Bracketology and Team Resumes

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I agree because I don't like 20 conference games.  I like to see what the big ten record is in the tournament since we went to 20 game schedule.

What year did the B1G move to 20 games?

[IU Scott]

6 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

It's not NET.  And I don't care what your opinion is if you can't back it up with anything but your 'eyes'.

If you think the bottom of the Big Ten wasn't bad in 1980s and 1990s, you weren't watching.

I rather go by my eye test over what some computer geeks think is important.  I have watched enough games over my 51 years I can tell who is a better team.  I don't have to look at some made up stats to tell me who is better.

[IU Scott]

2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

What year did the B1G move to 20 games?

I think someone said 2018

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

7 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I agree because I don't like 20 conference games.  I like to see what the big ten record is in the tournament since we went to 20 game schedule.

2019 B1G had 8 teams and went 13-8 with Michigan State going to the Final Four, Purdue reaching the Elite 8, Michigan going to the Sweet 16. Iowa, Ohio State, Maryland and Minnesota won a game. Wisconsin only team to lose in the 1st round. 

 

2021 though... I teams and went 8-9. Michigan State lost in the play in round. Only 6 teams moved on for the 2nd round as 4 seed Purdue and 2 seed Ohio State lost in the 1st round. Then only 1 team made the Sweet 16 which was Michigan who also went to the Sweet 16.

So far the only two tourneys. 2019 went well... 2021 was well... Fairly embarrassing. But I personally always root for Big Ten teams to lose anyways soooo...

[IU Scott]

2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

2019 B1G had 8 teams and went 13-8 with Michigan State going to the Final Four, Purdue reaching the Elite 8, Michigan going to the Sweet 16. Iowa, Ohio State, Maryland and Minnesota won a game. Wisconsin only team to lose in the 1st round. 

 

2021 though... I teams and went 8-9. Michigan State lost in the play in round. Only 6 teams moved on for the 2nd round as 4 seed Purdue and 2 seed Ohio State lost in the 1st round. Then only 1 team made the Sweet 16 which was Michigan who also went to the Sweet 16.

So far the only two tourneys. 2019 went well... 2021 was well... Fairly embarrassing. But I personally always root for Big Ten teams to lose anyways soooo...

I guess to early to see if having that many conference games effect our tournament performance

[NashvilleHoosier]

6 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

You should look at the entire body of work... Sometimes. 

Yeah that makes a ton of sense, considering in an earlier post you said there should be some standards. So apply the standard of looking at the entire body of work….sometimes. For some teams. Then for other teams we will apply the partial body of work. So the standard will be the entire body of work except when it’s not the entire body of work. I’ve actually been a big fan of the 60% body of work rule where teams get to choose which 60% of their body of work the committee looks at. For example, and completely hypothetical situation here, if a team were to end up, say, 18-12 or something like that…again, completely hypothetical….that team could choose which 18 games the committee evaluated them on. It makes a ton of sense really.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

42 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Yeah that makes a ton of sense, considering in an earlier post you said there should be some standards. So apply the standard of looking at the entire body of work….sometimes. For some teams. Then for other teams we will apply the partial body of work. So the standard will be the entire body of work except when it’s not the entire body of work. I’ve actually been a big fan of the 60% body of work rule where teams get to choose which 60% of their body of work the committee looks at. For example, and completely hypothetical situation here, if a team were to end up, say, 18-12 or something like that…again, completely hypothetical….that team could choose which 18 games the committee evaluated them on. It makes a ton of sense really.

Well it isn't the hardest concept. You apply standard 1 which removes said teams. All teams standing then are looked at by their full resumes and i would say bring back recency bias.

[NashvilleHoosier]

On 3/2/2022 at 9:06 PM, Uspshoosier said:

In seriousness in a never ending crappy situation for IU around this time of year 

beat Purdue on Saturday and that gives you a sweep of a top 3 seed which is probably enough to get you in 

lose that and first game in tourney and your NIT bound 

lose that and win 1 and your going to be around the first 4 area and at the mercy of the committee and bid stealers 

lose that and win 2 or more and your in 

win the B1G tourney (lol) and your in 

We’re down to scenarios 2-5. How are you feeling about scenario 3 now? Still feel like winning 1 leaves us around the last 4 in? I get the feeling it’s becoming increasingly likely we’ll need 2 wins.

[BtownStrength]

14 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

We’re down to scenarios 2-5. How are you feeling about scenario 3 now? Still feel like winning 1 leaves us around the last 4 in? I get the feeling it’s becoming increasingly likely we’ll need 2 wins.

I think if we win the 1st game it will be close. Bid stealers may not be in our favor. But if we play Michigan and beat them, that probably bumps them out in addition to helping us. 

[Uspshoosier]

12 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

We’re down to scenarios 2-5. How are you feeling about scenario 3 now? Still feel like winning 1 leaves us around the last 4 in? I get the feeling it’s becoming increasingly likely we’ll need 2 wins.

Yeah I will need to do a deep dive into it but if they win the first game that game is probably against Michigan which that game is looking like an elimination game.   I think that might put them in the last 4 in but not safe by any means.    Bid stealers and that non con sos would worry me if IU was in the last 4.    Might as well win 2 and take it out of their hands 

[RaceToTheTop]

VCU down 6 with 1:49 at St.Louis.  Positive development for those on the bubble.

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Ugh,  just like that, it's a 1 point game.  St. Louis collapsing..

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15 seconds, VCU ball, St. Louis down 3.

Would love to see a replay of the last VCU possession.  I swear a VCU player put up a shot, untouched, that was an air ball and got his own rebound.  If so, should have been a violation

[RaceToTheTop]

VCU misses a three.  St. Louis to the line, 1 second left up three.  VCU will go down.

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So we know where ESPN butters its bread......Duke/UNC supposed to be on ESPN but it's already way past tip time (they didn't start it yet, though) and Kansas/Texas went OT.

Meanwhile, over on ESPN 2, St. Louis about to go the line up 3 with one second left.  ESPN just left that game to go to Duke/UNC.

Yet somehow when it's not Duke/UNC, they won't leave 14 point games with two minutes left.

[RaceToTheTop]

Bubble action today (some pretty far down the bubble):

IU loses 69-67 at Purdue

Florida loses at home to Kentucky 71-63

Creighton loses at home to Seton Hall 65-60

VIrginia Tech lost at Clemson 63-59

Oklahoma won at Kansas State 78-71

Dayton won at home against Davidson 82-76

Loyola beat Northern Iowa in the MVC tournament 66-43

Wyoming won at home in overtime against Fresno State, 68-64

VCU lost at St. Louis 69-65

North Texas lost at UTEP 70-68.......might have been a big one should they not win their conference tournament.  That's a quad 3 loss.

Notre Dame over Pittsburgh easily (good for IU to keep Notre Dame Q1)

 

 

 

 

 

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, brumdog45 said:

Bubble action today (some pretty far down the bubble):

IU loses 69-67 at Purdue

Florida loses at home to Kentucky 71-63

Creighton loses at home to Seton Hall 65-60

VIrginia Tech lost at Clemson 63-59

Oklahoma won at Kansas State 78-71

Dayton won at home against Davidson 82-76

Loyola beat Northern Iowa in the MVC tournament 66-43

Wyoming won at home in overtime against Fresno State, 68-64

VCU lost at St. Louis 69-65

North Texas lost at UTEP 70-68.......might have been a big one should they not win their conference tournament.  That's a quad 3 loss.

Notre Dame over Pittsburgh easily (good for IU to keep Notre Dame Q1)

 

 

 

 

 

Notre dame is Q2 for now     North Texas loss probably takes them out of at-large contention.   

[RaceToTheTop]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Notre dame is Q2 for now     North Texas loss probably takes them out of at-large contention.   

Gotcha.  See they are 53 right now.  I would think they will move ahead of both VCU (at 49, lost at St. Louis) and Florida (at 52, lost at home to Kentucky).  Notre Dame will add a Q3 win, I believe, while the other two add a Q1 loss....think the effiiciency metrics won't move much for VCU or Florida but Notre Dame should imporve after their 24 point win.

Would be strange if IU and Notre Dame were at 50 and 51....if Notre Dame is 50, IU gets a Q1 win from them, but if it's IU at 50, then it's a Q2.

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, brumdog45 said:

Gotcha.  See they are 53 right now.  I would think they will move ahead of both VCU (at 49, lost at St. Louis) and Florida (at 52, lost at home to Kentucky).  Notre Dame will add a Q3 win, I believe, while the other two add a Q1 loss....think the effiiciency metrics won't move much for VCU or Florida but Notre Dame should imporve after their 24 point win.

Would be strange if IU and Notre Dame were at 50 and 51....if Notre Dame is 50, IU gets a Q1 win from them, but if it's IU at 50, then it's a Q2.

If I had to guess I would say IU won’t move down any for losing at Purdue by 2.   Depending on what others do around them I could see them moving up maybe.  

[RaceToTheTop]

Most people of what happened today was good for IU other than the obvious end of the Purdue game.  Oklahoma winning wasn’t good but I think they are still behind us on the pecking order.