So some concerns I’m having...

[Rico 3,561]

27 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

What was the roster make up of those teams? Genuinely interested to see what they looked like. I agree that we have several areas for concern, but we are a relatively young team and injuries have plagued us and forced us to call on guys that just aren't ready.

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You can find it all there.

[IUrocker 2,489]

Saw an article that said “Archie’s teams at Dayton would have eaten this team for lunch, and then come back for another meal two hours later....Archie built a team and turned them into something mean. Something ferocious. The Hoosiers have a better roster than Dayton ever had but they’re not mean. They’re not ferocious.”

I think this is spot on. I think Archie is trying to turn this roster he inherited into the mean ferocious basketball players he wants, and they aren’t responding. Most of them don’t want to have to do it. They aren’t playing with any fight at all and that’s not on Archie at all. Them being soft and scared is the LAST thing Archie would want in a basketball team. Only the players themselves can dictate their own effort and toughness on the floor, and unfortunately for Archie, I think they have given up and don’t want to buy what Archie is selling anymore. 

I completely understand the injury issues and lack of players, but that doesn’t excuse the poor effort and lack of toughness displayed by the players who ARE on the court. Also, I do realize that there are some of Archie’s guys on this team that don’t really exude the mean, ferociousness either..  It’s not my place to speculate, but I can see next years roster looking way different. I think at this point I’m wondering what type of news as gonna break about different things at seasons end that make you go “Ah, so that’s what was going on.”..and shed some light onto having an idea of what next year is actually going to look like.  As far as this year, I’ll continue to root them on and hope for the best. 

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I understand that, but it gets somewhat old when people start talking "patience" and throw out their examples.  I will dive more into HoF coaches and what their records were.  But I get it when you are trying to "build" a program.

About as old as people saying “burn it down” of year 2 and throwing out their examples? Why does it matter so much to you if these people talk patience and throw out examples? You don’t feel that way and them posting about it isn’t going to change your stance just like you or anyone else posting about other coaches being successful in year 2 isn’t going to magically pied piper people over to the other side. Losing stinks no matter what side you are on


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[Bowhunter 3,129]

In the game thread I mentioned that our coaching staff waited too long to get Moore and Forrester playing time. People be like look they aren’t ready. Yes that’s right because they sat on the bench while we were getting drummed all those games with McRoberts and Fitzner adding next to nothing.

I want to see improvement and something to build off of for next season. Archie won’t be fired, but if it happens after year 3 or 4 than that’s on him for not winning and Glass should be let go at the same time.

This is Indiana and we have a right to have a good product on the floor. We have a right to be pissed when our team shows poor effort and loses to Rutgers.

I have know problem with Archie going after one and dones, especially if they are from Indiana. Most winning programs have them, unfortunately we don’t have the right pieces to go with Romeo. I want to see shooters like Indiana basketball has been known for. We have to spread the floor with this offense, but until then run the flex or some other motion offense to get some shots close to the basket. Come on coaching staff!




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[Rico 3,561]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

About as old as people saying “burn it down” of year 2 and throwing out their examples? Why does it matter so much to you if these people talk patience and throw out examples? You don’t feel that way and them posting about it isn’t going to change your stance just like you or anyone else posting about other coaches being successful in year 2 isn’t going to magically pied piper people over to the other side. Losing stinks no matter what side you are on


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I am not in the "burn it down" camp.  Trust me.  Just countering facts with other facts.

[Bailey7878 2,506]

About as old as people saying “burn it down” of year 2 and throwing out their examples? Why does it matter so much to you if these people talk patience and throw out examples? You don’t feel that way and them posting about it isn’t going to change your stance just like you or anyone else posting about other coaches being successful in year 2 isn’t going to magically pied piper people over to the other side. Losing stinks no matter what side you are on


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We have been patient for 20 years. It gets old being patient year in and out. Not sure why you are surprised people have lost patience with the program

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I am not in the "burn it down" camp.  Trust me.  Just countering facts with other facts.

Nothing wrong that. If Archie doesn’t get it turned around this year. Hopefully he is in the camp of struggling in year 2 and turning it around after that for all our sakes because he isn’t going anywhere anytime soon


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[Rico 3,561]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Nothing wrong that. If Archie doesn’t get it turned around this year. Hopefully he is in the camp of struggling in year 2 and turning it around after that for all our sakes because he isn’t going anywhere anytime soon


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Basically what I am hearing from Dayton fans on other sites, is they hope we have faith with Arch.  They think the world of him.  And Flyer fans are all for Archie succeeding here.

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1 minute ago, Bailey7878 said:

We have been patient for 20 years. It gets old being patient year in and out. Not sure why you are surprised people have lost patience with the program

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Not surprised people have lost patience over the years.   Not sure why you are surprised people are willing to be patient with the program even after 25 plus years of struggles.   People love IU basketball to the core and will stick through it until the end.   Archie’s success or failure has nothing to do with the past 25 years of Indiana basketball.  His clock started March 2017 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

Nothing wrong that. If Archie doesn’t get it turned around this year. Hopefully he is in the camp of struggling in year 2 and turning it around after that for all our sakes because he isn’t going anywhere anytime soon


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Even dakich seems year three is make or break for archie. Missing the ncaa may be it.

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5 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

We have been patient for 20 years. It gets old being patient year in and out. Not sure why you are surprised people have lost patience with the program

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I find it hard to not have patience for this coach when since 1998 we are on our 6th coach. The university has not exactly given any chance to establish a long running culture of winning like they had when I was growing up in the late 80s and 90s. The longest tenure of those 6 coaches was 9 years and we all know how that roller coaster was! Which IMO, It should have ended after the Syracuse debacle of losing 2 times within a year and not having any clue what to do with a zone defense. The team is now trying to pull a 180 in terms of culture and it is taking more time than all us fans were hoping for. Am I a CAM apologist, no, nor am I happy with losing. I want this team to win, I want my kids to experience IU winning another banner like I got to as a kid, I want them to cherish IU basketball like I do. Is CAM the answer, IDK, but I am still giving him the chance to show that he can.

[Bailey7878 2,506]

I find it hard to not have patience for this coach when since 1998 we are on our 6th coach. The university has not exactly given any chance to establish a long running culture of winning like they had when I was growing up in the late 80s and 90s. The longest tenure of those 6 coaches was 9 years and we all know how that roller coaster was! Which IMO, It should have ended after the Syracuse debacle of losing 2 times within a year and not having any clue what to do with a zone defense. The team is now trying to pull a 180 in terms of culture and it is taking more time than all us fans were hoping for. Am I a CAM apologist, no, nor am I happy with losing. I want this team to win, I want my kids to experience IU winning another banner like I got to as a kid, I want them to cherish IU basketball like I do. Is CAM the answer, IDK, but I am still giving him the chance to show that he can.

Thats fine but if he misses the ncaa again next year we got big time problems.

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Just now, Bailey7878 said:

Thats fine but if he misses the ncaa again next year we got big time problems.

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And that is an issue that needs to be addressed when that time comes, not now. So, IMO, everyone who is willing to at least allow CAM to get through next season, needs to step back from the ledge, vent in the game threads about the teams issues during the game, and move on. This constant bickering (not singling you out at all just in general) back and forth for days or even weeks arguing the same points over and over is getting old. Everyone has gotten the point, some believe CAM isn't the answer, some believe he is, and some believe its too early to tell. I have gotten to the point where I don't even check the board anymore during a game.

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47 minutes ago, Rico said:

Basically what I am hearing from Dayton fans on other sites, is they hope we have faith with Arch.  They think the world of him.  And Flyer fans are all for Archie succeeding here.

 

^^ This this this ^^

A notable take -  I have a buddy who is a Dayton alum and understands the game of basketball. He does not merely 'think' Archie will succeed, he is 100% convinced.

 

[Uspshoosier 54,502]

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/01/31/indiana-hoosiers-rutgers-archie-miller-romeo-langford



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3 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Hasn’t given a chance? What? Davis was around for how long? Crean was around for how long? Sampson screwed himself and Dakich wasn’t getting the job.


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I stated a chance to establish a "winning culture." The administration has mishandled everything/screwed the pooch, however you want to say it, since they canned Knight and yes Sampson screwed himself. That was my point, not really that a coach has or has not had a chance, hence the sentence started with the university not coaches. Which is why I followed with a statement that Crean was here too long. Now we are faced with getting rid of a culture that preached no defense, got to play faster, shotgun recruiting methods, and no player accountability. As for Davis, he was interim coach for the 2000 season and officially hired as head coach March 21, 2001. He resigned in Feb 2006 effective end of season as he was feeling the hot seat constantly from the previous season. 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

And that is an issue that needs to be addressed when that time comes, not now. So, IMO, everyone who is willing to at least allow CAM to get through next season, needs to step back from the ledge, vent in the game threads about the teams issues during the game, and move on. This constant bickering (not singling you out at all just in general) back and forth for days or even weeks arguing the same points over and over is getting old. Everyone has gotten the point, some believe CAM isn't the answer, some believe he is, and some believe its too early to tell. I have gotten to the point where I don't even check the board anymore during a game.

I am giving him three year and he is on thed clock.

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16 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

I am giving him three year and he is on thed clock.

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Bailey7878 in action:  ;)

 

 

 

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Bailey7878 in action:  ;)
 
 
 

You know it. But archie should not worry Feeddie boy as a long lease and an exstension pen ready.

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[Rico 3,561]

7 hours ago, Bailey7878 said:

Even dakich seems year three is make or break for archie. Missing the ncaa may be it.

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The same Dakich that "pined" for Steve Alford to be the HC at IU?  Dan is just a "shock jock".  He revels in it.