TOM CREAN FIRED

[Hoosier DaDa 2,124]

3 hours ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

I am not sure the practices at UK would have been as high tempo as they supposedly are here along with the lesser workload (mpg) could have actually worked in his favor.  Keep in mind, I firmly believe that our strength training program kills pure shooters their Freshman year until they adjust to their new bodies so take that away and he shoots like he is this year as a Freshman at UK, with less exposure to poor defense and its possible.  I'm not talking high 1st round but in the 20-30 range possibly.

 

Then again, I could be completely wrong.  No way of knowing at this point.  I really like JBJ as a player, just wish he would have been used properly while he was here.

Like setting a screen for the guy more than once a year.

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Other than to transfer, where are they going?


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OG and Bryant are both solidly in the first round in almost all mock drafts. Even with OG's injury. The Heat have 9 players right now that were D League guys. The D League is even a good option at this point for kids. Money isn't good, but it is growing and sponsors are being added. In a few years the pay will probably go up to 100-200,000. There are plenty undrafted guys now too. If they all want to leave they will get paid to play ball next year. Go ask Chad Ford, Jonathon Giovany, or Gary Parrish all of them have OG and Bryant in. Whoever does Bleacher Reports mocks have them in as well.

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If OG is healthy during workouts he has a chance to move up at least 5-8 spots. The lowest I have seen OG is 23rd and TB the lowest is 28th. JBJ is only in one, but he will at least get a summer league invite and with a real coach calling screens for him I think he would have a shot at making a team.

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[yogisballin 2,297]

This gives me hope that if we get a top notch coach in here and his pro prospects aren't great, that there is a chance he might actually stay.  However, if Crean is still here, then I think it would be the best thing for JBJ as he can improve his draft stock by going to a better coach who will know how to use him.  Sadly, if he went to UK, I think he would have been in the NBA already.  Doesn't mean he would have lasted but he would have been drafted 1st round already in my opinion.

I think your way off. I haven't ever seen him as a great player. Like others mentioned, he can shoot and that's really it. We all know what he brings on the defensive end. Handles are shaking at best for a guard. Does not want to drive left. Come to think, has he ever done this? He has 1 go to move when shot clock is winding down, nearly same routine. Michigan must've saw this, u think?
When I played, I'd much rather drive to the rim with my left.


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I think your way off. I haven't ever seen him as a great player. Like others mentioned, he can shoot and that's really it. We all know what he brings on the defensive end. Handles are shaking at best for a guard. Does not want to drive left. Come to think, has he ever done this? He has 1 go to move when shot clock is winding down, nearly same routine. Michigan must've saw this, u think?
When I played, I'd much rather drive to the rim with my left.


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He wasnt close to healthy in either Michigan game. And shooting alone can buy you a ticket to the NBA. There are plenty of guards that are horrible at defense. Kyrie, Lillard and Curry just to name a few. The NBA is based on help defense and more team orientated than one on one. It is very easy to hide bad defenders specially if you have a sjot blocker in the back end.

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[yogisballin 2,297]

I agree those schools would be good for him. He could play anywhere but question is where would he fit the best to boost his stock. Those schools get more notice than middle of the pack power 5 teams though so it would be smart. Zags lose a cpl guys too he could step right in by NWG who is a solid pg. I would choose JBJ over Crean though so hopefully it doesnt happen. Id choose most our kids over Crean honestly though.

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MSU playing alongside Winston (I think he will be really good) and could you imagine I'd Bridges hangs around for 1 more year? Not out of the question here. I think he would fit in where is "isn't the man". Maybe the 2nd


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18 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

JBJ could have been really good. But the injuries and the lack of a good HC have hindered him. Blackmon can score as it is but could you imagine if he had a coach that actually called for screens to free him up for shots? He could have been deadly

I believe you will start seeing more screens for JBJ His skill set just isn't built for the shake n bake. I also question the legendary pre game workouts as it relates to players health. The one I saw footage of Crean had the death stare and they were moving at a good pace. The manic persona has to really grate on the players over a long season.

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5 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

He wasnt close to healthy in either Michigan game. And shooting alone can buy you a ticket to the NBA. There are plenty of guards that are horrible at defense. Kyrie, Lillard and Curry just to name a few. The NBA is based on help defense and more team orientated than one on one. It is very easy to hide bad defenders specially if you have a sjot blocker in the back end.

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Kyrie, Lillard, and Curry can actually create open looks for themselves. JBJ can barely do that at the college level. You need to be able to do more than just shoot to make it, we don't even know how well JBJ runs off screens and shoots. Or how well he plays off the ball since Crean's offense is so awful

[yogisballin 2,297]

JBJ could have been really good. But the injuries and the lack of a good HC have hindered him. Blackmon can score as it is but could you imagine if he had a coach that actually called for screens to free him up for shots? He could have been deadly

What about under coach K?


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MSU playing alongside Winston (I think he will be really good) and could you imagine I'd Bridges hangs around for 1 more year? Not out of the question here. I think he would fit in where is "isn't the man". Maybe the 2nd


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He would be awesome with Izzo as a coach alone. Winston is the perfect pg for him as well. I watched him set up so many shooters last night with dribble penetration. Bridges is the one kid that reminds me of Rabb in the sense he could come back. MSU with their class and the guys they have coming back are clear favorites next year in B1G. Wisky loses Hayes and Koenig. Maryland loses Trimble. Purdue loses Edwards, Haas and maybe Swanigan. Michigan loses Walton and Irvin.

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Kyrie, Lillard, and Curry can actually create open looks for themselves. JBJ can barely do that at the college level. You need to be able to do more than just shoot to make it, we don't even know how well JBJ runs off screens and shoots. Or how well he plays off the ball since Crean's offense is so awful

I said those guys as bad defenders. Nothing else. They all are electric on offense, but if we are trying to mention JBJ with those guys were expecting him to be a star. Not even the case whatsoever. I never said he was ever gonna be one of those guys so any comparison should be thrown out. They are also pgs not sgs so it is their job to create isnt it? All I am saying is JBJ could easily find a role as a bench guy who provides shooting. Not saying he will ever be a star or even a starter in the NBA and that isn't a bad thing.

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[Hoosier Guy 7,518]

6 minutes ago, schoosier said:

I believe you will start seeing more screens for JBJ His skill set just isn't built for the shake n bake. I also question the legendary pre game workouts as it relates to players health. The one I saw footage of Crean had the death stare and they were moving at a good pace. The manic persona has to really grate on the players over a long season.

FASTER boys! These turnovers aren't gonna create themselves!

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FASTER boys! These turnovers aren't gonna create themselves!

While his running beside them clapping!! Lol

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[KingPG21 6,582]

6 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

I said those guys as bad defenders. Nothing else. They all are electric on offense, but if we are trying to mention JBJ with those guys were expecting him to be a star. Not even the case whatsoever. I never said he was ever gonna be one of those guys so any comparison should be thrown out. They are also pgs not sgs so it is their job to create isnt it? All I am saying is JBJ could easily find a role as a bench guy who provides shooting. Not saying he will ever be a star or even a starter in the NBA and that isn't a bad thing.

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And shooting along can buy you a ticket to the NBA. 

That was the second sentence in your original post I quoted. Again, it isn't true.

Everyone at this point in the NBA in a creator, wings/guards are being more ball dominant every year as the NBA moves  closer to being positionless. 

[Hoosier Guy 7,518]

4 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

While his running beside them clapping!! Lol

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I'm so ready for him to be gone. Maybe IU can be taken seriously once again

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And shooting along can buy you a ticket to the NBA. 

That was the second sentence in your original post I quoted. Again, it isn't true.

Everyone at this point in the NBA in a creator, wings/guards are being more ball dominant every year as the NBA moves  closer to being positionless. 

Why is shooter one of the biggest words used during the draft or in evaluations. Any NBA team sees a shooter and some ability at other aspects which JBJ has they will take the chance to see if they can coach them up. That is why there is College ball and professional ball. I dont get your positionless argument that only helps JBJ? The point is JBJ will have a shot. Just like any kid who has one aspect of his game that is above average at that level. Not saying it happens, but no reason it can't either. Yogi was horrible for the worst team in the league....joins the Mavs and he is taking off. It is all about team fit.

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I would not mind seeing them lose by 40 tonight anyone else?

[Trish 11,505]

Just now, Oladipo said:

I would not mind seeing them lose by 40 tonight anyone else?

50 so he's fired tomorrow afternoon.

[MoyeNeeded 3,073]

JBJ = Gordonesque?

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

50 so he's fired tomorrow afternoon.

Laker and IU fan? Finally someone who feels my pain as a basketball fan. IU & Sixers for me lol. Raiders and Cubs keep me upbeat. Least this year.

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