Purdue at Indiana Game Thread - 7:00pm ESPN2

[Old Friend 8,575]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

Green for you, Smith for me. I think more often than not Smith is slow, lazy, soft and lost. At some point potential and athleticism is pointless


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If you have any room on that bandwagon, I may need a ticket.

I'm willing to give him into next season because I saw some flashes of a really good player a year ago; but I don't disagree with one word of what you said.

[DChoosier 9,303]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

Green for you, Smith for me. I think more often than not Smith is slow, lazy, soft and lost. At some point potential and athleticism is pointless


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They both drive me nuts. Tonight they played a combined 38 minutes and were 2-13 from the field with 6 TO’s and 1 assist (Smith did have 6 boards).  I would love to know Smith’s shooting percentage when he takes shots within 3 feet. He seems to eat half of them and miss a quarter of the others.

[Old Friend 8,575]

6 minutes ago, Fkfootball1 said:

Why not just dump Archie at the end of the year? Hes obviously not going to get it done. I dont want to delay the inevitable again.

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The pieces don't fit.  They just don't.  Yes...the concept of a total rebuild is fabricated CYA bull ___.   Absolutely.  Is some of this on Archie?  Yep.  Our offense is Godawful.    But...the pieces just don't fit.  I don't think anything is obvious yet, but his seat is going to get hot without improvement next season.

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

15 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

I don't expect anyone to agree with me about him.  I'm venting, really,  I just hate the way he plays.  1-7 from the floor tonight w 3 turnovers; and it's not as though that's an uncommon stat line for him.  He's is - to me - un-necessarily cocky.  His shot selection is awful; I think he's careless and fundamentally bad.   

I'm just done with him.   I've seen 3 year's worth of him.  He is not "our problem" as I see it, but I think he is "a problem," and he doesn't help us win.   Cocky is one thing.  Dumb and situationally unaware is another.  The best team mates don't try to do things they can't do.  He tries to "make plays" all the time, and he's just not that great at it.

My dislike for him as a player is a me thing.  I just didn't see anything tonight that changed my mind and I thought he took - again - some ill advised shots for him.    

I’m with you on Green. 

[Old Friend 8,575]

Just now, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I’m with you on Green. 

Whew.  An ally.  Always appreciated!!  

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

2 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

The pieces don't fit.  They just don't.  Yes...the concept of a total rebuild is fabricated CYA bull ___.   Absolutely.  Is some of this on Archie?  Yep.  Our offense is Godawful.    But...the pieces just don't fit.  I don't think anything is obvious yet, but his seat is going to get hot without improvement next season.

Next year, if the offense is still this lost, I don’t see how he survives to year 4. It has been embarrassingly bad.

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

2 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Whew.  An ally.  Always appreciated!!  

I can’t stand watching him with the ball in his hands. The most Green play of all time was when he brought the ball up in transition, slowed it down, tried to put on some showtime dribbles, and lost the ball out of bounds. That one play was a great summary of his time at IU so far. I’m done with him. Indiana basketball can do better. 

[DChoosier 9,303]

Just now, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Next year, if the offense is still this lost, I don’t see how he survives to year 4. It has been embarrassingly bad.

The worrisome thing is that I would not bet much on the offense improving next year.

Freshman TJD replacing senior Morgan and Franklin replacing Romeo does not give me a lot of hope of big improvement unless we land a few other players (Brooks, a longshot these days and one or two shooters). Even if we land a good shooter or two they will most likely be freshmen that are a year or two away.

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

1 minute ago, DChoosier said:

The worrisome thing is that I would not bet much on the offense improving next year.

Freshman TJD replacing senior Morgan and Franklin replacing Romeo does not give me a lot of hope of big improvement unless we land a few other players (Brooks, a longshot these days and one or two shooters). Even if we land a good shooter or two they will most likely be freshmen that are a year or two away.

Yeah, I don’t have high hopes. The improvement would have to come from coaching and player development. Either way, next year is “prove it” time for this staff. 

[cappymo14 2,276]

I don't expect anyone to agree with me about him.  I'm venting, really,  I just hate the way he plays.  1-7 from the floor tonight w 3 turnovers; and it's not as though that's an uncommon stat line for him.  He's is - to me - un-necessarily cocky.  His shot selection is awful; I think he's careless and fundamentally bad.   

I'm just done with him.   I've seen 3 year's worth of him.  He is not "our problem" as I see it, but I think he is "a problem," and he doesn't help us win.   Cocky is one thing.  Dumb and situationally unaware is another.  The best team mates don't try to do things they can't do.  He tries to "make plays" all the time, and he's just not that great at it.

My dislike for him as a player is a me thing.  I just didn't see anything tonight that changed my mind and I thought he took - again - some ill advised shots for him.    

Situationally unaware is probably the highest quality description of DeVonte Green that these eyes have ever read. Take him or leave him, no matter what camp you side with, it’s a gamble to have him on the court. His minutes are an exercise in risk management. Like in Top Gun, “I don’t like you, cause you’re dangerous.” Right now though, I don’t know if Archie can justify keeping him out. We have that big of a scoring depth problem at the ball handling position. Can’t be Al, Can’t be Romeo.

 

 

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[Bailey7878 2,506]

Next year, if the offense is still this lost, I don’t see how he survives to year 4. It has been embarrassingly bad.

I'd be more optimistic if we had a few shooters lined up but we do not.
Maybe get lucky on some grad transfers cause its slim pickings on hs kids this time of year.

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[DChoosier 9,303]

1 minute ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I can’t stand watching him with the ball in his hands. The most Green play of all time was when he brought the ball up in transition, slowed it down, tried to put on some showtime dribbles, and lost the ball out of bounds. That one play was a great summary of his time at IU so far. I’m done with him. Indiana basketball can do better. 

The greatest hits video would be very long.  The number of unforced TO’s when throwing lazy lateral passes, pounding the ball into the dirt and then having to shoot a rushed shot to beat the shot clock,  putting up quick shots after we claw back to a small lead (there are times where it almost seems as though he thinks it’s time to “get his” now  that we have a lead) etc etc.

The maddening thing is that he has talent, if he chose to harness it, and does have stretches of playing strong defense and making good entry passes.  The risk/reward equation, however, is way out of whack. I had hoped he would stay within himself this year but after three years it is obvious that ship has sailed.

[Old Friend 8,575]

4 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

The worrisome thing is that I would not bet much on the offense improving next year.

Freshman TJD replacing senior Morgan and Franklin replacing Romeo does not give me a lot of hope of big improvement unless we land a few other players (Brooks, a longshot these days and one or two shooters). Even if we land a good shooter or two they will most likely be freshmen that are a year or two away.

I'm willing to bet there will be no less than 5 players on next season's team who have not played a second on this season's team.   Davis will be fine replacing Morgan and TJD will have some room to grow into the role.  I think Thompson plays some down there; and my true hope is either Forrester or Smith to get better in the paint.

I think there will be some attrition after this season; and I also believe Hunter will indeed play, and for all practical purposes be a freshman.   I think Phinisee and Durham will mature (and Phinisee will be healthy...I still believe something has been "off" since his concussion, but hard to put a finger on it).   There's hope....even without Morgan and Langford.  Shooters who can spread the defense a little would really help; and between freshmen and transfers, I bet we get 2-3 of them.   I think next season's roster is very different from what we see now.

[cthomas 6,562]

3 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

I'm willing to bet there will be no less than 5 players on next season's team who have not played a second on this season's team.   Davis will be fine replacing Morgan and TJD will have some room to grow into the role.  I think Thompson plays some down there; and my true hope is either Forrester or Smith to get better in the paint.

I think there will be some attrition after this season; and I also believe Hunter will indeed play, and for all practical purposes be a freshman.   I think Phinisee and Durham will mature (and Phinisee will be healthy...I still believe something has been "off" since his concussion, but hard to put a finger on it).   There's hope....even without Morgan and Langford.  Shooters who can spread the defense a little would really help; and between freshmen and transfers, I bet we get 2-3 of them.   I think next season's roster is very different from what we see now.

I would certainly hope so because I don't think anyone wants to endure another year like this one. The return on investment right now is very low and painful to watch.

[MikeRoberts 7,727]

I'm willing to bet there will be no less than 5 players on next season's team who have not played a second on this season's team.   Davis will be fine replacing Morgan and TJD will have some room to grow into the role.  I think Thompson plays some down there; and my true hope is either Forrester or Smith to get better in the paint.
I think there will be some attrition after this season; and I also believe Hunter will indeed play, and for all practical purposes be a freshman.   I think Phinisee and Durham will mature (and Phinisee will be healthy...I still believe something has been "off" since his concussion, but hard to put a finger on it).   There's hope....even without Morgan and Langford.  Shooters who can spread the defense a little would really help; and between freshmen and transfers, I bet we get 2-3 of them.   I think next season's roster is very different from what we see now.

Archie’s job and our support/apathy depend on next year being a very different team


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[DChoosier 9,303]

You gave me a little more hope.

A healthy De’Ron would mean a lot.

It would be huge if Hunter is able to play and is as good as advertised.

Hopefully (who knows) Thompson is helpful. Even though he only played a few minutes the other day he at least seemed to have a feel for where to position himself on defense and to rebound.  

Pre-concussion Rob would also be a big improvement.

Hope I’m wrong but am not sure about Smith turning it around as he seems to have regressed and his confidence level on offense seems to be around the zero level.

[Whoozhers 3,764]

Now we’re down once again to the golden ticket to get into the dance. Our first B1G Tournament Championship?
Stranger things have happened you know.....


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

It looked like the play was designed to be a handoff to Romeo, but Romeo didn’t create space from Eastern.  Romeo needed to jab-step to the baseline before running to the dribble handoff.  Since Romeo didn’t set up Eastern to create any space, Juwan couldn’t safely do the handoff.  

Romeo wasn’t creating enough space from Eastern all night. He consistently went too wide on screens allowing Eastern to come over the top and stay with him. Watched it happen at least 4 or 5 times.


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[reconmkd 4,685]

8 hours ago, Old Friend said:

I don't expect anyone to agree with me about him.  I'm venting, really,  I just hate the way he plays.  1-7 from the floor tonight w 3 turnovers; and it's not as though that's an uncommon stat line for him.  He's is - to me - un-necessarily cocky.  His shot selection is awful; I think he's careless and fundamentally bad.   

I'm just done with him.   I've seen 3 year's worth of him.  He is not "our problem" as I see it, but I think he is "a problem," and he doesn't help us win.   Cocky is one thing.  Dumb and situationally unaware is another.  The best team mates don't try to do things they can't do.  He tries to "make plays" all the time, and he's just not that great at it.

My dislike for him as a player is a me thing.  I just didn't see anything tonight that changed my mind and I thought he took - again - some ill advised shots for him.    

The one thing that really boils my blood is when Green tries that damn one handed side armed bounce pass! I literally want to rip the TV off the wall and smash it to pieces! When I see that arm go back I know, the defender knows, hell everyone knows he's gonna turn it over. How in the world can he not see that he is telegraphing to the defender whats about to happen? I'm not completely sure, but has that pass ever worked when he has had a defender near him? I've seen it work when no one is on him, but I'm pretty sure it has never worked when he is guarded!

[coonhounds 10,244]

Good morning btown banners. I am surprised i upset so many posters with saying a coach can effect shooting. I think shooting is effected mentally physically and by how you practice and style of play. Those are all things the coach should be able to influence imo. Another player is Evan fitzner. Some will say his shooting was not good at saint Mary's or he got lucky here at the beginning of the season or the competition level got to him. At the end of the day he went on a horrible stretch that cant be denied. To me every poster on this board to me is just fans with opinions and i like and respect all of them and all of us are wrong alot. Some are more connected to the program it seems. Sorry so long back to work I go. Have a good day

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