Indiana vs Michigan - Saturday Nov. 19 @ 3:30 ET on ESPN

[akhosrof 1,168]

When???? When is IU going to turn corner? When are they gonna put it all together?


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I would love for the B1G to have some sort of balanced scheduling. My ideal scenario would be for the B1G to have a big pod, little pod division structure. Basically two pods of 4, two pods of 3. A pod of 4 combines with a pod of 3 to form a division. Each year the pods of 3 switch with each other. This alignment would create a balanced schedule while allowing rivalries to stay intact. Each school would play each other at least biennially. All of this while staying within NCAA rules for divisions.

[lucel15 3,052]

Everyone is b*****ng and moaning. Oh we don't deserve a bowl Blah blah blah. Stop being effing fair weather fans. We play the number freaking team in their house. Everyone who is whining bet against the hoosiers so go back in your troll hole. Go watch basketball or something. This is the best IU has been since the 90's. Get over yourselves. Support or don't support. I'm tired of the whining. We have a first year D1 starter. You don't turn a predominantly losing team around in a blink of an eye... Beat Purdoodooo and get to a bowl. Peace out


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[Alford Bailey 12,373]

Im just kinda meh with this team. Hopefully we get back to a bowl. Stupid mistakes and poor play calling have really limited this team from turning the corner.

[TheWatShot 13,929]

28 minutes ago, lucel15 said:

Everyone is b*****ng and moaning. Oh we don't deserve a bowl Blah blah blah. Stop being effing fair weather fans. We play the number freaking team in their house. Everyone who is whining bet against the hoosiers so go back in your troll hole. Go watch basketball or something. This is the best IU has been since the 90's. Get over yourselves. Support or don't support. I'm tired of the whining. We have a first year D1 starter. You don't turn a predominantly losing team around in a blink of an eye... Beat Purdoodooo and get to a bowl. Peace out


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If you're going to constantly crap on the basketball team in the football forum, I don't see the problem with people crapping on the football team in the football forum. 

[DChoosier 8,325]

37 minutes ago, lucel15 said:

Everyone is b*****ng and moaning. Oh we don't deserve a bowl Blah blah blah. Stop being effing fair weather fans. We play the number freaking team in their house. Everyone who is whining bet against the hoosiers so go back in your troll hole. Go watch basketball or something. This is the best IU has been since the 90's. Get over yourselves. Support or don't support. I'm tired of the whining. We have a first year D1 starter. You don't turn a predominantly losing team around in a blink of an eye... Beat Purdoodooo and get to a bowl. Peace out


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Disagree with the fair weather (many of us have been on this train for decades) and "blink of an eye" comments.

It is a Huge task to climb the IU football mountain but calling six years "a blink of the eye" is a bit melodramatic.  I just want to beat a decent team every once in a while and that somehow turns into various responses  such as expecting to beat a top 25 team every week, being fair weather etc. Does hoping to occasionally  beat a decent team (and no I am not referring to beating UM at home) a sign of not supporting the team? 

[Alford Bailey 12,373]

4 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

 

Disagree with the fair weather comment (many of us have been on this train for decades) and "blink of an eye" comment.

It is a Huge task to climb the IU football mountain but calling six years a blink of the eye is a bit melodramatic.  I just want to beat a decent team every once in a while and that somehow turns into various responses  such as expecting to beat a top 25 team every week, being fair weather etc. Does hoping to beat a decent team (and no I am not referring to beating UM at home) a sign of not supporting the team? 

Yea, I thought the program was ready to go to the next level during the Anthony Thompson years but we fell down the elevator shaft. It will be another 20 years before we have another real chance to beat a good Michigan team in the big house.

[DChoosier 8,325]

Just now, Alford Bailey said:

Yea, I thought the program was ready to go to the next level during the Anthony Thompson years but we fell down the elevator shaft. It will be another 20 years before we have another real chance to beat a good Michigan team in the big house.

Again, I made it clear I was not referring to UM at the big house but rather games like the recent home game against PSU.

 

[Hovadipo 55,893]

The football vs basketball crusade is annoying as hell. Everyone here cheers for the same school, so why **** on the "other side"? Comes off as pretentious to me.


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[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Everyone is b*****ng and moaning. Oh we don't deserve a bowl Blah blah blah. Stop being effing fair weather fans. We play the number freaking team in their house. Everyone who is whining bet against the hoosiers so go back in your troll hole. Go watch basketball or something. This is the best IU has been since the 90's. Get over yourselves. Support or don't support. I'm tired of the whining. We have a first year D1 starter. You don't turn a predominantly losing team around in a blink of an eye... Beat Purdoodooo and get to a bowl. Peace out


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Agree with turning a predominately losing team around. It's not just winning football games but turning the entire program around, fans included. I went to every home game for the three years I was at student at IUB. I knew we would lose but still went and cheered like crazy. I'm just guessing but if the Memorial Stadium was packed with Hoosiers cheering their ass off I'd guess we would get a few wins against good teams. I'll take "backing" into a bowl game by beating little brother for a second straight year. If IU can turn into a consistent bowl team we might get better attendance which might elevate the program another notch.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

The football vs basketball crusade is annoying as hell. Everyone here cheers for the same school, so why **** on the "other side"? Comes off as pretentious to me.


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I was one who followed basketball religiously growing up. I attended a few football games but wasn't a huge fan. I've watched and followed football a lot closer since attending IU. 24 sports, one team. Go Hoosiers!!

[Hovadipo 55,893]

I was one who followed basketball religiously growing up. I attended a few football games but wasn't a huge fan. I've watched and followed football a lot closer since attending IU. 24 sports, one team. Go Hoosiers!!

I would say my IU fanhood has evolved from loving basketball and nothing else to being equal between basketball and football as well. Especially after attending IU. I just don't understand the football-only side that dumps on the basketball program and acts like no one "knows IUFB like they do". It's honestly not bad on this site but I see it a lot on twitter and it drives me insane.

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[Hoosierfan2017 21,285]

1 hour ago, lucel15 said:

Everyone is b*****ng and moaning. Oh we don't deserve a bowl Blah blah blah. Stop being effing fair weather fans. We play the number freaking team in their house. Everyone who is whining bet against the hoosiers so go back in your troll hole. Go watch basketball or something. This is the best IU has been since the 90's. Get over yourselves. Support or don't support. I'm tired of the whining. We have a first year D1 starter. You don't turn a predominantly losing team around in a blink of an eye... Beat Purdoodooo and get to a bowl. Peace out


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It's not being a fair weather fan to point out that our coach coaches us out of games. He's running QB draw plays with Lagow by the goal line when we've got a backup QB perfect for those situations. It's absurd. We had a chance to go up 14-6 and we threw it away with terrible play calling. Why not put Zander, Natee and Camion out there and see what happens? It worked during the first half. This season we have seen our coach consistently have us play not to lose. We haven't won a game all year that we weren't supposed to win. How long do we put up with being "close at the end" before we get sick of it and expect more? IU had absolutely nothing to lose this afternoon and yet in the second half our coaches decided to go ultra conservative with the play calling. Why? I'm not mad that we lost. It was expected. What I'm mad about, and have been mad about all season, is that our coaches consistently refuse to take risks to win games against superior opponents. We're not supposed to win, so why not pull out all the tricks? The conservative approach obviously isn't working. We're losing these games and leaving the chamber full. 

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,285]

I went back and was looking at the play-by-play and this is is the exact kind of thing I'm talking about. Lagow was 3/4 this drive for 65 yards. He got over a third of his yards for the entire game on this drive alone. We get a 1st and goal at the 7 and then Wilson calls three straight run plays. We kick a field goal, they come down and score a touchdown, and we're done after that. It makes no sense to me why we wouldn't take at least one shot at the end zone. 

[johnsoniu 6,400]

Frustrating. Frustrating as all hell. And it's only magnified by the fact that we come so close against not just decent teams, but teams that are good to very good.

As someone who follows Oklahoma as closely as IU, the conservative play calling knock isn't new for Wilson. When we hired him there was a sizable group that were happy to see him go for that very reason. And a couple years later they were hoping we fired him so they could bring him back. That being said, I think it is a very fair criticism and hopefully an area CKW and staff reevaluate this winter.

Future still looks bright. Defense should be even better next year and Lagow, Ramsey, wildcat package et al, will all have an off season to gel. We'll have plenty of viable options on O next year. 

Win our 4th straight bucket and get to our second consecutive bowl game. It's progress.

POTFB

Go Hoosiers!

[akhosrof 1,168]

I'm not crying. I'm stating the problem. When it no longer is the problem people will stop bringing it up. 

OK, so what are your expectations for the QB position? An NFL draft pick that's a three year starter? If you're expecting a Sudfeld every three years ready to go, you better temper those expectations. Not even the top B1G/SEC teams have that.

CKW reputation as a QB recruiter is going to come down to how good Lagow, King, and Ramsey are these next two years. CKW cannot afford for King and Ramsey specifically to be busts. Seth Littrell got us Sudfeld through some of his old Arizona connections. He also was big in recruiting Coffman. I think the loss of Littrell was bigger than most of us thought, but he wanted play calling experience so he had to leave. Worked out well for him as he's the head coach at North Texas, relatively close to where he's from in Oklahoma. He's going to be a P5 coach someday.

So let's talk about Lagow and the numbers. He played very solid yesterday. He had an adjusted QBR of 79.2. His best game of the season. Lagow is currently tied for 48th in all of college football with a total QBR of 65.4. 50 is considered average, so Lagow is in the above average range.

I'm super excited to see what Lagow will do next season after a full offseason in our program. He obviously has accuracy issues which stem from poor mechanics. I'm sure the coaches realize this, but it was too much to fix from when we got him in the spring to the start of the season. He'll be a much better QB next year.

[Brass Cannon 24,702]

4 minutes ago, akhosrof said:

OK, so what are your expectations for the QB position? An NFL draft pick that's a three year starter? If you're expecting a Sudfeld every three years ready to go, you better temper those expectations. Not even the top B1G/SEC teams have that.

CKW reputation as a QB recruiter is going to come down to how good Lagow, King, and Ramsey are these next two years. CKW cannot afford for King and Ramsey specifically to be busts. Seth Littrell got us Sudfeld through some of his old Arizona connections. He also was big in recruiting Coffman. I think the loss of Littrell was bigger than most of us thought, but he wanted play calling experience so he had to leave. Worked out well for him as he's the head coach at North Texas, relatively close to where he's from in Oklahoma. He's going to be a P5 coach someday.

So let's talk about Lagow and the numbers. He played very solid yesterday. He had an adjusted QBR of 79.2. His best game of the season. Lagow is currently tied for 48th in all of college football with a total QBR of 65.4. 50 is considered average, so Lagow is in the above average range.

I'm super excited to see what Lagow will do next season after a full offseason in our program. He obviously has accuracy issues which stem from poor mechanics. I'm sure the coaches realize this, but it was too much to fix from when we got him in the spring to the start of the season. He'll be a much better QB next year.

The guy hasn't learned pass yet in his life but all he needs is a year?  No lagow just isn't the guy. 

My expectations are a guy that can hit a wide open guy more often than not 

[akhosrof 1,168]

The guy hasn't learned pass yet in his life but all he needs is a year?  No lagow just isn't the guy. 

My expectations are a guy that can hit a wide open guy more often than not 

QB mechanical issues are not fixed overnight. It would take a full offseason to fix his foot work at least

So you want an accurate passer. That's fair. But at what cost? Sounds to me like you want a Nate Sudfeld every year. That's simply not realistic.

Advanced metrics suggest Lagow is average-to-above average. I don't think you realize how difficult it is to recruit and develop a top QB in college football.

[akhosrof 1,168]

Actually, let me reword my post. Here's a fair question: who's an above average QB at another school that you would want as our QB?

Some parameters: can't be a QB at a top program that a prospect would obviously accept an offer over us, had to be a three star recruit or less, can't be a senior or RS junior unless he's a transfer (reason: wouldn't want to sit behind Sudfeld). Someone we would have had a realistic shot at.

[Brass Cannon 24,702]

Here's a crazy thought you don't recruit your QB replacement the year before they are needed. 

I'm not sure why you are trying to argue the QB situation. If He already accepted blame for it he knows it's an issue.