TOM CREAN FIRED

[KingPG21 6,582]

Here's the thing... Most of you are older or haven't played the game. I'm fresh out of high school basketball in Indiana. I remember playing and our fans having the same attitudes towards my coach and the team. Why would they disagree with what is going on? Because they have no clue about game scheme or strategies. They're just fans that think they know the game. IF CREAN OR THE IU MENS BASKETBALL TEAM WAS TO LISTEN TO EVERYONES BS THEN THEY WOULD BE WORTHLESS. For once in your life, trust the game plan and support the damn team!! It's not like your negative opinions make a difference anyway.
You're all just typical fans that act like they know the game. When things are going good, you all promise Crean, when things are going bad, this thread gets started.
It's absolutely absurd. I'm not one to publicly show my emotion. But I love my damn Hoosiers and this thread pisses me off. Stick to your career and stop creating negative vibes for fellow Hoosiers.
There's NOTHING better than INDIANA BASKETBALL. It's time that you all support this team.

Passionate fan/student of IU,

B'ster Detty
Twitter- @bsteezyweezy


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I really can't stand the argument that you have to coach/play the game to understand the game. And that if you don't do either you don't/can't have a good grip on everything going on. Also, you are far off in saying people who are being critical of the program aren't supporting the program. There are some who aren't but the majority who are being critical are still supporting the program.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I really can't stand the argument that you have to coach/play the game to understand the game. And that if you don't do either you don't/can't have a good grip on everything going on. Also, you are far off in saying people who are being critical of the program aren't supporting the program. There are some who aren't but the majority who are being critical are still supporting the program.

To understand strategy and scheme, I agree, no experience is necessary. Where I would say that experience would count, is understanding how all the best schemes and strategies tend to be disrupted if the other team is talented and well coached. I think fans tend to look at it as so cut and dried simple, and never really understand that. Its kind of like looking at a battle and knowing the plan that the general has put together, and never understanding why it didn't go as planned. The rule in battle is that the plan is only good until the battle is engaged, after that its a matter of continual adjustment, recognizing strengths and weakness and using them to your advantage. 

 

That's called in-game coaching.

[BlueDevil 8,655]

[quote name="BsterDetty" post="38766" timestamp="1392444467"]Here's the thing... Most of you are older or haven't played the game. I'm fresh out of high school basketball in Indiana. I remember playing and our fans having the same attitudes towards my coach and the team. Why would they disagree with what is going on? Because they have no clue about game scheme or strategies. They're just fans that think they know the game. IF CREAN OR THE IU MENS BASKETBALL TEAM WAS TO LISTEN TO EVERYONES BS THEN THEY WOULD BE WORTHLESS. For once in your life, trust the game plan and support the damn team!! It's not like your negative opinions make a difference anyway.
You're all just typical fans that act like they know the game. When things are going good, you all promise Crean, when things are going bad, this thread gets started.
It's absolutely absurd. I'm not one to publicly show my emotion. But I love my damn Hoosiers and this thread pisses me off. Stick to your career and stop creating negative vibes for fellow Hoosiers.
There's NOTHING better than INDIANA BASKETBALL. It's time that you all support this team.

Passionate fan/student of IU,

B'ster Detty
Twitter- @bsteezyweezy


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Says the typical fan acting like he knows the game

[BsterDetty 7]

I think we both know who's right in this situation....


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[BlueDevil 8,655]

[quote name="BsterDetty" post="38806" timestamp="1392474219"]I think we both know who's right in this situation....


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Not gonna argue who is right or who is wrong. Nobody cares to see that. Have a good one homie.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I think you are both wrong, and enough of the pissing match.

[KingPG21 6,582]

To understand strategy and scheme, I agree, no experience is necessary. Where I would say that experience would count, is understanding how all the best schemes and strategies tend to be disrupted if the other team is talented and well coached. I think fans tend to look at it as so cut and dried simple, and never really understand that. Its kind of like looking at a battle and knowing the plan that the general has put together, and never understanding why it didn't go as planned. The rule in battle is that the plan is only good until the battle is engaged, after that its a matter of continual adjustment, recognizing strengths and weakness and using them to your advantage. 

 

That's called in-game coaching.

I agree for the most part. I do think you can only have a 100% understanding of the sport if you've played. But I think fans who have never played the game at a high level still do have the ability to understand the smaller parts and more complex aspects of the game. 

 

Off base, but I just have issues with the original post I quoted because it comes off as saying we should all just be cheerleaders who don't question anything. Instead we should just accept everything going on, and act like everything is just hunky dory. That destroys the point of message boards, which is to discuss the game/s and program 

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I agree for the most part. I do think you can only have a 100% understanding of the sport if you've played. But I think fans who have never played the game at a high level still do have the ability to understand the smaller parts and more complex aspects of the game. 

 

Off base, but I just have issues with the original post I quoted because it comes off as saying we should all just be cheerleaders who don't question anything. Instead we should just accept everything going on, and act like everything is just hunky dory. That destroys the point of message boards, which is to discuss the game/s and program 

Yeah, I know. Blind cheering has its place, but in the grand scheme if you have any perception, there are always faults. Recognizing and discussing those faults is part of why we are here. Some people just want to enjoy the game, and staying positive all the time allows them to do that. Some people want to analyze the game, and breaking it down is part of what they enjoy. On a bigger level, the whole season and the state of the program breaks down the same way for both sides. 

 

Personally, I have never been much for blind cheering. I have a critical eye. I understand that perfection is not a option, but I don't like settling for mediocrity. The title of this thread is such that anyone choosing to participate should come in with an understanding of whats being discussed, and castigating those who are participating in the discussion serves no purpose here. Any discussion that involves CTC and his coaching is a polarizing issue, and everyone would be best served to focus on making useful arguments for their case, than in allowing themselves to either take things to personal, or make things personal. 

 

So yes, I have no problem with your point. 

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Yeah, I know. Blind cheering has its place, but in the grand scheme if you have any perception, there are always faults. Recognizing and discussing those faults is part of why we are here. Some people just want to enjoy the game, and staying positive all the time allows them to do that. Some people want to analyze the game, and breaking it down is part of what they enjoy. On a bigger level, the whole season and the state of the program breaks down the same way for both sides. 

 

Personally, I have never been much for blind cheering. I have a critical eye. I understand that perfection is not a option, but I don't like settling for mediocrity. The title of this thread is such that anyone choosing to participate should come in with an understanding of whats being discussed, and castigating those who are participating in the discussion serves no purpose here. Any discussion that involves CTC and his coaching is a polarizing issue, and everyone would be best served to focus on making useful arguments for their case, than in allowing themselves to either take things to personal, or make things personal. 

 

So yes, I have no problem with your point. 

 

 

Some people don't care how critical you are as long as you're respectful and don't act like a screaming 12 year old spoiled brat when you do it. Is that really too much to ask?

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Some people don't care how critical you are as long as you're respectful and don't act like a screaming 12 year old spoiled brat when you do it. Is that really too much to ask?

Nope. It doesn't take too much emotional posting just to crap it up for everybody.

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

[quote name="BsterDetty" post="38806" timestamp="1392474219"]I think we both know who's right in this situation....


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Seriously, stop with these comments. We could care less if you are right or wrong, but these comments get you no place here. By this comment, it's easily seen how blinded you are by your age. It will get better, but QUIT saying your opinions are better because THEY ARE NOT!

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[Hwy 1 2,053]

Some people don't care how critical you are as long as you're respectful and don't act like a screaming 12 year old spoiled brat when you do it. Is that really too much to ask?

 

Let me add to this. If you're unhappy about something and can make an intelligent argument for your case I will either agree with you or not be the least bit upset and respect your view on it. If all you can do is scream like a petulant child then I don't have enough time left on this earth to have it wasted by your behavior.

[Rayl 527]

This has to be some kind of parody account. There's no way anyone rational could think they know more about the game because they just got out of high school basketball let alone have the arrogance to actually post that.

[kylehornsbyrules 16]

This has to be some kind of parody account. There's no way anyone rational could think they know more about the game because they just got out of high school basketball let alone have the arrogance to actually post that.

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[mdn82 25,510]

This has to be some kind of parody account. There's no way anyone rational could think they know more about the game because they just got out of high school basketball let alone have the arrogance to actually post that.

Nope, and as with most boards if someone wants to openly be a dbag they will be treated as such.  You are 100% correct on your assessment good sir.  

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Hwy 1" post="38282" timestamp="1392381453"]I doubt that the Btown Banners Twitter feed would have been telling everyone to bring their pitch forks and have at it. You never know though.[/quote]

Haha that's probably true. It was a mob mentality after that game so id say the joke is on pojnt


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[JSHoosier 19,811]

Here's the thing... Most of you are older or haven't played the game. I'm fresh out of high school basketball in Indiana. I remember playing and our fans having the same attitudes towards my coach and the team. Why would they disagree with what is going on? Because they have no clue about game scheme or strategies. They're just fans that think they know the game. IF CREAN OR THE IU MENS BASKETBALL TEAM WAS TO LISTEN TO EVERYONES BS THEN THEY WOULD BE WORTHLESS. For once in your life, trust the game plan and support the damn team!! It's not like your negative opinions make a difference anyway.
You're all just typical fans that act like they know the game. When things are going good, you all promise Crean, when things are going bad, this thread gets started.
It's absolutely absurd. I'm not one to publicly show my emotion. But I love my damn Hoosiers and this thread pisses me off. Stick to your career and stop creating negative vibes for fellow Hoosiers.
There's NOTHING better than INDIANA BASKETBALL. It's time that you all support this team.

Passionate fan/student of IU,

B'ster Detty
Twitter- @bsteezyweezy


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There is a difference between supporting the team and being a blind cheerleader pretending everything is roses and rainbows.  I will always support the team, but I will not be the latter.  Pointing out the flaws in Tom Crean's coaching stems from wanting the best for the program, you know, supporting the team.

 

If no one leaves, except for Will then we will be title contenders. Noah and co, will all improve and it will be unbelievable how much better they get, look at Yogi, I know that he didn't shoot much last year but he's now scoring 17 some points per game. Our biggest problem is 3pt Shooting and Turnovers, the turnovers will get better in the offseason and 3 pointers will get better when JBJ and RoJo and Hoetzel arrive. Tom is a great recruiter which makes it easier to coach whn you have great players on your team. Look at Cody, at Yogi, and at Noah, all players he recruited and had great seasons with(maybe not this year). Crean has brought us back from the dead, imagine us being where Purdue is now and Purdue being where we were last year. I don't like Crean when he's on the floor. I don't like his walking around or yelling his head off or even the Michigan Stunt. I wouldn't like him If I were a coach but I think, he's a good coach Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

We'll lose Will and Evan and probably Noah (I wouldn't stay if I was him).  So we'll be adding the likes of Blackmon, but our only post presence will be Hanner or Jurkin.  That opens a completely different can of worms.  Remember how much adding Cody helped?  He was the only real difference between 2011-2012 and 2010-2011, the rest of the real contributors were the same.

 

My issue with just saying Crean is a good coach, is that it's not backed by much.  We can hope and dream all we want, but it doesn't make it true.  His track record says he's closer to being Mike Davis, and Davis, I think we can all agree, is not a good coach.  Let's look at their careers at the same point, 13 years.

 

Crean:  1 conference title, 2 Sweet 16s, 1 Elite 8, 1 Final Four, 60.4 winning % 

Davis:  2 conference titles, 1 Sweet 16, 1 Elite 8, 1 Final Four, 60.6 winning %

 

Both coaches have the one run as an exception, and as each year passes it looks more and more like a fluke.  Crean has one more Sweet 16, but Davis has one more conference title and their winning percentages are nearly identical.  Davis isn't a good coach, but Crean is with practically the same track record?  I don't see how that works.  Crean has been coaching for 2 more years, in those 2 years he's added 1 conference title and another Sweet 16 which is the only real difference between their records and it's not a big difference.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

There is a difference between supporting the team and being a blind cheerleader pretending everything is roses and rainbows.  I will always support the team, but I will not be the latter.  Pointing out the flaws in Tom Crean's coaching stems from wanting the best for the program, you know, supporting the team.

 

We'll lose Will and Evan and probably Noah (I wouldn't stay if I was him).  So we'll be adding the likes of Blackmon, but our only post presence will be Hanner or Jurkin.  That opens a completely different can of worms.  Remember how much adding Cody helped?  He was the only real difference between 2011-2012 and 2010-2011, the rest of the real contributors were the same.

 

My issue with just saying Crean is a good coach, is that it's not backed by much.  We can hope and dream all we want, but it doesn't make it true.  His track record says he's closer to being Mike Davis, and Davis, I think we can all agree, is not a good coach.  Let's look at their careers at the same point, 13 years.

 

Crean:  1 conference title, 2 Sweet 16s, 1 Elite 8, 1 Final Four, 60.4 winning % 

Davis:  2 conference titles, 1 Sweet 16, 1 Elite 8, 1 Final Four, 60.6 winning %

 

Both coaches have the one run as an exception, and as each year passes it looks more and more like a fluke.  Crean has one more Sweet 16, but Davis has one more conference title and their winning percentages are nearly identical.  Davis isn't a good coach, but Crean is with practically the same track record?  I don't see how that works.  Crean has been coaching for 2 more years, in those 2 years he's added 1 conference title and another Sweet 16 which is the only real difference between their records and it's not a big difference.

Uh, is the number of Crean's Sweet 16's accurate? We just had back to back Sweet 16's and he had one at Marquette with Dwayne Wade, right? So that's 3.

 

BTW, started typing Tom Crean in Google and the fourth autofill option was "Tom Crean Kissing Son".

[JSHoosier 19,811]

Uh, is the number of Crean's Sweet 16's accurate? We just had back to back Sweet 16's and he had one at Marquette with Dwayne Wade, right? So that's 3.

 

BTW, started typing Tom Crean in Google and the fourth autofill option was "Tom Crean Kissing Son".

I said at the same point in the careers.  Davis has been a head coach for 13, this is Crean's 15th.  At 13 years that number is accurate.  The 3rd Sweet 16 came in year 14 of Crean's career, the direct comparison was just 13 years to be an equal measure.

 

I did write that Crean has been coaching two more years, which adds a conference title and Sweet 16.  Add those and it takes it to 2 conference titles (same as Davis) and 3 Sweet 16s.

 

Now that I look, his winning percentage isn't accurate at the 13 year mark.  That's his career winning %

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I said at the same point in the careers.  Davis has been a head coach for 13, this is Crean's 15th.  At 13 years that number is accurate.  The 3rd Sweet 16 came in year 14 of Crean's career, the direct comparison was just 13 years to be an equal measure.

 

I did write that Crean has been coaching two more years, which adds a conference title and Sweet 16.  Add those and it takes it to 2 conference titles (same as Davis) and 3 Sweet 16s.

 

Now that I look, his winning percentage isn't accurate at the 13 year mark.  That's his career winning %

10-4, I missed that.