IUBB @ Northwestern - 02/08/22 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

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5 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I think we could use him in an even bigger role if he would’ve developed even just a reliable right hand, let alone a jumper. He’s very easy to guard by anyone with decent size and the slightest idea of how to play post defense, but if he would’ve expanded his game we could’ve really opened up the floor. Could’ve, would’ve, should’ve though. 
 

I didn’t really expect much more out of Durr than we have seen, personally. He was an ok player on a bad USF team. 

I agree for the most part on Durr, but just doesn't seem like we have really tried. Could be totally wrong, but I'd have to see the overlap minutes where both Durr and TJD had minutes together. Durr's only averaging 7.9 min this year. The only game he's had 20+ this season is PU when TJD was incredibly limited by injury and fouls. 

Not trying to suggest Durr at the 5 and TJD all of a sudden makes TJD do those things better, but it at least is an attempt to develop. In short, if we remain status quo with TJD and Race as 5 and 4, I just don't expect anything different. 

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11 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

His shooting ability is honestly shocking given the type of player he is and how long it takes that shot to actually leave his hands lol. He’s kind of money though, relative to IUBB at least. 

He has “soft hands” on his shot, i am confident when the ball leaves his hands

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11 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Your making my argument for me.  The book has been out on TJD since he has got here and he still has no jumper and has one hand.  If that’s who he wants to be that’s fine.  I love his dunks.  Sometimes it’s up to the player.

I have seen Galloway and Geronimo improve This year.  The form on Trey’s jumper is much improved.  His shooting % will improve too because the kid will put in the time and work on it.  Geronimo is getting better in season.  I think the staff has a lot to do with it and him just growing up and becoming more comfortable and dedicated to basketball.  Bates has had a lot going on this year.  Still believe he is special.  I value them more than mediocre.

 

Not saying it won't happen but this is the exception and not the norm. Maybe it's on the players, maybe it's on the staff. There hasn't been a lot of development in the last handful of years. We need gym rats that will live in Cook Hall AND drag their teammates along to get better. The same with so much of our program, it is that way until it's not. It will take someone, player(s) or coach, to actually make the change and not just talk about it. There will also have to be a change in the scheme to make the offense dynamic. If our perimeter players improve but we completely lack an interior game opponents will take that away. We haven't done much thus far, even though there are pieces there, to create that dynamic attack on offense.

Someone mentioned our conference numbers are in the same neighborhood as they were under Arch and Co. with shooters. That is not a good sign, at all.

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2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Not saying it won't happen but this is the exception and not the norm. Maybe it's on the players, maybe it's on the staff. There hasn't been a lot of development in the last handful of years. We need gym rats that will live in Cook Hall AND drag their teammates along to get better. The same with so much of our program, it is that way until it's not. It will take someone, player(s) or coach, to actually make the change and not just talk about it. There will also have to be a change in the scheme to make the offense dynamic. If our perimeter players improve but we completely lack an interior game opponents will take that away. We haven't done much thus far, even though there are pieces there, to create that dynamic attack on offense.

Someone mentioned our conference numbers are in the same neighborhood as they were under Arch and Co. with shooters. That is not a good sign, at all.

I definitely agree that we need players who put in work and not just talk about it.  I’m optimistic and encouraged with what I have seen so far that we might have a couple of those types guys on the roster.

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38 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Your making my argument for me.  The book has been out on TJD since he has got here and he still has no jumper and has one hand.  If that’s who he wants to be that’s fine.  I love his dunks.  Sometimes it’s up to the player.

I have seen Galloway and Geronimo improve This year.  The form on Trey’s jumper is much improved.  His shooting % will improve too because the kid will put in the time and work on it.  Geronimo is getting better in season.  I think the staff has a lot to do with it and him just growing up and becoming more comfortable and dedicated to basketball.  Bates has had a lot going on this year.  Still believe he is special.  I value them more than mediocre.

 

I’m not nearly as upset at Trayce for not developing a jumper as I am our guards and wings for not developing jumpers. Your center being able to shoot is a plus but it’s not a necessity in college basketball. We’re 12th in the conference in 3 point percentage. We’re shooting 32.2% from 3 in conference play. That’s worse than last year. You don’t get points for having a pretty form. Galloway’s ‘improved form’ has him shooting 29% from 3. 

That’s fine if you ‘value them more than mediocre,’ but that’s what they’ve been. Galloway, Geronimo, and Bates put together don’t equal Trayce’s production. Bates is averaging 2.7 ppg on 24% from the field during conference play. On the whole season he’s averaging 4 ppg on 35% from the field. He was a top 30 recruit. “Mediocre” is putting it nicely with him. Instead of hoping that a bunch of mediocre role players take big leaps, why not hope that our star comes back? Talent is in short supply on this team. It’s much easier to figure out the rest of your problems when you have a player of Trayce’s caliber than not. Star power is what wins.

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58 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I think we could use him in an even bigger role if he would’ve developed even just a reliable right hand, let alone a jumper. He’s very easy to guard by anyone with decent size and the slightest idea of how to play post defense, but if he would’ve expanded his game we could’ve really opened up the floor. Could’ve, would’ve, should’ve though. 
 

I didn’t really expect much more out of Durr than we have seen, personally. He was an ok player on a bad USF team. 

Dickenson made 0 threes last year.   I think he is at around 21 made this year 

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TJD is who he is at this point.  He is not going to suddenly gain the skills he has talked about adding to his game.

It’s not just blind hope with some of the guys I have mentioned.  I have seen them getting better.  Trey Galloway has put in the work with our staff to correct the form on his stroke.  I have no doubt his shooting % will get better because he has shown he will put in the work already.  
The game is slowing down for Jordan Geronimo.  I have been a little hard on him here in the past because I didn’t think he was ready like others did.  He is getting there.  I have seen improvement.

I don’t have anything to back up why I think Mr. Bates will get there other than I just sense that he will.  He is wired a little different.  His ranking hasn’t shown up yet.  It will.

 

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15 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

TJD is who he is at this point.  He is not going to suddenly gain the skills he has talked about adding to his game.

It’s not just blind hope with some of the guys I have mentioned.  I have seen them getting better.  Trey Galloway has put in the work with our staff to correct the form on his stroke.  I have no doubt his shooting % will get better because he has shown he will put in the work already.  
The game is slowing down for Jordan Geronimo.  I have been a little hard on him here in the past because I didn’t think he was ready like others did.  He is getting there.  I have seen improvement.

I don’t have anything to back up why I think Mr. Bates will get there other than I just sense that he will.  He is wired a little different.  His ranking hasn’t shown up yet.  It will.

 

You think that Galloway is attractive so you think he’s going to be a superstar, we know. Right now he’s averaging 7 ppg and shooting 29% from 3. He’s a role player. Geronimo averages 4 points and 4 rebounds per game. 

If Trayce “is what he is at this point,” what he is, is a dang good college basketball player. You’re doing everything you can to downplay his importance to the team while gassing up a bunch of middling role players.

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You think that Galloway is attractive so you think he’s going to be a superstar, we know. Right now he’s averaging 7 ppg and shooting 29% from 3. He’s a role player. Geronimo averages 4 points and 4 rebounds per game. 

If Trayce “is what he is at this point,” what he is, is a dang good college basketball player. You’re doing everything you can to downplay his importance to the team while gassing up a bunch of middling role players.

Does Woody like Galloway  because he thinks he’s attractive?

In the press conference leading up to this game Woody said Gallo’s play has been “phenomenal “.

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23 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You think that Galloway is attractive so you think he’s going to be a superstar, we know. Right now he’s averaging 7 ppg and shooting 29% from 3. He’s a role player. Geronimo averages 4 points and 4 rebounds per game. 

If Trayce “is what he is at this point,” what he is, is a dang good college basketball player. You’re doing everything you can to downplay his importance to the team while gassing up a bunch of middling role players.

I think we kind of have to drop shooting % because outside P Stew it's not pretty, at all. Even when we do shoot well, we don't shoot enough. I think when we're recruiting we should put them through shooting drills in Assembly Hall to see if they stack up. "Shooters" that have transferred in forgot they were shooters.

Regardless, TJD makes an impact on this team. Could he be better? Absolutely. Will he decide that he's finally going to get better? Evidence doesn't look good.

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17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Does Woody like Galloway  because he thinks he’s attractive?

In the press conference leading up to this game Woody said Gallo’s play has been “phenomenal “.

Maybe he does. Galloway isn’t an ugly kid. 

He’s fine in a supporting role, and he plays with energy which isn’t a given for the rest of the team, but the idea that our hodgepodge of role players will improve enough to make us better without Trayce is completely ridiculous to me. He’s an excellent college player. We have no one at present coming in to replace the 18/9 on excellent efficiency + great defense he gives us. If we’re lucky we won’t have to find out. 

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6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Maybe he does. Galloway isn’t an ugly kid. 

He’s fine in a supporting role, and he plays with energy which isn’t a given for the rest of the team, but the idea that our hodgepodge of role players will improve enough to make us better without Trayce is completely ridiculous to me. He’s an excellent college player. We have no one at present coming in to replace the 18/9 on excellent efficiency + great defense he gives us. If we’re lucky we won’t have to find out. 

Wanted to give that first line a ‘like’ and a ‘laugh’!

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5 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Maybe he does. Galloway isn’t an ugly kid. 

He’s fine in a supporting role, and he plays with energy which isn’t a given for the rest of the team, but the idea that our hodgepodge of role players will improve enough to make us better without Trayce is completely ridiculous to me. He’s an excellent college player. We have no one at present coming in to replace the 18/9 on excellent efficiency + great defense he gives us. If we’re lucky we won’t have to find out. 

If we have to play Galloway 30 minutes next year or the year after we won’t be very good

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On 2/8/2022 at 8:45 PM, Hooserfan1901 said:

 

The proof is in the results.

Woody took a chunk out of his own team for the Northwestern “must win.”  They learned he says what he means. They got sad after this game. But they got real and were forced to develop player-led leadership.

Coaching is often not about X’s and O’s, or timeout strategies.

Mike Woodson has gotten full buy-in from his team. In my opinion the Northwestern game was the necessary road to doing that.

Experienced coaches are not afraid to love their players, and they are not afraid to tell them the truth and hold them accountable.

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

The proof is in the results.

Woody took a chunk out of his own team for the Northwestern “must win.”  They learned he says what he means. They got sad after this game. But they got real and were forced to develop player-led leadership.

Coaching is often not about X’s and O’s, or timeout strategies.

Mike Woodson has gotten full buy-in from his team. In my opinion the Northwestern game was the necessary road to doing that.

Experienced coaches are not afraid to love their players, and they are not afraid to tell them the truth.

And from all available evidence, these dudes love playing for him.

X said Friday he loves playing at IU. Tamar brings a joyous intensity when he plays and cheers with the bench mob, and so on.

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3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

The proof is in the results.

Woody took a chunk out of his own team for the Northwestern “must win.”  They learned he says what he means. They got sad after this game. But they got real and were forced to develop player-led leadership.

Coaching is often not about X’s and O’s, or timeout strategies.

Mike Woodson has gotten full buy-in from his team. In my opinion the Northwestern game was the necessary road to doing that.

Experienced coaches are not afraid to love their players, and they are not afraid to tell them the truth and hold them accountable.

Ok so here i disagree. The proof includes that was the beginning of the 5-game losing streak. That doesn’t reflect that benching the team was necessary. Things went south not north after that decision. Cominh back now, after they had to win 2 in the BTT tourney to make the dance and saying that proves Woodson was right to bench half the team against NW doesn’t add up. It just doesn’t. 
That’s not to say i disagree with holding players accountable or with his pulling the team together, but just because they got it together to close out the year doesn’t show the benching was right, it just doesn’t. 
I’m happy that’s all water under the bridge.