Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,976]

I can't agree with that statement in regards to OG.  But when he saw his draft potential remain high in spite of the injury he's making the smart move by taking the money and running.  Don't like it, but it's the smart move for OG.  As for TB, I think his decision to leave was sealed when FG terminated FCTC.  Clearly he always had pro dreams but barring the termination, I believe he would have stuck around for another season and would have played hard for FCTC.  JBJ had checked out of IU after his freshman season because he always saw himself as a one and one and in reality maybe he really never 'checked in'.  Clearly IU was never the #1 focus for JBJ.

I agree with this. Well stated OF.


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[HoosierAloha 30,024]

If we work through the post we will be fine. We have guys in the gym making that jump as we speak. We just don't have a player going to make contested 3's. Hopefully we don't have to anymore. I actually like our team and it's potential. It is just going to have to start at the defensive end.


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Agree with this. It's amazing how good shooters turn into great shooters when they're wide open after a pass from the post. Davis has the potential to be extremely difficult to guard in the post. I can see Morgan and Hartman both being difficult matchups too.

[Hoosier Guy 7,518]

Everything I've seen including the actions this off season indicate getting to the league has always been the #1 goal, with winning games being a byproduct.

Instead of the vice versa. Winning games begetting NBA draft opportunities.

I know it's hard to differentiate but it's how I feel. As soon as our players saw themselves on Mock draft boards it was over. BB4IU alluded to this before as well.




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This is how I feel as well. Those guys just couldn't wait until the season concluded. And that becomes much more apparent now with the departures of said players


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[Hoosierfan2017 20,935]

Losing Blackmon sucks, but we'll be okay. I see our team being a scrappy bunch that plays with a chip on their shoulder.

De'ron has the chance to be a star next year and by staying in Bloomington all summer it looks like he's serious about reaching that level. Devonté has that swagger that you need from your point guard and I think Archie is really going to like him.

I'm excited to watch them play next year. We lost a lot of offensive firepower, but we ended up with an experienced team that will give 100% and play all season long like they have something to prove. I think Archie will really get them to feed off that underdog label. 

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

Well at least we are no longer over signed, right? Not surprised by the news that all three of those guys are staying in the draft. Good luck to them. I hope they represent IU well wherever their pro careers take them. Will be interesting to see how the rotation shakes out come winter.  

[Stuhoo 79,798]

Now, it feels less like a "collection of talent" and more like a team.

 

 

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

1 hour ago, Hoosier Guy said:

It'll look good defensively though for obvious reasons. IU will be fine. They've got Archie


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Probably not this year. Better? Yes. Good? I am not holding my breath for it. 

[AKHoosier 6,747]

59 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Agree with this. It's amazing how good shooters turn into great shooters when they're wide open after a pass from the post. Davis has the potential to be extremely difficult to guard in the post. I can see Morgan and Hartman both being difficult matchups too.

Yep and the inverse is also true.  It's amazing how good shooters can turn into bad shooters when they're no longer wide open after a pass from the post.

You'll see it next year at Purdue when Swanigan is no longer there to kick it out to Mathias, Cline, Thompson, etc for a wide open 3.  I'm sure some of those guys really did improve as shooters, but a huge reason why their numbers went up was because Swanigan was double-teamed, leaving a perimeter guy open.

[Brass Cannon 24,271]

We aren't going to have to start a freshmen and will start 3 possibly 4 upper class men. That with good coaching should put us in good position every game

[Josh 12,569]

Everything I've seen including the actions this off season indicate getting to the league has always been the #1 goal, with winning games being a byproduct.

Instead of the vice versa. Winning games begetting NBA draft opportunities.

I know it's hard to differentiate but it's how I feel. As soon as our players saw themselves on Mock draft boards it was over. BB4IU alluded to this before as well.




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I don't buy it. I feel like Bryant desperately wanted to win. Same with OG and Blackmon. The only one who seemed to check out was Rojo imo

[Stuhoo 79,798]

 

Y'all understand that this will be by far the most talented collection of players that Archie will have ever worked with, yes?

 

 

[VO5 8,272]

34 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Now, it feels less like a "collection of talent" and more like a team.

 

 

Less guys worried about the NBA and more out to prove themselves. I think that's the type of team Archie excels with. I'm excited for the upcoming year

[Aaron 4,265]

I don't mean to get on "Brass Cannon" at all as I like him as a poster but he still has not updated the chart in his original post to reflect Bryant and JBJ's departure. Understandable with JBJ since it happened this morning but I would of thought Bryant would be updated in the chart by now.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,182]

If we work through the post we will be fine. We have guys in the gym making that jump as we speak. We just don't have a player going to make contested 3's. Hopefully we don't have to anymore. I actually like our team and it's potential. It is just going to have to start at the defensive end.


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This all day long. I don't see the gloom and Doom next yr. Will we be top 4? Probably not. But I think better than our finish this yr.

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[recker222000 1,010]

I wish these guys well, I genuinely do, but it really explains in part, why our season was such a disaster.

I think all 3 have a shot at the NBA if things go bounce their way. I could see all 3 flame out too. Neither would surprise me. All 3 easily have the potential to play professionally even if it's not the NBA.

Bottom line, winning games at IU wasn't the #1 focus of our best guys.


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You got it.

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[Aaron 4,265]

I believe Blackmon was content to get out of IU hell or high water even if it means playing in Europe or D-league (I'm not criticizing him just making an observation). In end we get exact same roster Crean would of had in Archie's first year.

All scholarships now accounted for next year and days of roster crunches, over signings and allegedly forcing people out are gone for good!

[Aaron 4,265]

Kind of unrelated to this thread but Zeller's excellent character clearly shows again to come back to IU and finish degree and graduate. Not many people in Zeller's position do that given his relative NBA success and shows what a high class individual he is and how much he was raised right and values his education.

Again shows between him, Hulls, Oladipo, Watford and Elston how strong leadership was on that team and why it was so successful. Than it all got away from Crean and why he is gone now.

[Hoosier Guy 7,518]

Probably not this year. Better? Yes. Good? I am not holding my breath for it. 

They'll be a top 4 team in the B1G and make the NCAA tournament. I'll take that for the first year


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[Bowhunter 2,693]

Crean couldn't make the tournament with 3 NBA players on his roster.

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

Haven't been on here much lately, but the JBJ news was expected. I was at open gym in Marion the other day and during Summer the Blackmons along with Zach Randolph always hold an event for the community, so the talk was JBJ felt like he didn't have a choice. The scholarship numbers hurt him and TB. Not saying Archie forced either of them, but once all 3 commits came back in the fold, this was the expected outcome, specially when Hartman decided to play another year.

Point being is, let's not attack a kid who has been through as much as he has. The injuries alone would have been enough to make a kid question whether to play the game anymore, but JBJ always came back and never gave up. He is also a month away from actually graduating in 3 years. He never got in trouble off the court and always represented us well on it. His defense wasn't the greatest, but it was fun to watch him on offense. The critics who questioned his defense also never took in consideration what ACL injury(s) do to lateral quickness.

His prospects of playing in the NBA aren't the greatest, but his ability to score will put him on someones radar and once he is, it will be up to him to make the most of it. Whether it is the D League or Euro, he made this decision because he believes in himself and I can't fault him for that. I hope he finds a way on a NBA bench and so should any IU fan. Like I said at the beginning of this, someone was gonna have to go and none of us know what happened behind the scenes, but at least now we know who will be here next year and who won't. I expect RoJo to announce soon he is coming back.

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