Bracketology and Team Resumes

[Uspshoosier 46,144]

Consensus? I know you and others have noted the major sources like ESPN as not being very accurate, but still gets the most publicity and shapes public opinion about teams I think. They have IU as a 10-seed as of this morning. 

http://bracketmatrix.com/
Has them as a 9. This averages every bracket that is submitted


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[Uspshoosier 46,144]

Consensus? I know you and others have noted the major sources like ESPN as not being very accurate, but still gets the most publicity and shapes public opinion about teams I think. They have IU as a 10-seed as of this morning. 

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/
This guy is the best in the business


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[JerryYeagley23 3,686]

I guess I just like to hear others thoughts to help balance out my own thoughts, which are that MSU’s resume is not 4-5 seeds better than IUs. Respect your opinion on this stuff USPS, so will defer to you. Just doesn’t seem like projections are justified when you look at the body of work. If MSU wasn’t considered a pre-season Top Five team, I don’t think they would be getting these projections. 

[JerryYeagley23 3,686]

I’ll tell you this, assuming we do get in the tourney, I PRAY that we get in a region with Auburn as the 3/4 seed with West Virginia a 4/5 seed. I’ve watched several games from both teams, and they would be a SOFT 3-5 seed. 

[Uspshoosier 46,144]

I guess I just like to hear others thoughts to help balance out my own thoughts, which are that MSU’s resume is not 4-5 seeds better than IUs. Respect your opinion on this stuff USPS, so will defer to you. Just doesn’t seem like projections are justified when you look at the body of work. If MSU wasn’t considered a pre-season Top Five team, I don’t think they would be getting these projections. 

The difference between seed lines this year is very small. Usually there is a noticeable separation between seeds but this year seeds 4-11 are closer then normal. I said earlier in the year throw the seeds out the window because it’s not going to matter what number is next to a teams name unless you are a top 3 seed. This tournament is going to be awesome.

 

 

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[RaceToTheTop 26,188]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

http://bracketmatrix.com/
Has them as a 9. This averages every bracket that is submitted


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And also has IU in all 103 brackets.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,719]

Seems like Rutgers is in real trouble, no? A real chance of closing the season on a 5 game losing streak and losing 8 of 10. 

[JerryYeagley23 3,686]

1 hour ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Seems like Rutgers is in real trouble, no? A real chance of closing the season on a 5 game losing streak and losing 8 of 10. 

Agree. Think they need one more win. And they’d have to get one either at home against Maryland or on the road against Purdue. Neither an easy task. Lose both of those and they’re likely the 10-seed in the conference tourney and needing a win against a 7-seed Iowa or Michigan. I don’t think 18-14 gets them in. But who knows really. I’m sitting here listening to the announcers of the Minny/Maryland game talking about Minny’s tourney resume like they’re still very much alive at 13-13 overall. ??

[rcbowla 7,138]

Agree. Think they need one more win. And they’d have to get one either at home against Maryland or on the road against Purdue. Neither an easy task. Lose both of those and they’re likely the 10-seed in the conference tourney and needing a win against a 7-seed Iowa or Michigan. I don’t think 18-14 gets them in. But who knows really. I’m sitting here listening to the announcers of the Minny/Maryland game talking about Minny’s tourney resume like they’re still very much alive at 13-13 overall. ??

In fairness at this point last season we were Minnesota and against all odds we still had a realistic chance. I'm no expert so maybe the 2 are much farther apart resume wise but seems to be a relatively fair comparison to me.

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[JerryYeagley23 3,686]

18 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

In fairness at this point last season we were Minnesota and against all odds we still had a realistic chance. I'm no expert so maybe the 2 are much farther apart resume wise but seems to be a relatively fair comparison to me.

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I think Minny’s problem really just comes down to too many losses. Even if they hang on for a nice win at home against Maryland tonight, they’d have to win @IU or @Wiscy, and they only have two road wins all year. So assuming they get Nebraska at home to end the season, they’re likely sitting at 15-15 heading into the B1G tourney. Don’t know too many teams who got at-large bids with only 15 or 16 wins. They would most likely have to win three games in the conference tourney and make it to the semis, and even then you’re talking an 18-16 overall record. 

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57 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

In fairness at this point last season we were Minnesota and against all odds we still had a realistic chance. I'm no expert so maybe the 2 are much farther apart resume wise but seems to be a relatively fair comparison to me.

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The big difference is that last year the Big Ten wasn't as highly rated as this year.  Everyone agrees this year that the Big Ten is the top conference.  It wasn't last year.

That said, if someone can explain to me how Ohio State at 18-9 and 8-8 in conference with a non-conference schedule worse than IU's (according to KenPom) can be ranked 23rd in both polls while IU at 18-9 and 8-8 in conference can't even get a single vote, I'm willing to listen.

[Uspshoosier 46,144]

The big difference is that last year the Big Ten wasn't as highly rated as this year.  Everyone agrees this year that the Big Ten is the top conference.  It wasn't last year.

That said, if someone can explain to me how Ohio State at 18-9 and 8-8 in conference with a non-conference schedule worse than IU's (according to KenPom) can be ranked 23rd in both polls while IU at 18-9 and 8-8 in conference can't even get a single vote, I'm willing to listen.

Last year the B1G got the most teams in the tournament the conference has ever gotten. It wasn’t the top conference last year but the committee respected them by giving them 8 bids.

 

I can’t speak on the poll side of it because polls are pointless.

I also can’t explain why their NET is 30+ spots better because the formula is secret.

 

I can tell you that Ohio St has a better overall resume then IU does when looking at the overall team sheets.

 

 

 

 

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[Uspshoosier 46,144]

http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?src=desktop
Lunardi must be sick. He moved IU up to the 9 line after last nights loss. Unusual coming from him who usually has them lower then everyone else. FWIW I have them as a 9 as well


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[Stuhoo 81,478]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?src=desktop
Lunardi must be sick. He moved IU up to the 9 line after last nights loss. Unusual coming from him who usually has them lower then everyone else. FWIW I have them as a 9 as well


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His work product finally was adjusted to reflect our current status. He was plain old lazy until then.

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,182]

Delphi Bracketology earlier this morning.

Indiana 9/10 seed- 6 quad 1 wins driving their resume.  No losses out of top 50. 

Purdue- out 4-11 quad 1 & 9-13 quads 1/2.  Bad loss at Nebraska & 4-10 away from home holding the Boilers back.

Butler- 6 seed. Could be a 5

[IUc2016 7,121]

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

IU is a 9 playing Florida in this updated bracket. Baylor is the 1 seed in this region with the first weekend played in Houston. 

 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,544]

http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?src=desktop
Lunardi must be sick. He moved IU up to the 9 line after last nights loss. Unusual coming from him who usually has them lower then everyone else. FWIW I have them as a 9 as well


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He was on Fort Wayne radio last night before the game and the host was bragging up Indiana, Purdue, and Notre Dame.

It was fresh on his mind. Lol.


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[Bobman1 2,909]

Anyone have that link to the Big Ten Tournament generator from last year?


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[JerryYeagley23 3,686]

33 minutes ago, Bobman1 said:

Anyone have that link to the Big Ten Tournament generator from last year?


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http://bball.notnothing.net/big10.php?sport=mbb

[RaceToTheTop 26,188]

Liberty down 12 to Lipscomb with 7 1/2 minutes left.  It’s one they can’t afford to lose and have a chance at an at large if they don’t win their tournament.