Indiana at Virginia - Saturday 9/9 @ 3:30 ET on ESPNU

[JSHoosier 19,775]

13 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Lol what a joke. Just boggles my mind. 

 

I'd expect that from our former basketball coach.  At the very least Ramsey earned the chance to show what he can do; we know this won't be the last time that Lagow sucks out loud.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,758]

1 minute ago, JSHoosier said:

I'd expect that from our former basketball coach.  At the very least Ramsey earned the chance to show what he can do; we know this won't be the last time that Lagow sucks out loud.

It definitely seems very Crean-esque. The next two games are against weak teams and would give Ramsey a lot of good reps before we face the rest of the Big 10 gauntlet. At the least it would show us whether Ramsey is capable of repeating this kind of performance. Sticking with Lagow doesn't make much sense to me. It's inevitable that he'll throw a pick or two next weekend and several other balls that should be picked. Juggling between two quarterbacks makes even less sense to me because it keeps either from establishing a rhythm. 

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

38 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

What holds no weight is Zander was never asked to throw the ball much. We had a FAR better running game when he was here; and generally speaking he was a substitute to run the read option.   You really think that's an equal comparison?

You have a selective memory. He had plenty of opportunities to throw in 2014 as Hoosierfan showed above and it was a total FAIL. This was with a great O-line and a 2000+ yard running back. 

[Stuhoo 79,455]

While my power is still on in S Fla I'll try to weigh in:

Zander was 5'11, 185. He was never going to realistically last in a game long enough to complete 16 passes.

Ramsey does not have a great arm, but of course he throws it better than Zander; that's a low standard.

Ramsey is not the quick burst highlight possibility runner that Zander was, but he's not bad and at least I don't fear for his personal safety when he's in the game.

Ramsey did a really nice job with his decision making today. Especially for his first game. Hell, for any game.

 

Most importantly, though I'm sure that Coach DeBoard will tailor his offense to the personnel he has, it is very well established that he prefers a combo-running qb to a pure dropback passer. Sooooo...welcome to the Peyton Ramsey era it would seem.

 

 

 

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Lol what a joke. Just boggles my mind. 

 

Definitely odd. I guess he feels that if he gives the nod to Ramsey outright you cant go back to Lagow. Sounds like he wants to keep his options open at least for the time being. Ramsey will still play plenty. It says a lot that Allen never went back to Lagow in the game today. 

[JSHoosier 19,775]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It definitely seems very Crean-esque. The next two games are against weak teams and would give Ramsey a lot of good reps before we face the rest of the Big 10 gauntlet. At the least it would show us whether Ramsey is capable of repeating this kind of performance. Sticking with Lagow doesn't make much sense to me. It's inevitable that he'll throw a pick or two next weekend and several other balls that should be picked. Juggling between two quarterbacks makes even less sense to me because it keeps either from establishing a rhythm. 

If you play 2 QBs, then you don't have a QB.  At no point in Lagow's time has he earned this kind of devotion, he's probably had more games like tonight than he's had games where he looked like he belonged on the field.  I think Ramsey at least earned his chance to be the guy over a player we know will completely crap the bed at some point.

[GnarlyTimGarl 1,425]

A few thoughts on the game...

- I'm not sure Virginia wins too many games this year. I'm certainly not trying to downplay this W, but let's just keep things in perspective. They're very basic and have few weapons on either side of the ball. That being said...

- We beat a Power 5 team on the road. Again. And we did it convincingly. We're starting to build consistency as a program. We're not a bottom-feeder anymore. Many folks are getting caught-up in the IU-fueled "breakthrough" mantra, but we've definitely improved as a program the last three years or so with wins like this one. We can't take these W's for granted.

- Our defense played pretty well today. Not great, but solid. Didn't give up big plays. Kept things in front of them. I'd like to see them make a few more "big" plays, but I'll take today's effort. They kept things in-check while our offense was trying to figure things out. Still think the defense can play better, though. Like to see a few more takeaways that actually count...

- Special teams! Alright! Really outplayed them in this segment of the game. Harris can be a threat in the punt return game. Williams had a couple solid returns as well. Punting game was solid. And Oakes made a couple of though kicks at important times. That's how you win ball games.

- The QB issue. A lot of hot takes on this thus far. As always, the truth probably lies somewhere in between. There's no doubt that we caught them off guard with Ramsey's mobility. Defenses will start to focus on Ramsey now, too. And that will make a difference. That being said, I've seen a lot of hubbub in this thread on the one throw that he made to Hale... kind of like that's an aberration and that he can't make that throw on a regular basis. My question is: How do we know that? We didn't need him to do that today. We needed him to manage the game, move the ball and not turn the ball over. Check, check and check. Does he have Lagow's arm? No. Can he make the throws that Lagow can make? It remains to be seen. But about half the time Lagow can't make the throws Lagow makes (speaking of his consistent inconsistencies.) It was also said that Ramsey wasn't going to beat Wisconsin, Michigan, etc. No, but he could beat Rutgers, Illinois, Purdue, etc. Ramsey isn't a great QB right now, but he's more than a novelty and any assertion to the contrary completely disregards his effort today.

- That being said... I still think we need Lagow and he deserves to play some. Ramsey played well today, but he didn't light the world on fire. He played well. Lagow has played well in the past, too. Someone said if we have two QBs we really don't have any... not sure about that. Again, we've played two games. We can't answer that question. It's good to have some options so we don't have to solely rely on either one this season.

[JSHoosier 19,775]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

While my power is still on in S Fla I'll try to weigh in:

Zander was 5'11, 185. He was never going to realistically last in a game long enough to complete 16 passes.

Ramsey does not have a great arm, but of course he throws it better than Zander; that's a low standard.

Ramsey is not the quick burst highlight possibility runner that Zander was, but he's not bad and at least I don't fear for his personal safety when he's in the game.

Ramsey did a really nice job with his decision making today. Especially for his first game. Hell, for any game.

 

Most importantly, though I'm sure that Coach DeBoard will tailor his offense to the personnel he has, it is very well established that he prefers a combo-running qb to a pure dropback passer. Sooooo...welcome to the Peyton Ramsey era it would seem.

 

 

 

You'd think DeBoard would tailor his offense, but then again he's tried designed runs with Lagow taking snaps.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,758]

9 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

If you play 2 QBs, then you don't have a QB.  At no point in Lagow's time has he earned this kind of devotion, he's probably had more games like tonight than he's had games where he looked like he belonged on the field.  I think Ramsey at least earned his chance to be the guy over a player we know will completely crap the bed at some point.

I don't understand the devotion either. If we were in a situation where we didn't have any quality backups then I would understand sticking with him out of necessity, but that's not the case. At the least Ramsey showed that hes a competent quarterback. He deserves the right to show what he can do for a full game.

We know what we have with Lagow, and it doesn't look like he has improved from last year. We just aren't a talented enough team to be able to afford turning it over several times a game, and thats a risk you take whenever Lagow takes the field. 

[cthomas 6,295]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I don't understand the devotion either. If we were in a situation where we didn't have any quality backups then I would understand sticking with him out of necessity, but that's not the case. At the least Ramsey showed that hes a competent quarterback. He deserves the right to show what he can do for a full game.

We know what we have with Lagow, and it doesn't look like he has improved from last year. We just aren't a talented enough team to be able to afford turning it over several times a game, and thats a risk you take whenever Lagow takes the field. 

Hopefully, over the next couple of games this will sort itself out. Having two completely different quarterbacks may not be a bad thing at times going forward. I trust that the staff has a better handle on things than I do.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,758]

2 minutes ago, cthomas said:

Hopefully, over the next couple of games this will sort itself out. Having two completely different quarterbacks may not be a bad thing at times going forward. I trust that the staff has a better handle on things than I do.

Yeah I can see the advantages to having two different quarterbacks. Idk, I personally just don't like the idea of playing two quarterbacks. I didn't like it when Wilson did it with Roberson and Sudfeld either. It seems like it'd be hard to get a rhythm when you're being subbed in and out. 

[Alford Bailey 12,348]

Well, appears we DO have options at QB. Lagow will still play ALOT but nice to know the staff isnt afraid to sit his butt.

[Yogi'sBicep 1,048]

Give it to the hot hand !!

[Yogi'sBicep 1,048]

Can anyone point me to the highlight reel?

[Magnanimous 4,457]

Lagow is being weened out for Ramsey. He isn't going to lose the starting job after one game, but he isn't going to be taking all of the snaps next week either. He must be practicing a lot better than Ramsey at this point, which is what a lot of coaches put stock into as much as game tape. Lagow will have a short leash next week and Ramsey will play regardless. 

[JSHoosier 19,775]

27 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah I can see the advantages to having two different quarterbacks. Idk, I personally just don't like the idea of playing two quarterbacks. I didn't like it when Wilson did it with Roberson and Sudfeld either. It seems like it'd be hard to get a rhythm when you're being subbed in and out. 

I'm not even the camp of rotating QBs and never will be.  That position is too important to not have comfort and rhythm.  I pretty firmly believe if you play 2 QBs then you don't have one.

[Hurryin' Hoosiers 1,951]

Watching it on dvr now..targeting call was bull crap

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[Hoosierfan2017 20,758]

11 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I'm not even the camp of rotating QBs and never will be.  That position is too important to not have comfort and rhythm.  I pretty firmly believe if you play 2 QBs then you don't have one.

Agreed. Pick a quarterback and stick with him. If he stinks up the joint then yank him and put in someone else. Don't rotate back and forth throughout a game though. 

[Hurryin' Hoosiers 1,951]

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[WayneFleekHoosier 47,875]

Watched the game, of course.

Pretty impressive performance IMO. Ramsey was impressive. Ellison is going to be really good. Already is. Very curious to see how we handle QB going forward. Lagow can make throws that Ramsey can't. Ramsey ran a solid offense though. That's going to be a tough choice. I don't really know why Majette is getting any more carries. In all his attempts I've been underwhelmed.

I enjoyed the game and was happy to see us get the W.


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