What Can IUBB do to Revive Your Excitement/Confidence?

[Uspshoosier 45,596]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Our TV exposure isn't going to turn out very great this season. Last I looked, we don't play on ESPN until February. And that's on ESPN against Illinois. Now that may not be set completely in stone yet, but I mainly saw BTN and FS1. We aren't exactly a big hit for Primetime. 

Tv exposure is fine.  Fox pays a lot of money for the B1G.  If you notice IU and Sparty played a ton of the Friday games on FS1 the last couple years to maximize viewer ship.    Fox the last couple of years picks the IU game for the crosswords classic.  

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,670]

15 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Tv exposure is fine.  Fox pays a lot of money for the B1G.  If you notice IU and Sparty played a ton of the Friday games on FS1 the last couple years to maximize viewer ship.    Fox the last couple of years picks the IU game for the crosswords classic.  

And kids still watch more ESPN. That's just the primary brand they know of and they unconsciously turn on. They can pay IU all they want, it doesn't equal getting massive primetime ESPN coverage. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,670]

2 hours ago, kreigh8 said:

Lander is shooting 23% on the season. He may be able to shoot in HS, but he's not some savior of this team. Same with Leal. If they were the answers this team was searching for they'd be playing 30 minutes. Should Lander be playing more, certainly, but he's not going to instantly make us a exceptional offensive team simply by playing over Rob. If anything I see Archie going to have to go to a PG by committee approach, some Rob, some Al, some Lander. Play the hot hand, something's going to give as the team needs some stability from the PG position.

They won't play because Archie wants to play the old guys. 

[Josh 12,621]

34 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Do you know that as fact or are you speaking for other people?

You're a smart fella who watches a lot of basketball.  Do you think there are high level recruits who have no idea who Bobby Knight is?  No effin way

[kreigh8 2,043]

12 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

They won't play because Archie wants to play the old guys. 

He just moved a freshman Galloway into the starting lineup over a junior Phinisee. If that were true, he wouldn't have made that move

[Uspshoosier 45,596]

9 minutes ago, Josh said:

You're a smart fella who watches a lot of basketball.  Do you think there are high level recruits who have no idea who Bobby Knight is?  No effin way

I’ve seen some interviews with prospects from IU recruits where they had no idea about the IU history so I wouldn’t be surprised if kids these days don’t know about coach Knight or Wooden for that matter 

[Uspshoosier 45,596]

Taken a break from back and forth and asking if anyone is seeing the Mavs/Clippers score?   Is it a typo.  Mavs up 72-25 with 1 min to go in the first half 

[LIHoosier 26,141]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Taken a break from back and forth and asking if anyone is seeing the Mavs/Clippers score?   Is it a typo.  Mavs up 72-25 with 1 min to go in the first half 

Nope, 77-27. No Kawhi today, its the Paul George era baby!

[Hoosierfan2017 21,266]

2 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I agree with you. I’m not enamored with Archie right now either. I’m sure most people who are labeled as sunshine pumpers aren’t enamored with Archie at the moment either. But that doesn’t have anything to do with my point. Which is constant coaching change talk that includes being enamored with a coach who hasn’t done much of anything to be enamored with by people who we know would have these exact same threads blowing up if we had that coach. 

There are some people who would never be satisfied no matter what our coach does. But if we were in Illinois’ place right now, I think all but a few would be happy. Or at least optimistic about the future. I can handle a few bad seasons if there’s reason to be optimistic for the future, but we don’t have that right now. This year doesn’t look great and next year looks even worse since our best player will probably be gone. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,670]

38 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

He just moved a freshman Galloway into the starting lineup over a junior Phinisee. If that were true, he wouldn't have made that move

Yet Durham(who should have been moved to the bench first) is still playing almost 30 minutes a game. 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

You keep perpetuating something that doesn’t exist.

there is a reality, that Other teams and coaches are maturing at a faster rate than IU and there is a football school and a nothing school that replaced their coaches at the same time we did and they are both in a better place than us. Those are the facts. Your hypotheticals and absolutes about what we would do “if” isn’t even an argument.

and nobody has stated they are enamored but Underwood, he is just a very relevant and fair comparison, that’s it

I literally said the exact words earlier that if you want to say the trajectory of Illinois under Underwood currently looks better than the trajectory of IU under Archie then fine. And people have been responding to me all day justifying their praise for Underwood including one comment that stated “we are enamored with him because...”. 

[Golfman25 5,327]

3 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Yes, my point is that people are enamored with a coach that they wouldn’t actually be enamored with if we had him. 
 

And “done a lot more” is a bit of a stretch. If you want to say it appears at this moment in time that the trajectory of Illinois under Underwood is slightly better that IU under Archie, then fine. But that story hasn’t been fully written. And saying he’s done a lot more, to warrant being enamored with, is again, quite a stretch.

Dude, you're smoking something.  U of I has the right trajectory, right now.  We do not.  Hell, it even looks like NW going to surprise people this year.  IU on the other hand is underwhelming.  Archie hasn't gotten it done, and doesn't appear to have a plan to get it done.  He has failed miserably to adapt to the big tyne.  

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,670]

3 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

So this is “a lot”? They beat us by 1 point in their home court last year and there was not much separation from 4th and 10th place. You’re lying to yourself if you think there was. They were projected as a 7 seed, us a 9. You’re saying this year is looking to be about the same. This all proves my point. People are enamored with a coach that they would not be enamored with if we had him. Yet those people are surprised that others question their coaching change arguments.

Well that's 6 spots. And the fact they won 4 more conference games than us. And again, appeared in the Top 8 times. Getting as high as 19th. And they've been able to build off that. While after we got ranked in Archie's 2md season and spent 5 weeks, it all went downhill. 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Dude, you're smoking something.  U of I has the right trajectory, right now.  We do not.  Hell, it even looks like NW going to surprise people this year.  IU on the other hand is underwhelming.  Archie hasn't gotten it done, and doesn't appear to have a plan to get it done.  He has failed miserably to adapt to the big tyne.  

I don’t think I’m the one smoking something. I said, in the post you quoted, that I’m fine with statement that Illinois’ current trajectory appears better than ours. And I’ve also said in other posts that I’m not happy with where Archie currently has things. 

[Uspshoosier 45,596]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And kids still watch more ESPN. That's just the primary brand they know of and they unconsciously turn on. They can pay IU all they want, it doesn't equal getting massive primetime ESPN coverage. 

Ok but you said IU’s tv exposure wouldn’t be great and if I had to bet they probably are going to have the second highest exposure for B1G teams and they are a projected 8 place team.  To find the conference pecking order when it comes to teams you just see home many times they are scheduled for major network games in a year (CBS, Fox).   Sparty probably has the most and IU is probably second or tied for second.   Rutgers and Illinois who where both teams projected higher probably has less nationally televised  games 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

12 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Well that's 6 spots. And the fact they won 4 more conference games than us. And again, appeared in the Top 8 times. Getting as high as 19th. And they've been able to build off that. While after we got ranked in Archie's 2md season and spent 5 weeks, it all went downhill. 

Like I said, there was not much separation between the 4th and 10th place teams in the big ten last season. Hence why we were projected only 2 seed lines apart. They appear to have more separation from us this season, yes. But you’re still not defining what would be seen as doing “a lot more” to justify being enamored with Underwood. 

[Golfman25 5,327]

3 hours ago, Treesh said:

Is Indiana even a good job anymore? Serious question. 
 

These kids weren’t even born when Indiana was good. They don’t know who Bob Knight is and I’d argue some couldn’t tell you where Indiana is on a map. Assembly Hall is cool yeah, but it’s not an arena. Our practice facility is starting to become dated.  We were only relevant in 2012 and 2002. Can we land top notch recruits here anymore? CTC recruits went downhill once our cheating assistant coach moved on. 
 

 

IU is a good job.  While our history is quite old at this point, we do have it.  We don't have to create it.  All we do is have to stoke it.  All it will take is for the right coach to start winning consistently to bring it back.  Lots of us old guy who will tell you how good it was "back when I was kid." 

Some think Jerseys and cheerleaders matter.  Some knock the facilities.  That's all noise.  The thing that matters, that attracts the players -- Winning.  Winning makes everything easier.  But winning is hard.  You need a coach that can actually coach -- put the players in posititions to succeed.  Build a winning program and the players will come.  IU gives a coach everything he needs to win (save for bags of cash).  Coaches have to get it done.  

[Golfman25 5,327]

5 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

His system is designed to score ironically. It’s modeled after the Phoenix fast break.  The players aren’t doing it.  And not being held accountable. 
 

We are terrible in half court offense yet because they play slow we end up in it all the time. 

I have yet to see any evidence that there is any semblence of an offensive system.  

Do you have anything to indicate it's based on the Phoenix fast break?  A quote somewhere?  Not sure why a defensive coach would adopt a fast break offense.  Those guys usaully want to run clock and limit the other team's posessions.  Of couse, it would be totally Archie to do it. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,670]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Ok but you said IU’s tv exposure wouldn’t be great and if I had to bet they probably are going to have the second highest exposure for B1G teams and they are a projected 8 place team.  To find the conference pecking order when it comes to teams you just see home many times they are scheduled for major network games in a year (CBS, Fox).   Sparty probably has the most and IU is probably second or tied for second.   Rutgers and Illinois who where both teams projected higher probably has less nationally televised  games 

TV exposure to recruits is important. They are seeking out games. They are likely just turning on ESPN. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,670]

57 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Like I said, there was not much separation between the 4th and 10th place teams in the big ten last season. Hence why we were projected only 2 seed lines apart. They appear to have more separation from us this season, yes. But you’re still not defining what would be seen as doing “a lot more” to justify being enamored with Underwood. 

4 games is quite a bit.