TOM CREAN FIRED

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,117]

Dont think this will be an issue at all. Plenty of coaches get fired for alienating the fan base, inconsistency, not meeting expectations  ect. Crean would have been let go a long time ago at any other blue blood.

I agree completely but the Media won't get it. My thinking is WHO cares so much as we make a great hire.

I knew this needed to happen years ago, but I was hoping Crean could be the guy to deliver the results even though "eye test" was indicating otherwise.

I keep coming back to 2017 recruiting. It doesn't excite the fanbase or give us a chance to be contenders next year. Plus the Indiana kids??? Crean really sealed his fate with this class IMO. I even think some of the guys could be great players but on paper it doesn't evoke dominance. It looks like a low major recruiting class trying to find steals.


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25 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Also, unless we have a Homerun hire lined up......

The national media will crucify Indiana for letting the COY and B1G champ go 1 year later. The media doesn't get it. They will paint IU awfully, unless we have a true homerun hire to be made


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Certainly there would be some backlash, but it could be mitigated if there was another coaching or even AD position elsewhere that at least outwardly appeared to be a reasonable move on CTC's part.  

[akhosrof 1,168]

A sleeper name if you're looking for a Mark White-type hire: Ben Jacobson of Northern Iowa. Extremely sharp guy. Reading on Jacobson:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.blackheartgoldpants.com/platform/amp/2010/3/23/1386061/the-short-list-ben-jacobson?client=safari

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/northern-iowa/uni-panthers/2016/03/17/northern-iowa-ben-jacobson-texas-longhorns-shaka-smart-ncaa-tournament-basketball/81916942/

Was a finalist for the TAMU job when they replaced Turgeon. Jacobson has since signed an extension where I believe he has a buyout close to $3M.

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[GnarlyNormEllenberger 1,462]

A few thoughts:

- We ARE a blue-blood program. We have history, tradition, pull 14,000+ fans in for a practice every year and pay our head coach an elite-level salary while providing him a recruiting budget that far surpasses most of our conference foes while living in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. We have a mini-museum dedicated to Indiana Basketball. Our brand alone garners us a bunch of national TV appearances regardless of how good we're projected to be. No, we have not had consistent success over the past 20 years. But there's a reason why we're still invited (and decline?) to play in major showcases with other programs like UK, UNC and UCLA. Because we're STILL a big name in college basketball. That's what separates us from Purdue and Illinois (who are two solid programs in their own right.)

- If we're paying Crean around 3.2 million and determine he's not good enough, how much do you think we'll pay the new guy? It's a guess, but I'd be surprised if the new guy isn't making at least $4 million a year (or more!) So my question is: Is Coach (insert candidate here) worth $4 million a year? My point is that we're not going to cut ties with Crean only to acquire a coach with similar results/consistency. I know it's fun to throw out names and what-not, but seriously. If we can attract a coach like Tom Crean when our program was in the state of a dumpster fire, what kind of coach can we get with the current state of the program? Something to ponder...

- This program would absolutely take off like a rocket ship with the right leadership. And all of us know it. You'd see a Renaissance of IU basketball that has not been seen in well over 20 years. Maybe not Duke-level of success, but certainly like Michigan State or better. We could (should?) easily become the premier program of the Big Ten. But who is the guy to do it? I'm not sure, but don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Indiana Basketball has a LOT more potential that what it's currently showing. And I think many people in college basketball know it.

Just my opinion.

[GloryDays 6,085]

Fair enough. Though we have 19 seasons of Marshall coaching, whereas Knight had 6 years, and K had 6 years of coaching. We have a pretty good idea what we'll get with Marshall, Knight and K were still really young in their coaching careers. 

Marshall's age is one knock I have.I know from experience the energy wanes a bit when you hit 50.I would much rather go for a younger guy.Plus if the hires a good one we wont be here again in 10 years.

[GloryDays 6,085]

Mike White's name has popped up a couple of time and I know very little about him.  The very first thing that jumped out at me when I looked at his background is that he's always been in the deep deep south - born and raised, college, coaching experience, etc.  Purely an observation.

 

I watched them against Ky the other night and they weren't even on the same level talent wise but destroyed Ky with defense.If thats his M.O. I'm all in.

 

[Alford Bailey 12,859]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I agree completely but the Media won't get it. My thinking is WHO cares so much as we make a great hire.

I knew this needed to happen years ago, but I was hoping Crean could be the guy to deliver the results even though "eye test" was indicating otherwise.

I keep coming back to 2017 recruiting. It doesn't excite the fanbase or give us a chance to be contenders next year. Plus the Indiana kids??? Crean really sealed his fate with this class IMO. I even think some of the guys could be great players but on paper it doesn't evoke dominance. It looks like a low major recruiting class trying to find steals.


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Agree. Instate recruiting matters here. We dont need to get every kid but we need to be the major player instate. Totally struck out recently.  I expect Glass knows this and will address it with a new hire.

[Alford Bailey 12,859]

1 hour ago, GnarlyTimGarl said:

A few thoughts:

- We ARE a blue-blood program. We have history, tradition, pull 14,000+ fans in for a practice every year and pay our head coach an elite-level salary while providing him a recruiting budget that far surpasses most of our conference foes while living in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. We have a mini-museum dedicated to Indiana Basketball. Our brand alone garners us a bunch of national TV appearances regardless of how good we're projected to be. No, we have not had consistent success over the past 20 years. But there's a reason why we're still invited (and decline?) to play in major showcases with other programs like UK, UNC and UCLA. Because we're STILL a big name in college basketball. That's what separates us from Purdue and Illinois (who are two solid programs in their own right.)

- If we're paying Crean around 3.2 million and determine he's not good enough, how much do you think we'll pay the new guy? It's a guess, but I'd be surprised if the new guy isn't making at least $4 million a year (or more!) So my question is: Is Coach (insert candidate here) worth $4 million a year? My point is that we're not going to cut ties with Crean only to acquire a coach with similar results/consistency. I know it's fun to throw out names and what-not, but seriously. If we can attract a coach like Tom Crean when our program was in the state of a dumpster fire, what kind of coach can we get with the current state of the program? Something to ponder...

- This program would absolutely take off like a rocket ship with the right leadership. And all of us know it. You'd see a Renaissance of IU basketball that has not been seen in well over 20 years. Maybe not Duke-level of success, but certainly like Michigan State or better. We could (should?) easily become the premier program of the Big Ten. But who is the guy to do it? I'm not sure, but don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Indiana Basketball has a LOT more potential that what it's currently showing. And I think many people in college basketball know it.

Just my opinion.

Agree. The potential is huge and could be easily reached. I think we could pass UNC and Kansas and be right there with Duke and UK. This state and fan base is a powder keg waiting for the spark.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

I watched them against Ky the other night and they weren't even on the same level talent wise but destroyed Ky with defense.If thats his M.O. I'm all in.

 

Mike White is gonna be a popular name probably after this year or next. Florida isn't looked at like the Donovan area so it isn't in the top tier area or even middle tier. He seems like a good coach but I would like to see him more and his name be a little more popular to come here. Two things that can quickly change.

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36 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

Mike White is gonna be a popular name probably after this year or next. Florida isn't looked at like the Donovan area so it isn't in the top tier area or even middle tier. He seems like a good coach but I would like to see him more and his name be a little more popular to come here. Two things that can quickly change.

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The thing about White Id worry about is Duke. He could be lined up for that gig. His father is the AD of Duke.....

Overall, White has shown he can win and he emphasizes defense. 

[AKHoosier 7,378]

4 hours ago, KingPG21 said:

Unless they can realistically lead us to a championship sometime in the future they shouldn't be on the list. I can't see it with Marshall, only made it past the first weekend twice. Said it before, he is just a double not a triple or even a home run. I want a championship, he doesn't get us a championship. 

So he's gotten to a Final 4 and a Sweet 16 at Wichita State.  He got Winthrop to the NCAA tournament consistently.

How far would you expect a team in the Missouri Valley or Big South Conference to regularly get in the NCAA tournament?  Eventually, the talent gap is going to catch up with you, superior coaching can only get you so far.

It seems odd you would penalize a coach for "only" getting to a team full of mid-major talent to a Final 4 one time.

[Uspshoosier 51,639]

So he's gotten to a Final 4 and a Sweet 16 at Wichita State.  He got Winthrop to the NCAA tournament consistently.

How far would you expect a team in the Missouri Valley or Big South Conference to regularly get in the NCAA tournament?  Eventually, the talent gap is going to catch up with you, superior coaching can only get you so far.

It seems odd you would penalize a coach for "only" getting to a team full of mid-major talent to a Final 4 one time.

If the team from Missouri Valley featured 3 players that would eventually go on and have a chance to play in the NBA (early, baker, vanvleet) I would expect them to go pretty far. At the time of the final 4 run it might of looked like a surprise but Marshall had top level talent. But again most coaches who make a final 4 have talent


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If glass and crean are talking about a amicable split i dont expect much tonight or rest of season imo

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23 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

If the team from Missouri Valley featured 3 players that would eventually go on and have a chance to play in the NBA (early, baker, vanvleet) I would expect them to go pretty far. At the time of the final 4 run it might of looked like a surprise but Marshall had top level talent. But again most coaches who make a final 4 have talent


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Ok yeah, the team had talent.  But what were they ranked coming out of high school?  I really have no clue.  I'd be very surprised if more than 1 of those guys was in the top 100.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "have a chance to play in the NBA."  Did they get drafted?  I would argue that pretty much anyone who plays NCAA basketball "has a chance to play in the NBA," if you count D-league opportunities and camp invites as a "chance".

They were also a missed 3-pt shot at the buzzer away from beating the Julius Randle Kentucky in the Sweet 16 the year WSU went undefeated.

[Uspshoosier 51,639]

Ok yeah, the team had talent.  But what were they ranked coming out of high school?  I really have no clue.  I'd be very surprised if more than 1 of those guys was in the top 100.

 

I'm not really sure what you mean by "have a chance to play in the NBA."  Did they get drafted?  I would argue that pretty much anyone who plays NCAA basketball "has a chance to play in the NBA," if you count D-league opportunities and camp invites as a "chance".

 

They were also a missed 3-pt shot at the buzzer away from beating the Julius Randle Kentucky in the Sweet 16 the year WSU went undefeated.

 

Make a roster which 2 of them did. None of them were ranked in the top 100 coming out but I'm not big on ratings. They developed into all American types. They were a missed 3 away from beating an 8 seed in the second round? They were favored in the game because they were the better team but got upset

 

 

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[Trish 13,035]

Mike White seems pretty impressive as well. 

[OliviaPope40 7,196]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

Mike White seems pretty impressive as well. 

Tidbit of information his father is AD at Duke.

[AKHoosier 7,378]

21 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Make a roster which 2 of them did. None of them were ranked in the top 100 coming out but I'm not big on ratings. They developed into all American types. They were a missed 3 away from beating an 8 seed in the second round? They were favored in the game because they were the better team but got upset

 

 

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Interesting.  I do think he does deserve some credit for coaching them up into better talent though, I'm sure you know what I mean.  

And remember, that UK team went on to beat Louisville in the Sweet 16, Michigan in the Elite 8, Wisconsin in the Final 4, and advanced to the championship game against UConn.  So they took care of the two best teams in the B1G after Louisville, it's no wonder a MVC team got "upset" by a team full of 5 stars at every position who got hot in the tournament.  (I was wrong earlier that WSU got beat by UK in the Sweet 16, it was the Round of 32.)

[Uspshoosier 51,639]

Interesting.  I do think he does deserve some credit for coaching them up into better talent though, I'm sure you know what I mean.  

And remember, that UK team went on to beat Louisville in the Sweet 16, Michigan in the Elite 8, Wisconsin in the Final 4, and advanced to the championship game against UConn.  So they took care of the two best teams in the B1G after Louisville, it's no wonder a MVC team got "upset" by a team full of 5 stars at every position who got hot in the tournament.  (I was wrong earlier that WSU got beat by UK in the Sweet 16, it was the Round of 32.)

You forgot to mention those 5 stars were freshman that also lost to a 14-20 South Carolina team in the sec. so yes I did considered it a upset over the veteran undefeated shockers


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[HooHooHoo22 3,902]

What about Mark Jackson guys?!


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