich, I don’t pretend that it tastes good. We haven’t made it past the sweet 16 in 20 years. We have only made 3 sweet 16s in the past 20 years. We’ve only made 4 tournaments since 2008. We haven’t made the tournament since 2016. Since then, we’ve finished T-10th, T-6th, 9th, T-10th, T-10th, and 9th in the conference. We suck, and we’ve sucked for the better part of two decades. I don’t know an IU basketball program that’s elite. I was a 1st grader the last time we played in an elite 8. 

As for sucking in the future, what has the administration done to make you think we won’t keep sucking? They’ve done nothing to suggest that they’re serious about winning big. We needed a big splash to right the ship when we fired Archie. What did we do? We hired a 63 year old failed NBA head coach with zero college coaching experience because he played at IU 4+ decades ago. He somehow took over a bad offense and made it even worse. If you’re optimistic for the future that’s your prerogative, but it’s blind optimism not based on the reality of our program. 

I liked all of the coaching hires plus Matta for several different reasons, and I don't see the coaching staff + Matta as a negative for lots of good reasons. I see the staff+ as a positive. I also like guys on the team you may even hate, guys Woody brought in, and guys he asked to stay committed to the program in transition. I like X a lot, and I like Geronimo and Bates coming up a lot, and I love Race, and like Trey a lot too. I hope TJD comes back for another year because I like him too, a lot. There's more. You could end up being right in the end, and maybe IU will suck for a long time now. I would probably walk away from being a fan if all I saw was suckiness and sadness and disappointment in the future. I am actually looking forward to the Purdue game, and looking forward to the Big Ten Tournament because I actually still see a chance to get into the NCAA tournament, and who knows what happens then if our guys can get in? I haven't given up. Stranger things have happened than what could happen for IU this year. They could get into the tournament, and it is possible they could win some there too. I wouldn't bother to watch if I thought everything was hopeless. What would the point be in investing so much time and energy into inevitable failure?

[Hoosierfan2017 23,852]

22 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You also don't have to continue to eat the sh*t sandwich. :-)

I could, but when passionate fans quit caring your program really dies. I hate to say it, but the fans who saw the glory years are getting older, and the younger fans have seen little glory. I’m so negative because I want the program to be great, I see no reason why it shouldn’t be great, but it’s not great. 

[Hoosierfan2017 23,852]

27 minutes ago, chicagoHOOSIER said:

I liked all of the coaching hires plus Matta for several different reasons, and I don't see the coaching staff + Matta as a negative for lots of good reasons. I see the staff+ as a positive. I also like guys on the team you may even hate, guys Woody brought in, and guys he asked to stay committed to the program in transition. I like X a lot, and I like Geronimo and Bates coming up a lot, and I love Race, and like Trey a lot too. I hope TJD comes back for another year because I like him too, a lot. There's more. You could end up being right in the end, and maybe IU will suck for a long time now. I would probably walk away from being a fan if all I saw was suckiness and sadness and disappointment in the future. I am actually looking forward to the Purdue game, and looking forward to the Big Ten Tournament because I actually still see a chance to get into the NCAA tournament, and who knows what happens then if our guys can get in? I haven't given up. Stranger things have happened than what could happen for IU this year. They could get into the tournament, and it is possible they could win some there too. I wouldn't bother to watch if I thought everything was hopeless. What would the point be in investing so much time and energy into inevitable failure?

I don’t ‘hate,’ any of our players. I’ve never met any of them, but they seem like nice enough kids. They’re just not the caliber of talent I want on our team. We want elite results but we’re never going to get that with middling talent and middling coaching. 

Maybe it seems like I invest ‘so much time and energy,’ idk, but I really don’t. I post a handful of times on here a day when I’m bored or when things are slow at work, sometimes more sometimes less. I don’t watch as much as I used to. I watched about half of the Rutgers game. Didn’t watch any of the Minnesota game. Maybe that’s the natural progression. From appointment television, to watching most games, to watching some games, etc. 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,842]

1 hour ago, chicagoHOOSIER said:

IU sucks and will without question continue to suck in the future and beyond. Every speculation on any topic arrives at the suckiest possible conclusion no matter which path IU took in the past or will take in the future except for whatever monthly point you are currently pushing that will never happen. Off the top of my head, according to you we should not have hired Woody, even though also according to you nobody else would have come here anyway, because everything here sucks so bad everybody with any sense in or around IU should rightfully hate life itself. All of our players suck, but they should all leave and go somewhere else as soon as possible because everything sucks so bad here nobody good will ever come here, and they shouldn't, and that's never going to change because our program consists of nothing but losers in loserville top-to-bottom. It has been that way for 20 years, and will be 20 years from now at least without question no matter what we do except for this one position of the month you want to push in every thread.

I'm not taking any side here at all, only saying that I thoroughly enjoyed reading this b/c it's basically my exact pouting stream of consciousness in my head for at least 10 minutes after every excruciating loss we have. :-)  

[NashvilleHoosier 3,842]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

We had C who has the best-left hand in cbb within 2 feet. 

I don't have the stats to back this up, but left hands in CBB within 2 feet must we way down if his is the best. 

[Hoosier Guy 8,089]

50 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I could, but when passionate fans quit caring your program really dies. I hate to say it, but the fans who saw the glory years are getting older, and the younger fans have seen little glory. I’m so negative because I want the program to be great, I see no reason why it shouldn’t be great, but it’s not great. 

You and I are in agreement in terms of expectations for the program. IU should be elite with all the factors they have around them.  There’s no reason IU shouldn’t get back to elite status

[Chris007 57,070]

2 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I don't have the stats to back this up, but left hands in CBB within 2 feet must we way down if his is the best. 

I was thinking he misses the bunnies from 3 feet but you are probably correct. I was just trying to throw in something positive

[Uspshoosier 51,605]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If you’re optimistic for the future that’s your prerogative, but it’s blind optimism not based on the reality of our program. 

90% of free team message boards is going to be filled with people that are going to take an optimistic approach.  Just the way it is.  Most people probably don’t want to spend their free time on a board and being negative.  Doesn’t make it right or wrong it’s just the way it is going to go down.   If someone want to be optimistic or even blindly optimistic that’s their choice just like if someone wants to come on here and be negative that’s their choice but they should know going in that they will be in the minority.   You posted the numbers everyone sees and knows where IU is as a program it’s just different posters have different ways with coping with this.   Some deal with it by positing about being optimistic about the future despite on court results, some minimize the importance of what IU basketball means to them and let’s people know that apathy has set in,   some hold on to the past and are optimistic  that with the right coaching change things will change despite 20 years of mediocrity and some are just tired of being mediocre and come here and vent.   No wrong answer.   We as a fan base are all in the some position with being invested in a program that isn’t where any of us want it.   Only difference is how each poster copes with that fact 

[Dillion 407]

I think I'm going to look at it like this
We had a PG who was hot/cold with some other issues
We had a SG who could only shoot and didn't always get many shots, when he did get many shots he didn't make them
We had a SF who didn't do anything well but for some reason kept getting minutes
We had a PF who played his butt off but wasn't great at anything, also lost concentration as the game wore on
We had C who has the best-left hand in cbb within 2 feet. Blocks some shots but not much other than that.
And a bench that was blah

I know this is just an excuse but done forget the injuries to Rob and Trey. I firmly believe if those 2 are healthy all year then we have Atleast 3 more wins to our total. Again I know everyone has injuries but for a fan base and team who needs desperately to have some glimmer of hope and get to the NCAA tourney those were huge to this roster that needs a talent upgrade.


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[HoosierAloha 30,100]

50 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

90% of free team message boards is going to be filled with people that are going to take an optimistic approach.  Just the way it is.  Most people probably don’t want to spend their free time on a board and being negative.  Doesn’t make it right or wrong it’s just the way it is going to go down.   If someone want to be optimistic or even blindly optimistic that’s their choice just like if someone wants to come on here and be negative that’s their choice but they should know going in that they will be in the minority.   You posted the numbers everyone sees and knows where IU is as a program it’s just different posters have different ways with coping with this.   Some deal with it by positing about being optimistic about the future despite on court results, some minimize the importance of what IU basketball means to them and let’s people know that apathy has set in,   some hold on to the past and are optimistic  that with the right coaching change things will change despite 20 years of mediocrity and some are just tired of being mediocre and come here and vent.   No wrong answer.   We as a fan base are all in the some position with being invested in a program that isn’t where any of us want it.   Only difference is how each poster copes with that fact 

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

33 minutes ago, Dillion said:

I know this is just an excuse but done forget the injuries to Rob and Trey. I firmly believe if those 2 are healthy all year then we have Atleast 3 more wins to our total. Again I know everyone has injuries but for a fan base and team who needs desperately to have some glimmer of hope and get to the NCAA tourney those were huge to this roster that needs a talent upgrade.


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There is a lot that goes into it. IF several purdoodoo opponents weren't missing their best player they could have had several more losses. IF we would have shown up for more than a half we would have won more. Injuries are part of the game, it sucks but happens. You can't really control it. You can control your e and e, how you defend, etc. and that would have given us a few more wins to be comfortably dancing.

[Stuhoo 86,307]

Our injury losses have been equal to or less than expected over a long season. Trayce, Race, and X have missed zero games.

[Hoosier Guy 8,089]

As much as this program irritates me sometimes, I’ll always be here. I’m going to be here for when IU finally gets back to prominence. I have no love for any other collegiate team but IU. That’ll never change

[Chris007 57,070]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

90% of free team message boards is going to be filled with people that are going to take an optimistic approach.  Just the way it is.  Most people probably don’t want to spend their free time on a board and being negative.  Doesn’t make it right or wrong it’s just the way it is going to go down.   If someone want to be optimistic or even blindly optimistic that’s their choice just like if someone wants to come on here and be negative that’s their choice but they should know going in that they will be in the minority.   You posted the numbers everyone sees and knows where IU is as a program it’s just different posters have different ways with coping with this.   Some deal with it by positing about being optimistic about the future despite on court results, some minimize the importance of what IU basketball means to them and let’s people know that apathy has set in,   some hold on to the past and are optimistic  that with the right coaching change things will change despite 20 years of mediocrity and some are just tired of being mediocre and come here and vent.   No wrong answer.   We as a fan base are all in the some position with being invested in a program that isn’t where any of us want it.   Only difference is how each poster copes with that fact 

I'm a blind loyalty type of guy. I will always think IU is going to be good. I will think the glass is half full each time and be overly positive. It's good to have different types of people though. I have always thought you can start each day by being positive or negative, I prefer positive. 

[RaceToTheTop 29,122]

21 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

Sidney Lowe. Fred Hoiberg.

Lowe, Ewing, Penny and Mullin were enlisted to "rescue" their alma maters. But I believe among that group, only Johnson, Lowe and Hoiberg were NBA head coaches. Well ... and Woody, too.

Hoiberg was a college HC, then went to the NBA, then returned to college. So far, his second go-round isn't faring well. 

Where does Larry Brown fit?  Been everywhere at both levels.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

90% of free team message boards is going to be filled with people that are going to take an optimistic approach.  Just the way it is.  Most people probably don’t want to spend their free time on a board and being negative.  Doesn’t make it right or wrong it’s just the way it is going to go down.   If someone want to be optimistic or even blindly optimistic that’s their choice just like if someone wants to come on here and be negative that’s their choice but they should know going in that they will be in the minority.   You posted the numbers everyone sees and knows where IU is as a program it’s just different posters have different ways with coping with this.   Some deal with it by positing about being optimistic about the future despite on court results, some minimize the importance of what IU basketball means to them and let’s people know that apathy has set in,   some hold on to the past and are optimistic  that with the right coaching change things will change despite 20 years of mediocrity and some are just tired of being mediocre and come here and vent.   No wrong answer.   We as a fan base are all in the some position with being invested in a program that isn’t where any of us want it.   Only difference is how each poster copes with that fact 

Great post and you are 100% correct.  I am optimistic about the future and even though he still has a lot to learn about CBB, there were some bright spots this season.  Barring a miracle finish, it didn’t meet my expectations but some players didn’t produce as expected and just maybe my expectations were a little high.  But all-in-all the season wasn’t horrible and I believe we were in about every game we lost and with a 3 pointer or two or a better bounce of the ball, maybe everyone would be discussing the season differently

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

2 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Where does Larry Brown fit?  Been everywhere at both levels.

And don’t forget Rick Pitino

[RaceToTheTop 29,122]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Our injury losses have been equal to or less than expected over a long season. Trayce, Race, and X have missed zero games.

Know the funny thing?  On one hand, our players were unaffected by having to sit out games due to covid.....but on the other hand, we never really played anybody who had pieces out for covid either.

[RaceToTheTop 29,122]

25 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm a blind loyalty type of guy. I will always think IU is going to be good. I will think the glass is half full each time and be overly positive. It's good to have different types of people though. I have always thought you can start each day by being positive or negative, I prefer positive. 

If I don't enjoy the good times with a friend more than you dislike the time you spend around them when they are annoying, it's not the friend's fault you stick around.

It's been a frustrating season, but whatever happens from here out I don't wish that I just skipped watching the season.  As frustrating as the last 19 years have been, I won't go to the grave dwelling on the losses to Fort Wayne.  I'll remember things like the Zeller/Dipo/Ferrell years, the Pritchard putback, the Watshot, the Phinisee three against Purdue.

[Hoosierfan2017 23,852]

16 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

If I don't enjoy the good times with a friend more than you dislike the time you spend around them when they are annoying, it's not the friend's fault you stick around.

It's been a frustrating season, but whatever happens from here out I don't wish that I just skipped watching the season.  As frustrating as the last 19 years have been, I won't go to the grave dwelling on the losses to Fort Wayne.  I'll remember things like the Zeller/Dipo/Ferrell years, the Pritchard putback, the Watshot, the Phinisee three against Purdue.

I don’t know what your deleted post quoting me said, but I enjoy the good times. There just haven’t been very many. The highlight of the past 6 years or so was probably Romeo’s commitment day. That day was a lot of fun. Tons of hope for the future. Since then, every year has been the same. The season starts out well and then we collapse in February. It’s Groundhog Day. Even the one year we may have made the tournament before it was canceled, we started the season 15-4 and then lost 8 of the next 12 games. This year, we entered February 16-5. Easily a tournament team. Fast forward a month and we’re 18-11, losers of 6 out of the last 8. 

It makes the few bright spots we have here and there much harder to enjoy. There’s always a lingering “the collapse is coming” feeling.