IUBB vs Wisconsin - 02/15/22 @ 9:00 on ESPN2

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1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You’re right, choices have consequences. Woody chose to suspend our players for a very winnable road game because of a minor infraction and now we’re very much on the bubble. Woody wants to act like Bob Knight decades after Knight’s philosophy went out the window and without Knight’s resume. 

The players suspended themselves by make a selfish and stupid decision.

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Just now, MikeRoberts said:

I was quick to agree that it was a dumb move by the players and shows how much they care about this team and season. That’s on them.

what doesn’t make sense to me and I haven’t heard a rationale explanation is “why did we return to normalcy thereafter? That was Stewart’s second suspension this season. Why is he playing more minutes now?

please, before anyone try’s to make up a case that people are trying to say that it wasn’t the kids fault, why are the adults allowing this to continue?

what was the point of that big move, a move that was a second violation for some if they end up getting more PT? I don’t get it

I agree with this.  My argument was really with one particular poster and I guess I assumed you agreed with him.  My bad.  I'm on record in this thread that I think at this point Bates should be getting the bulk of Stewart's minutes not because he is hitting shots -- he isn't -- but because he is at least seems to be doing the right things on the court or at least doing the best he can to.  It's not a crime to miss shots, especially when they are the shots you are expected to hit.  All you can do is work to get better at it.

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3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

We have to get to the point where you don’t even need a curfew rule.  Players who take the game with the seriousness it requires.   

Agree.....but we're obviously not there.  Know who probably doesn't worry about curfews?  Mark Few.

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3 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I was quick to agree that it was a dumb move by the players and shows how much they care about this team and season. That’s on them.

what doesn’t make sense to me and I haven’t heard a rationale explanation is “why did we return to normalcy thereafter? That was Stewart’s second suspension this season. Why is he playing more minutes now?

please, before anyone try’s to make up a case that people are trying to say that it wasn’t the kids fault, why are the adults allowing this to continue?

what was the point of that big move, a move that was a second violation for some if they end up getting more PT? I don’t get it

Why not.   They broke a rule.  They got punished and sat out a game.  Why does there have to be any more punishment than that?   At some point it’s water over the damn and time to move on.  
 

I get it.  You don’t think Parker plays hard.  How do you know?   Maybe that’s all he’s got.  

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4 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

what doesn’t make sense to me and I haven’t heard a rationale explanation is “why did we return to normalcy thereafter? That was Stewart’s second suspension this season. Why is he playing more minutes now?

I’m not sure there is one and for the record my post wasn’t really pointed at anyone in particular. I’m just still trying to wrap my mind around the stupidity of the 5 that got busted and wanted to join the convo lol. Anyway, do we even know that the NKU half game was a suspension? I mean we can assume, but we don’t really know that. 
 

In any case, the obvious answer is that the staff thinks Stewart is our best chance to win. Most probably disagree with that, but the 2nd most obvious option (Bates) was part of the 5 to get busted too. I don’t personally want to see Leal getting all of the Stewart minutes. Maybe he and Bates can split that in some way, but that doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence either imo. I guess the discussion just circles back to this roster being a s**t sandwich like everything else does.

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Just now, Golfman25 said:

Why not.   They broke a rule.  They got punished and sat out a game.  Why does there have to be any more punishment than that?   At some point it’s water over the damn and time to move on.  
 

I get it.  You don’t think Parker plays hard.  How do you know?   Maybe that’s all he’s got.  

At some point you do have to wonder about a guy who really has been suspended for a half prior and then benched a second time for missing curfew.  I'm sure his demeanor makes people wonder if he's giving his all -- I do -- but the only time I've really seen any emotion from him was when Davison scraped his face.  The game where he was benched the first half earlier in the year he looked like he wanted to be anywhere but at Assembly Hall.  I think you can tell quite a bit about a player by how they act when they aren't playing.  

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4 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

What I'm bashing is the thought that we shouldn't have sat players who broke team rules.  If I mixed your thoughts on that with another posters, I apologize.

Question for you:  do you think we should not have suspended players because 'it was a winnable road game'?

First of all, I’m sorry, I have a sick toddler that hasn’t allowed me much sleep and I am still stewing about what has transpired.

onto our discussion - I am not at all opposed to Woodson suspending those players. What I would have expected there after are a few things: reduced roles for those players until they earn it back. My least favorite player in Stewart has been in my opinion giving very little effort all season on both ends of the floor and continues to play big minutes. On top of that, he has been suspended twice. 
if woody is trying to enforce his rules and establishing culture, why on earth is Stewart still playing big minutes and not just big minutes, playing more minutes?

how? Why? It’s pissing me off reading all of this when there is a giant contradiction surrounding that whole move

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1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

I’m not sure there is one and for the record my post wasn’t really pointed at anyone in particular. I’m just still trying to wrap my mind around the stupidity of the 5 that got busted and wanted to join the convo lol. Anyway, do we even know that the NKU half game was a suspension? I mean we can assume, but we don’t really know that. 
 

In any case, the obvious answer is that the staff thinks Stewart is our best chance to win. Most probably disagree with that, but the 2nd most obvious option (Bates) was part of the 5 to get busted too. I don’t personally want to see Leal getting all of the Stewart minutes. Maybe he and Bates can split that in some way, but that doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence either imo. I guess the discussion just circles back to this roster being a s**t sandwich like everything else does.

One big difference IMO is that with Bates this was -- to our knowledge -- the first issue with him.  For Durr and Stewart, it's issue #2.  And Stewart, Durr, and X have been around the block.....this is their senior year (not technically, but they've been in college for four years).  If you are making those kinds of mistakes as a senior, that's a big issue IMO.

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3 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

First of all, I’m sorry, I have a sick toddler that hasn’t allowed me much sleep and I am still stewing about what has transpired.

onto our discussion - I am not at all opposed to Woodson suspending those players. What I would have expected there after are a few things: reduced roles for those players until they earn it back. My least favorite player in Stewart has been in my opinion giving very little effort all season on both ends of the floor and continues to play big minutes. On top of that, he has been suspended twice. 
if woody is trying to enforce his rules and establishing culture, why on earth is Stewart still playing big minutes and not just big minutes, playing more minutes?

how? Why? It’s pissing me off reading all of this when there is a giant contradiction surrounding that whole move

It's all good.  Hope your toddler feels better.

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7 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

At some point you do have to wonder about a guy who really has been suspended for a half prior and then benched a second time for missing curfew.  I'm sure his demeanor makes people wonder if he's giving his all -- I do -- but the only time I've really seen any emotion from him was when Davison scraped his face.  The game where he was benched the first half earlier in the year he looked like he wanted to be anywhere but at Assembly Hall.  I think you can tell quite a bit about a player by how they act when they aren't playing.  

I was at that game.  I thought the same thing.  Maybe I’m wrong and that’s just how he plays but to me that was tough to watch.

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31 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Come on.   There are people here who want us to give players bags of cash.  

No true IU fan would ever say that.  I saw three championships won the right way and we use to get on UK for having to cheat to win.  Never eod want IU to stoop to tnay level.

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23 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Come on.   There are people here who want us to give players bags of cash.  

I mean, it is legal now so... let's live in a world where we stack the odds against ourselves? Sounds like a very IU thing to do.

It's been going on for decades (even at IU, shhhhh!). We're just too stupid to get out of our own way to be good at it.

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4 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

One big difference IMO is that with Bates this was -- to our knowledge -- the first issue with him.  For Durr and Stewart, it's issue #2.  And Stewart, Durr, and X have been around the block.....this is their senior year (not technically, but they've been in college for four years).  If you are making those kinds of mistakes as a senior, that's a big issue IMO.

Yeah. It’s a strange situation for sure. Again, we don’t even know why Stewart sat that half early on. Probably discipline, but who knows? A lot of details involved that would probably sway people’s feelings on it one or another, but no one will ever likely know. 

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3 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

No true IU fan would ever say that.  I saw three championships won the right way and we use to get on UK for having to chest to win.  Never eod want IU to stoop to tnay level.

Oh my lord. 

Surely the news got to the top of that high horse that kids can get paid now, right?

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15 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

First of all, I’m sorry, I have a sick toddler that hasn’t allowed me much sleep and I am still stewing about what has transpired.

onto our discussion - I am not at all opposed to Woodson suspending those players. What I would have expected there after are a few things: reduced roles for those players until they earn it back. My least favorite player in Stewart has been in my opinion giving very little effort all season on both ends of the floor and continues to play big minutes. On top of that, he has been suspended twice. 
if woody is trying to enforce his rules and establishing culture, why on earth is Stewart still playing big minutes and not just big minutes, playing more minutes?

how? Why? It’s pissing me off reading all of this when there is a giant contradiction surrounding that whole move

Stewart was starting before the suspension and now has lost that spot

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2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Oh my lord. 

Surely the news got to the top of that high horse that kids can get paid now, right?

Schools still can't pay the players

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1 minute ago, IU Scott said:

Schools still can't pay the players

And who suggested they should?

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3 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Yeah. It’s a strange situation for sure. Again, we don’t even know why Stewart sat that half early on. Probably discipline, but who knows? A lot of details involved that would probably sway people’s feelings on it one or another, but no one will ever likely know. 

It’s still pretty strange why he sat that half.  Woodson wouldn’t say anything about it whatsoever but was a little more forthcoming with the 2nd incident.

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7 hours ago, Aaron said:

My thought is I hope the suspensions were worth it to Woodson if team misses tournament this year and he can't get program turned around. If that happens, it may have been worth it to him to do what he thought is right and I don't blame him, but him sitting those guys out may have changed trajectory of program for a few years and I think in heat of moment not everything was considered.  

Yes the five guys are most to blame and never should of been out past curfew, but when making the NCAA Tournament and winning that game are most important you have to think long term. Even if you have bad apples on this team and that is very possible, Woodson needs to ride them out and keep them in every game to win NW and then you stop the streak and win at NW and maybe last night and then nudge them out after season. Now team has turmoil and feels bad about self. If they miss tournament this will make recruiting and getting better players a lot harder.

I am not sure Woodson did the wrong thing to be clear by suspending them, but may not have been best decision for future of program regardless of what they did (unless they were involved in murder or sexual assault but clearly that was not case). Get through this year, get in the tournament (this goes regardless of suspensions but you would be sitting in much better position if they let it go) and then boot the bad apples. Don't torpedo season and program over it.  

I have heard whispers on what it might be that suspended them (from more than just a message board) but I am not sure if it is accurate. If what I have found is correct then I am torn if Woodson did right thing. Positives and negatives to suspending and not suspending them if the circumstances surrounding are correct. 

He did the right thing.

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9 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

No true IU fan would ever say that.  I saw three championships won the right way and we use to get on UK for having to cheat to win.  Never eod want IU to stoop to tnay level.

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