Bracketology and Team Resumes

[RaceToTheTop]

WAR through Wednesday's games....multiple bid leagues:

Big 12 (9):  Houston (2), Iowa State (7), Baylor (10), Kansas (11), Texas Tech (25), BYU (26), Oklahoma (32), Texas (39), TCU (43)

SEC (7):  Tennessee (4), South Carolina (12), Auburn (13), Alabama (15), Kentucky (22), Florida (23), Mississippi (40)

Big 10 (6):  Purdue (1), Illinois (14), Nebraska (29), Northwestern (33), Wisconsin (35), Michigan State (51)

Mountain West (6):  Utah State (17), Nevada (18), San Diego State (20), Colorado St (36), New Mexico (47), Boise State (49)

ACC (5):  UNC (6), Duke (9), Clemson (24), Virginia (30), Syracuse (50)

Big East (4):  U Conn (3), Marquette (8), Creighton (16), Seton Hall (44)

Pac 12 (3):  Arizona (5), Washington State (21), Colorado (46)

WCC (2):  Gonzaga (31), St. Mary's (41)

MVC (2):  Indiana State (27), Drake (37)

AAC (2):  Florida Atlantic (28), South Florida (48)

Last four byes: TCU, Seton Hall, Colorado, New Mexico

Last four in:  South Florida, Boise St, Syracuse, Michigan State

First four out:  Memphis, Richmond, Mississippi St, Utah

Next four out:  Iowa, Oregon Providence, Pittsburgh

Next next four out:  St. John's, Appalachian State, Butler, Indiana

 

 

 

 

[JF87]

A question for those of you in the know who follow the metrics.  How is Michigan State ranked 23 in the Net and 19th in KenPom?  They are just 4-8 in quad 1 games.  We are ranked 94th in net and we are 3-8 in quad 1 games and both schools are 5-4 in quad 2.  I just don't get why Michigan St is so high?  

[Jeff Flabjohns]

2 minutes ago, JF87 said:

A question for those of you in the know who follow the metrics.  How is Michigan State ranked 23 in the Net and 19th in KenPom?  They are just 4-8 in quad 1 games.  We are ranked 94th in net and we are 3-8 in quad 1 games and both schools are 5-4 in quad 2.  I just don't get why Michigan St is so high?  

Read through the previous page. It’s discussed there

[str8baller]

10 minutes ago, JF87 said:

A question for those of you in the know who follow the metrics.  How is Michigan State ranked 23 in the Net and 19th in KenPom?  They are just 4-8 in quad 1 games.  We are ranked 94th in net and we are 3-8 in quad 1 games and both schools are 5-4 in quad 2.  I just don't get why Michigan St is so high?  

Quick answer: Kenpom is an efficiency rating. Wins don’t matter. NET has an efficiency component.  
 

MSU was much more dominant in their wins and more competitive in their losses, as adjusted for strength of schedule. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

Quick answer: Kenpom is an efficiency rating. Wins don’t matter. NET has an efficiency component.  
 

MSU was much more dominant in their wins and more competitive in their losses, as adjusted for strength of schedule. 

The old RPI system has them at 58.  The truth is somewhere in between NET and RPI.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

I want to know how or why Villanova was listed as a Bubble Watch team by CBS. @Uspshoosier need your expertise here.

[Uspshoosier]

10 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I want to know how or why Villanova was listed as a Bubble Watch team by CBS. @Uspshoosier need your expertise here.

Do you think they should be solidly in or do you think they should not be in the discussion?

[Uspshoosier]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Do you think they should be solidly in or do you think they should not be in the discussion?

Nova is in the discussion because top 20 SOS.   2 Q1a wins away from home (North Carolina win on a neutral and Creighton on the road is huge) 2 other Q1b wins away from home.  6-2 in Q2.     Black eye is the 3 Q3 losses.   If they would have won today I would have them in however with a loss they are trending close to the cut line for me.    

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Nova is in the discussion because top 20 SOS.   2 Q1a wins away from home (North Carolina win on a neutral and Creighton on the road is huge) 2 other Q1b wins away from home.  6-2 in Q2.     Black eye is the 3 Q3 losses.   If they would have won today I would have them in however with a loss they are trending close to the cut line for me.    

Where are you on Syracuse?

edit:  Nevermind looked at their net breakdown

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, RaceToTheTop said:

Where are you on Syracuse?

Nowhere near a tourney team 

[RaceToTheTop]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Nowhere near a tourney team 

Just saw their net and quads.  How about Pitt?

[Uspshoosier]

8 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Just saw their net and quads.  How about Pitt?

Wrong side of the bubble with a chance to play themselves on the right side 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Do you think they should be solidly in or do you think they should not be in the discussion?

They'd be very firmly in the NIT thanks to those 3 Q3 losses. I wouldn't have ever considered them anywhere near the bubble.

[OliviaPope40]

UNC in the tournament would be a dangerous team to play.

[Uspshoosier]

8 minutes ago, OliviaPope40 said:

UNC in the tournament would be a dangerous team to play.

They were always a dangerous team.  They were the top 2 seed (5th overall best resume) during the committees top 16 reveal and they haven’t lost since then 

[str8baller]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

They were always a dangerous team.  They were the top 2 seed (5th overall best resume) during the committees top 16 reveal and they haven’t lost since then 

What about Virginia? Do they need to do anything in the conf tourney?

[JF87]

Question for you bracketologists.  Is ISU safely in?  There net ranking was 26 before their loss today.  Drake was 47, so I wouldn't think ISU would fall too far.  The CBS crew talked like they were probably not going to make the field. Seems like they would be in with that net.  

[Uspshoosier]

17 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Question for you bracketologists.  Is ISU safely in?  There net ranking was 26 before their loss today.  Drake was 47, so I wouldn't think ISU would fall too far.  The CBS crew talked like they were probably not going to make the field. Seems like they would be in with that net.  

Not close to being safely in.    They are going to have a long wait this next week.  If they do get in they will probably be in the first 4.   Metrics are really good just don’t have any high end wins that mediocre power 5 teams can get.   It could go either way.  

[NashvilleHoosier]

So if all other things stayed exactly the same, but we had closed out a W against Kansas, does that change anything? 5-7 Q1, 10 Q1+Q2 wins….metrics still too bad to put us on the right side?

[Uspshoosier]

8 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

So if all other things stayed exactly the same, but we had closed out a W against Kansas, does that change anything? 5-7 Q1, 10 Q1+Q2 wins….metrics still too bad to put us on the right side?

Still too bad to be on the right side.   They would if needed to get one against Nebraska or Northwestern on top of that Kansas win to be considered