TOM CREAN FIRED

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

I'm still kind of confused. Why do we like Bryce Drew?  If I want a coach who can only field a top-rated team on one end of the court I already have one. I mean, I know a series of seasons with mid-100s offenses and defenses is certainly consistent, but why is that the kind of consistency we want?

 

Granted, who even knows anymore? We have all of this data at our fingertips, but how many of those multi-championship coaches would have been hired based on their data? Branch was legit enough at Ball State, but that's not why he was hired. Bob Knight had a mediocre time at Army. Coach K was a nobody who had been about as good as Knight at Army. Brad Stevens was a random assistant. Ditto Roy Williams. Jim Calhoun didn't even know there was a second weekend (plus, scumbag).

 

So, how do we select winning coaches? Does anyone have any clue?

 

I say screw it, let's just hire Zach Spiker. The most consistent shared feature of multiple championship coaches is a mediocre career at Army and he sure has that. Plus, Spiker is a BA name.

[NoahW35 459]

Archie over Drew for me. Probably won't be here but I feel strongly that he is going to win big somewhere

[Striper 192]

I'd say we're underachieving thanks to the joke our team was earlier in the year.

Underachieving to what standard?  As was noted previously, we were picked to finish second in the Big Ten (no arguments regarding schedule, that is all included in the projection), and surprise surprise we are currently right in line with projections.  It may be easy to crap on Crean for previous year's performances, or even the early season games, but the Big Ten year is right where expected, no boom, no bust, right on target.  Was the team, from a rankings standpoint, always dragged down by Maui and Duke?  Absolutely, but the man has delivered to expectations during the Big Ten season.

[X-Hoosier 529]

Archie? We should make a strong run at Sean. He's done great with the Arizona program and is a great recruiter.

[GloryDays 5,920]

It isn't necessarily multiple national titles though that'd be great. But we should be competing with Kansas, Duke, Kentucky and North Carolina. Not trying to compete with Wisconsin. Do you see the difference? The sustained success of a Kansas is what we should want. They've won 1 title under Self. But been to two national title games. They went to the Elite in 12-13. Won a share or won the Big 12 outright the past 11 years and going on 12. That is the sustained success we want. Every year competing for a Big Ten title. Not once every 4 years. Every year being considered a national title contender. Not once every 10 years. Winning 25+ games a year. Not just hoping 20 can get us in the tourney. Not worrying about who is leaving because we know what is coming in is highly talented and can keep the consistency going. Does this make sense?

Being competitive with Wisconsin would be a major upgrade at this point.That program has owned us and is much more relevant than we are nationally.I would be thrilled to be as consistent as they are.

[Bittersince87 209]

You're scared to live in the present, man! What have you done for me lately? If Crean continues on the current trajectory of the season, wins the B1G Title, does decent in both tournaments, that's showing more promise to me than any small time coach.

I think Crean's career at Indiana is like one of Elon Musks SpaceX rockets - he's about to take off into space, or blow up into a million tiny pieces.

You don't know it but fans like u are the reason we will stay mediocre. I've never heard of any company or anyone else who expect such poor results and still get paid 3 million dollars a year.
U really have to understand that Indiana University is a national university and has to compete beyond the scope of the big ten. The big ten shouldn't be our sole measuring stick, because the big ten hasn't won a national championship since Cleeves played for Michigan State.
I have traveled the country and went to graduate school at UNC and taught at Duke and they look at us as a joke. That needs to stop and we need set ourselves up for bigger expectations without feeling guilty to do so. Stop making excuses and stop being afraid. We deserve a better product on the floor.

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

You don't know it but fans like u are the reason we will stay mediocre. I've never heard of any company or anyone else who expect such poor results and still get paid 3 million dollars a year.
U really have to understand that Indiana University is a national university and has to compete beyond the scope of the big ten. The big ten shouldn't be our sole measuring stick, because the big ten hasn't won a national championship since Cleeves played for Michigan State.
I have traveled the country and went to graduate school at UNC and taught at Duke and they look at us as a joke. That needs to stop and we need set ourselves up for bigger expectations without feeling guilty to do so. Stop making excuses and stop being afraid. We deserve a better product on the floor.

And fans like you were the reason why they won in '87 right?

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,264]

I have an idea: Let's just shelve the whole idea of who is replacing who for a month or so and see what is going to happen to IU basketball for the rest of the season and the tourney. I can't really put my focus on a new coach while OUR TEAM is still playing, and hoping to win a championship. I think this is an injustice to our team to channel our support elsewhere, at this point. What say you guys?

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

I have an idea: Let's just shelve the whole idea of who is replacing who for a month or so and see what is going to happen to IU basketball for the rest of the season and the tourney. I can't really put my focus on a new coach while OUR TEAM is still playing, and hoping to win a championship. I think this is an injustice to our team to channel our support elsewhere, at this point. What say you guys?

I agree. I let myself get out of hand with this whole thread. I am going to enjoy the rest of the season and consider all of this during the off season.

[Striper 192]

Things escalated around this place quickly... :popcorn:

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,264]

I don't want us fans split on a "what if". We need to be focused on this season right now. Why can't we all just get along???

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

You don't know it but fans like u are the reason we will stay mediocre. I've never heard of any company or anyone else who expect such poor results and still get paid 3 million dollars a year.
U really have to understand that Indiana University is a national university and has to compete beyond the scope of the big ten. The big ten shouldn't be our sole measuring stick, because the big ten hasn't won a national championship since Cleeves played for Michigan State.
I have traveled the country and went to graduate school at UNC and taught at Duke and they look at us as a joke. That needs to stop and we need set ourselves up for bigger expectations without feeling guilty to do so. Stop making excuses and stop being afraid. We deserve a better product on the floor.

Look, point fingers if it helps you, but people with big ideas and no concrete plan for how we will achieve them are the reason we've had three consecutive mediocre hires since Bob Knight was fired.

 

The people in charge of hiring were impatient, and let the impatience of the fans dictate when decisions needed to be made instead of waiting for the right hire. 

[TrueHoosier62 1,593]

I have an idea: Let's just shelve the whole idea of who is replacing who for a month or so and see what is going to happen to IU basketball for the rest of the season and the tourney. I can't really put my focus on a new coach while OUR TEAM is still playing, and hoping to win a championship. I think this is an injustice to our team to channel our support elsewhere, at this point. What say you guys?

I say I'd like to go fishing with you some day. That's what I say. :-)

[TrueHoosier62 1,593]

I don't want us fans split on a "what if". We need to be focused on this season right now. Why can't we all just get along???

Thank you Rodney King.  :lol:

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,264]

Bring your ass up to God's country and you are definitely on my boat with me fishing for salmon, halibut, rockfish and whatever else our beer will let us.

[Striper 192]

Bring your ass up to God's country and you are definitely on my boat with me fishing for salmon, halibut, rockfish and whatever else our beer will let us.

Dragged my ass up there last summer and my son caught a nice halibut.  Was the highlight of his trip!

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,264]

where were you? Homer?

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,264]

I know i'm off topic, but isn't this a much better conversation?

[Alford Bailey 12,375]

I'm sorry, but with all due respect, I just don't agree that Crean has somehow become a better coach this year. In my opinion, he's the same coach he's always been, turning out the same product, which relies on three point shooting, athleticism and a weak schedule to get the NCAA tournament card punched. His Big Ten record, though nice, has been achieved during one of the weakest top to bottom years I've seen in the last 40 seasons of Big Ten basketball. Ohio State?; down year, Michigan?; down year, Michigan State?; extremely average, Wisconsin?; arguably their worst year in over a decade, Illinois?; pathetic team. Northwestern, Nebraska, Rutgers and Penn State, (do they really count?). That leaves Purdue, Iowa and Maryland, none of which have a snowball's chance in hell of winning it all. Most years, we have two, maybe three teams in the league where an argument could be made that they have what it takes to get to the final four. This year?, there isn't one team that I'd give good odds of achieving it; not one.

Am I happy we're winning and in first place; sure, but let's not fool ourselves. This team has the same DNA that all of Crean's teams have had through the years; poor defense, a Jekyll & Hyde offense, too many turnovers and way too many mental errors. Supremely beatable when either an equally talented team plays them, or when a lesser team knows how to force them in to a half court game. This is what Crean's coaching philosophy leads to. This is Tom Crean.

And lets not forget the easy schedule. I hate the mega conferences now where somebody always gets an easier go. Glad we got it this year but if we had to play everybody on the road........

[Striper 192]

where were you? Homer?

Ketchikan, did the cruise thing with the kids, made my way to the interior years ago, but will have to wait until the little ones are older for that trip.