IUBB @ Northwestern - 02/08/22 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I think I saw somewhere that the offensive efficiency during conference is worse then last years 

I believe it. It’s been atrocious. Let these guys loose. Let’s go uptempo. Transition and 3 point shooting is the game. Offensive rebound. Besides Woodson age, the offensive strategy is by far my next biggest complaint. Then recruiting., not that it’s bad, but it isn’t great either, or at least not good enough.


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[IUFAN1976]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Can we bring on an offensive coordinator? This basketball has become Archie Miller level hard to watch. Crean might be available, plus he can recruit. He even landed Dwayne Wade.


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And he’ll let everyone know it!

[HoosierAloha]

3 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Can we bring on an offensive coordinator? This basketball has become Archie Miller level hard to watch. Crean might be available, plus he can recruit. He even landed Dwayne Wade.


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Would that be an advisor to the advisor or a coordinator to one of our assistants or do we create another position?

If we just throw more money at basketball... coaches it should probably fix it.

IF we could mix Crean's best offenses with this defense we'd be in a pretty good position. Woody told us the defense was ahead of the offense more than 23 games ago though.

[HoosierAloha]

3 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I believe it. It’s been atrocious. Let these guys loose. Let’s go uptempo. Transition and 3 point shooting is the game. Offensive rebound. Besides Woodson age, the offensive strategy is by far my next biggest complaint. Then recruiting., not that it’s bad, but it isn’t great either, or at least not good enough.


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TJD has to return though, right? It looks like we'll be doing the Crean flip flopping. Interior oriented until your horse leaves without a replacement and go ultra perimeter oriented (without known commodities). Maybe Woody can convince TJD to return so he can develop his jumper and right hand?

[WayneFleekHoosier]

25 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

TJD has to return though, right? It looks like we'll be doing the Crean flip flopping. Interior oriented until your horse leaves without a replacement and go ultra perimeter oriented (without known commodities). Maybe Woody can convince TJD to return so he can develop his jumper and right hand?

Lol. Nah.  Last song and dance for TJD.  But I think he should return.  Wouldn’t have Cockburn anymore but Edey would still eat his lunch.  He’s a borderline draft pick.  He’ll get a contract for a few years. The big man version of Yogi’s career in the NBA maybe.  

[IUFAN1976]

38 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

TJD has to return though, right? It looks like we'll be doing the Crean flip flopping. Interior oriented until your horse leaves without a replacement and go ultra perimeter oriented (without known commodities). Maybe Woody can convince TJD to return so he can develop his jumper and right hand?

He was supposed to do that in the off season.  If he hasn’t developed it by now, it isn’t happening.

I actually think this offense will be more fluid with a lot more motion without TJD.

[DWB]

13 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I actually think this offense will be more fluid with a lot more motion without TJD.

Agreed. But...if it's not more fluid, we'll be bringing up the rear of the B1G next year.

[HoosierAloha]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

He was supposed to do that in the off season.  If he hasn’t developed it by now, it isn’t happening.

I actually think this offense will be more fluid with a lot more motion without TJD.

Maybe this off-season he'll do it!!

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lol. Nah.  Last song and dance for TJD.  But I think he should return.  Wouldn’t have Cockburn anymore but Edey would still eat his lunch.  He’s a borderline draft pick.  He’ll get a contract for a few years. The big man version of Yogi’s career in the NBA maybe.  

Personally, I think Edey should go.  It's not like he's going to change his game in the next two years. He doesn't fit today's NBA but someone might use him as a situational mismatch occasionally.

[IUFAN1976]

On 2/10/2022 at 8:19 PM, LamarCheeks said:

Not trying to be a smart aleck -- OK, maybe a little bit -- but you say you don't think X and Stew won't start.

Does that mean you think they will start? 

Sorry, I didn’t proof read, once I read that again I noticed I contradicted myself.

I am saying they won’t start!

[IUFAN1976]

On 2/10/2022 at 10:15 PM, Stuhoo said:

Galloway has to now be a starter. I just can’t imagine he won’t be.

100% agree!  The ball moves so much more when he is in the game.

[IUFAN1976]

10 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Maybe this off-season he'll do it!!

I have faith he’ll do it eventually but I think it will be year 3 or 4 at the next level 

[IU - Kaulie]

12 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

He was supposed to do that in the off season.  If he hasn’t developed it by now, it isn’t happening.

I actually think this offense will be more fluid with a lot more motion without TJD.

100%.  I think we will be better next year ….. without TJD.  
I don’t think he is all that close to being an NBA player.  He can run and dunk and that’s cool and all but what else?
 

[IUFAN1976]

35 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

100%.  I think we will be better next year ….. without TJD.  
I don’t think he is all that close to being an NBA player.  He can run and dunk and that’s cool and all but what else?
 

He does dunk enthusiastically!!!  
 

Maybe this topic should be what else can’t he do?

Don’t get me wrong, I really like TJD.  Committed to IU because he wanted to come here, could have went to many other schools.  Does play hard, hasn’t been a trouble maker, been a mainstay in the starting lineup, etc…. I just wished he had developed an outside shot and hit his free throws more consistently 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

100%.  I think we will be better next year ….. without TJD.  
I don’t think he is all that close to being an NBA player.  He can run and dunk and that’s cool and all but what else?
 

Wow. Rebound, defend, protect rim. Draw double and triple teams. Gets the main focus of other teams defensive game planning. Has pretty good vision and passes well for a big. Has good hands. Isn’t generally clumsy unless playing Cockburn. Is a near 19/9/2.5 guy. We he gets it in the post or mid-post, hardly anyone except Galloway, cut, slide, move. It’s ridiculous. So much good could happen from his need to doubled. We rarely utilize it. He plays 35-37 minutes a game most nights.

Now, I do want a more free flowing, run and gun offense NOW, but this isn’t TJDs fault. It’s that we can’t shoot and have zero confidence. Offensive game planning from Staff has been underwhelming. Blame players, blame coaches?


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[IU - Kaulie]

18 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Wow. Rebound, defend, protect rim. Draw double and triple teams. Gets the main focus of other teams defensive game planning. Has pretty good vision and passes well for a big. Has good hands. Isn’t generally clumsy unless playing Cockburn. Is a near 19/9/2.5 guy. We he gets it in the post or mid-post, hardly anyone except Galloway, cut, slide, move. It’s ridiculous. So much good could happen from his need to doubled. We rarely utilize it. He plays 35-37 minutes a game most nights.

Now, I do want a more free flowing, run and gun offense NOW, but this isn’t TJDs fault. It’s that we can’t shoot and have zero confidence. Offensive game planning from Staff has been underwhelming. Blame players, blame coaches?


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It’s not a knock against him.  I like TJD and he has represented IU well and has been a good student athlete.  I don’t think he is being used right.  He’s not a guy we should just be dumping it down to with his back to the basket and expect to get a bucket.  He struggles to finish inside when it’s not a dunk.  Kofi, Edey, Dickinson, etc. have ate his lunch on both ends and he has struggled against some of the other bigs in the BIG.  That goes back to not being used right.  He is who he is at this point.  He needs to face the basket and needs space to attack and dunk and needs to play at a fast tempo where it’s lob city.  

I think we will be better as a team next year without him just because how he is being used and the makeup of this roster.  He should make good money playing basketball as a professional but I don’t see that being in the NBA.  I think his chances of being drafted are average at best.

[Hoosierfan2017]

Thinking we’ll be better without TJD is one of the most ridiculous takes I’ve ever seen on here. He’s our best player and it really isn’t close. Without him we’d be dwelling at the bottom of the conference with Nebraska and Minnesota. But hey, maybe we’ll be better next year trotting out Michael Durr as our starting center. 

[IU - Kaulie]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Thinking we’ll be better without TJD is one of the most ridiculous takes I’ve seen on here. He’s our best player and it really isn’t close. But hey, maybe we’ll be better next year trotting out Michael Durr as our starting center. 

He is our best player.  We don’t know what our roster will look like next year.  I do think our record will be better next year.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

It’s not a knock against him.  I like TJD and he has represented IU well and has been a good student athlete.  I don’t think he is being used right.  He’s not a guy we should just be dumping it down to with his back to the basket and expect to get a bucket.  He struggles to finish inside when it’s not a dunk.  Kofi, Edey, Dickinson, etc. have ate his lunch on both ends and he has struggled against some of the other bigs in the BIG.  That goes back to not being used right.  He is who he is at this point.  He needs to face the basket and needs space to attack and dunk and needs to play at a fast tempo where it’s lob city.   I think we will be better as a team next year without him just because how he is being used and the makeup of this roster.  He should make good money playing basketball as a professional but I don’t see that being in the NBA.  I think his chances of being drafted are average at best.

 

So, you admit he’s a great player being misused? That’s an indictment of the coaching staff not using him properly and NOT changing game plans based on matchups. And it is.

 

Assuming we will be magically better because NOT having TJD will make our coaching staff use different offensive strategies is probably as strong of an indictment vs the staff as one can have.

 

You have a great player with lots of skills. Losing him likely won’t make you better because next years roster won’t have the skill set to do ANYTHING. If we could shoot, we’d be shooting. Our guards, sans Galloway, at times, aren’t good at driving. What will we rely on next year to be better? Except we will be missing an athletic big guy that’s being misused.

 

If our staff is this limited in their offensive creativity, and I surmise they are, we have a long road to go before we are better or good. Does the staff overestimate TJD and think he’s better in every matchup? Maybe. Again, that’s their problem.

 

Hell, maybe player Durr and Trayce together against Michigan, Illinois, Purdue. That’s a novel concept. Get Trayce off their beast defensively and give him the offensive advantage.

 

I could go on and on. If losing Trayce makes us better magically, this staff is even more lost than it appears.

 

 

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[HoosierAloha]

40 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Wow. Rebound, defend, protect rim. Draw double and triple teams. Gets the main focus of other teams defensive game planning. Has pretty good vision and passes well for a big. Has good hands. Isn’t generally clumsy unless playing Cockburn. Is a near 19/9/2.5 guy. We he gets it in the post or mid-post, hardly anyone except Galloway, cut, slide, move. It’s ridiculous. So much good could happen from his need to doubled. We rarely utilize it. He plays 35-37 minutes a game most nights.

Now, I do want a more free flowing, run and gun offense NOW, but this isn’t TJDs fault. It’s that we can’t shoot and have zero confidence. Offensive game planning from Staff has been underwhelming. Blame players, blame coaches?


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Which is baffling with all that coaching experience on the sideline, in offices around the athletic department, and wherever else we have placed them.