TOM CREAN FIRED

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

6 minutes ago, cljones1979 said:

No reason we can't get 25-30 wins a year on a consistent basis

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Other than the fact that the B1G is usually a strong conference and you'd essentially need to go undefeated during nonconference play to accomplish 25-30 wins every year.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 87,204]

Very interesting article from the Indianapolis Business Journal and quotes from people that do get Fred's attention contrary to how some pundits have claimed that it was us little people that got FCTC fired.     [Former Coach Tom Crean]      And FWIW, I had contact with Steve Stitle on more than one occassion when I was gainfully employed many years ago and the man is a straight talker.  Tells it like it is.

  http://www.ibj.com/articles/62991-big-iu-donors-were-complaining-loudly-about-crean?utm_source=news-update&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=2017-03-16#.WMst37Rx_Eo.email

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

3 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Other than the fact that the B1G is usually a strong conference and you'd essentially need to go undefeated during nonconference play to accomplish 25-30 wins every year.

Not really 

10-3 non conference 

13-5 conference 

one win in BTT and 1 win in the NCAA tourney. With our resources looks very reasonable. For some coaches a down year. 

[Hoosier82 325]

I am thinking the talk concerning Fife is to bring him in as an assistant. Fred said it himself that there was going to be a good budget for assistants as well. It is time to do the plucking for assistant coaches rather than being plucked.


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[mark1981 1,382]

I was just listening to idiots on the Radio in Louisville.  Said IU fans were the most delusional fan base in the area and we are not close to an elite program.

I would argue that what makes you elite is a combination of a elite fan base (check), elite facilities (check), elite money (check), and elite coach (TBD). All we need is a coach. The talent and winning will return.

They make it sound as if it is impossible to improve our situation and that it is a zero sum game.  Only KY, UofL, Duke, NC, etc. can be elite and how dare we even try.

Pisses me off!!!!

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Not really 

10-3 non conference 

13-5 conference 

one win in BTT and 1 win in the NCAA tourney. With our resources looks very reasonable. For some coaches a down year. 

I was just thinking regular season. For context, Bob Knight only won 25 or more games 8 out of 29 seasons at Indiana... let's keep our expectations reasonable haha. (I know they played fewer games earlier on in his time at IU, but you get my point.)

[Hoosier82 325]

I was just listening to idiots on the Radio in Louisville.  Said IU fans were the most delusional fan base in the area and we are not close to an elite program.
I would argue that what makes you elite is a combination of a elite fan base (check), elite facilities (check), elite money (check), and elite coach (TBD). All we need is a coach. The talent and winning will return.
They make it sound as if it is impossible to improve our situation and that it is a zero sum game.  Only KY, UofL, Duke, NC, etc. can be elite and how dare we even try.
Pisses me off!!!!

What was Louisville at the end of Denny Crum's tenure? Far from elite. Everyone is one bad coaching hire from mediocrity.


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[HoosierAloha 30,090]

I agree we should expect a coach that can win 25 games consistently. My hope is we see more consistency with the floor much higher. A down year should be in the tourney as a 9-10 seed. That allows the new coach to maintain momentum and not hope the lift starts to take us back up.

25 wins in today's cbb world isn't some amazing feat, as BC pointed out above. 10 noncon wins, 10-12 conference wins, and a handful of wins in both tourneys does it.

[Magnanimous 4,725]

2 minutes ago, mark1981 said:

I was just listening to idiots on the Radio in Louisville.  Said IU fans were the most delusional fan base in the area and we are not close to an elite program.

I would argue that what makes you elite is a combination of a elite fan base (check), elite facilities (check), elite money (check), and elite coach (TBD). All we need is a coach. The talent and winning will return.

They make it sound as if it is impossible to improve our situation and that it is a zero sum game.  Only KY, UofL, Duke, NC, etc. can be elite and how dare we even try.

Pisses me off!!!!

IU with a competent coach would d*ckslap most of the college basketball world. And they know it too. 

[mark1981 1,382]

Just now, Hoosier82 said:

What was Louisville at the end of Denny Crum's tenure? Far from elite. Everyone is one bad coaching hire from mediocrity.


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Exactly.  They even made the same point about the end of Knights Tenure.

 

[HoosierAloha 30,090]

Other fan bases will kick and scream to put and keep IU down because they know what it means if IU starts rolling again. They won't have an easy W, they will have to compete for recruits with another school, and they'll have another team to keep them from titles.

[JSHoosier 21,263]

1 minute ago, Magnanimous said:

IU with a competent coach would d*ckslap most of the college basketball world. And they know it too. 

This.  Currently I think IU is a sleeping giant.  Make the right hire and we're right there in the conversation with Duke, UNC, pUKe, etc.

[cljones1979 740]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

I agree we should expect a coach that can win 25 games consistently. My hope is we see more consistency with the floor much higher. A down year should be in the tourney as a 9-10 seed. That allows the new coach to maintain momentum and not hope the lift starts to take us back up.

25 wins in today's cbb world isn't some amazing feat, as BC pointed out above. 10 noncon wins, 10-12 conference wins, and a handful of wins in both tourneys does it.

 

12 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Other than the fact that the B1G is usually a strong conference and you'd essentially need to go undefeated during nonconference play to accomplish 25-30 wins every year.

I'm going off a full season that includes btn tournament and ncaa tournament. I don't think 25 wins is out of the question but yeah lets just say 20+ a yr that's very feasable

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

4 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

I was just thinking regular season. For context, Bob Knight only won 25 or more games 8 out of 29 seasons at Indiana... let's keep our expectations reasonable haha. (I know they played fewer games earlier on in his time at IU, but you get my point.)

I don't think anybody expects to win 25-30 games out of the 31 regular season games. 

I do think regularly winning 22-26 is more than reasonable. 

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

This.  Currently I think IU is a sleeping giant.  Make the right hire and we're right there in the conversation with Duke, UNC, pUKe, etc.

The comparisons to Alabama football are insane. 

Anybody remember LSU fans talking trash about Alabama a decade or so ago. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I don't think anybody expects to win 25-30 games out of the 31 regular season games. 

I do think regularly winning 22-26 is more than reasonable. 

Yup misunderstood. 25-30 is expected if you get a win or two in each tournament which is what we fired Crean for not doing.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, mark1981 said:

I was just listening to idiots on the Radio in Louisville.  Said IU fans were the most delusional fan base in the area and we are not close to an elite program.

I would argue that what makes you elite is a combination of a elite fan base (check), elite facilities (check), elite money (check), and elite coach (TBD). All we need is a coach. The talent and winning will return.

They make it sound as if it is impossible to improve our situation and that it is a zero sum game.  Only KY, UofL, Duke, NC, etc. can be elite and how dare we even try.

Pisses me off!!!!

And how many NCAA Championships do they have in the last 30 years...1.

It's ridiculous how fan bases view themselves.  However, to act like Indiana is not an elite program is borderline foolish.

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

1 minute ago, NCHoosier said:

And how many NCAA Championships do they have in the last 30 years...1.

It's ridiculous how fan bases view themselves.  However, to act like Indiana is not an elite program is borderline foolish.

Potentially 0 if the NCAA does what it should. 

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

Yeah... modern media rides Duke's genitalia, while Duke only made 7 tournaments before Coach K. Now they haven't missed the tourney since '83.

 

A good coach can change everything.

 

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[HoosierAloha 30,090]

Something that hasn't been brought up regarding a new coach. I want to play Indiana schools in the noncon. I want a three year rotation with other Indiana schools. I wouldn't mind seeing the Crossroads Classic end and setting up a home/home with ND or Butler.

Schedule:
Year 1: @Eville, FW, Butler
Year 2: Eville, @FW, (neutral) Butler
Year 3: @ISU, FW, Butler
Year 4: Eville, ISU, @ND
Year 5: ISU, @Valpo, (neutral) ND
Year 6: Valpo, @BSU, ND

I want IU to play at least one away game in the state of Indiana every year. We talk about wanting to recruit the state and keep the best home. I think there are several ways to do this besides the coach. Playing around the state in venues that are more accessible to IU and cbb fans would help this.