Quality Young Coaches vs Tom Crean.

[MikeRoberts 7,054]

Pretty certain that for reasons stated before in this thread Bennett is not a realistic option at Indiana.

he is still holding a grudge a decade later? Seems pretty petty if he is

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

What?  Um, I think Enfield has gotten USC in the top 25 for the 1st time since dirt!  He got FGCU in the Sweet Sixteen in his second year.  Don't think that this record puts him in the "hot garbage" category!

 

Ken Pom rankings

Adjusted O - 31

Adjusted D - 49

 

Mathmatically given the history these rankings would qualify them to be a legit contender for a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 this year.

[mdn82 25,510]

.We got stuck with Crean bc he made a final four and that was a requirement for the AD

That is the most ignorant thing I have seen on this board in some time. Were you even following the coaching search at the time? Man, I hate it when our AD is trying to bring a young coach in that has been to the Final Four with integrity coming off the Sampson mess. That has to be like the biggest swing and miss of all time. I mean, we obviously miss out on obscure head coaches that win 15 conference titles in a row in a conference that has a collective RPI yearly in the 200s. But hey he won those titles. I mean it's like Crean. He only made those final fours because of Wade. Hell Crean could too. Doesn't mean jack here at IU. #StevensorBust2016

[Brass Cannon 24,871]

That is the most ignorant thing I have seen on this board in some time. Were you even following the coaching search at the time? Man, I hate it when our AD is trying to bring a young coach in that has been to the Final Four with integrity coming off the Sampson mess. That has to be like the biggest swing and miss of all time. I mean, we obviously miss out on obscure head coaches that win 15 conference titles in a row in a conference that has a collective RPI yearly in the 200s. But hey he won those titles. I mean it's like Crean. He only made those final fours because of Wade. Hell Crean could too. Doesn't mean jack here at IU. #StevensorBust2016

 

To be fair if being to a final four wasn't the criteria, what was the criteria for finding Crean?  A fanbase that was wanting him gone?  Underachievement? 

[mdn82 25,510]

To be fair if being to a final four wasn't the criteria, what was the criteria for finding Crean? A fanbase that was wanting him gone? Underachievement?

I think they were pretty clear at the time. He built Marquette back from the drop off after McGuire. Final Four. Graduating kids. Integrity. Hell Calipari would have crawled to Bloomington (his words). But we wouldn't give him the time of day. Why? Because there is more to just IU basketball than wins and losses. You can be an ass and those things can be overlooked but you better 1. Win and 2. Graduate kids. Unless Crean does better at 1. He will be gone soon. But my god. You guys think Crean is bad? Look at the list we are compiling. #StevensorBust2016

[Brass Cannon 24,871]

I think they were pretty clear at the time. He built Marquette back from the drop off after McGuire. Final Four. Graduating kids. Integrity. Hell Calipari would have crawled to Bloomington (his words). But we wouldn't give him the time of day. Why? Because there is more to just IU basketball than wins and losses. You can be an ass and those things can be overlooked but you better 1. Win and 2. Graduate kids. Unless Crean does better at 1. He will be gone soon. But my god. You guys think Crean is bad? Look at the list we are compiling. #StevensorBust2016

 

He didn't really build Marquette though, I think at the time they were a little to forgiving on that aspect.  He didn't make the tourney until his 3rd year.  He peaked in his 4th year(sound familiar) and then proceeded to not do much of anything.  Other than the one fluke final 4 run they had more success before and after him. 

[mdn82 25,510]

He didn't really build Marquette though, I think at the time they were a little to forgiving on that aspect. He didn't make the tourney until his 3rd year. He peaked in his 4th year(sound familiar) and then proceeded to not do much of anything. Other than the one fluke final 4 run they had more success before and after him.

Where were they before him? He built them to what they are today. Their fans much like ours have a diluted self perception based on basketball 20-30 years ago. They were not good when he took them over. He made them respectable. Good enough for Marquette. He took us over knowing were going to suck. He brought us back to a better level than what it was when he got here. I am thankful for that. We need a change in the coming year or so if he doesn't win the B1G this year or next. But to act like he was some **** move at the time is crazy. Nobody wanted this job that could win and graduate kids. Only one person will this fan base get behind. It isn't Marshall, Drew, or any low end major we can conjure up. What if Stevens doesn't happen? We are still in same boat with a different name making fun of mannerisms, offense no matter the ranking, because Bob Knight did it this way when I was a kid and some dumbass making $3 million is trying to reinvent a wheel I grew up knowing. #StevensorBust2016

[Alford Bailey 12,393]

To be fair if being to a final four wasn't the criteria, what was the criteria for finding Crean?  A fanbase that was wanting him gone?  Underachievement? 

Well, he had a lot of energy and he was pretty clean. Plus, we thought we were hopefully getting Izzo 2.0. That hasn't worked out.

[Brass Cannon 24,871]

Where were they before him? He built them to what they are today. Their fans much like ours have a diluted self perception based on basketball 20-30 years ago. They were not good when he took them over. He made them respectable. Good enough for Marquette. He took us over knowing were going to suck. He brought us back to a better level than what it was when he got here. I am thankful for that. We need a change in the coming year or so if he doesn't win the B1G this year or next. But to act like he was some **** move at the time is crazy. Nobody wanted this job that could win and graduate kids. Only one person will this fan base get behind. It isn't Marshall, Drew, or any low end major we can conjure up. What if Stevens doesn't happen? We are still in same boat with a different name making fun of mannerisms, offense no matter the ranking, because Bob Knight did it this way when I was a kid and some dumbass making $3 million is trying to reinvent a wheel I grew up knowing. #StevensorBust2016

 

Mike Deane won almost 65% of his games and placed in the top 4 of his conference 4 of his 5 years  Hell he was the one who found Dwayne Wade for Crean to benefit from.  Without Wade the best Crean was able to do was 3rd in his conference. 

[mdn82 25,510]

Well, he had a lot of energy and he was pretty clean. Plus, we thought we were hopefully getting Izzo 2.0. That hasn't worked out.

Completely agree. I think his energy brought us back to a position where we were on ESPN/CBS as much. We need a change if he doesn't win a B1G title in the next year or two. That said, can we all please stop comparing random low major conference titles to Conference USA with Louisville and Cincy also members as well the B1G. Seriously acting like winning a conference title at Wichita St is the same as winning Conference USA before the mergers or the B1G makes us sound dumber than shit. Conference USA was a damn strong conference that saw quite of national champs. MVC is way < C-USA. Sorry but people bringing up conference titles continuously has driven me nuts. Let's try comparing apples to apples if we want to be realistic. Marshall, is a solid coach. Made some noise in the tournament but it is no better than Crean. Congrats on the MVC titles, but the fact it taken him this long to become nationally relevant in spite of his winning shows how much he is thought of at the national level. He is no longer in the up and coming level major schools want to buy in the amount it would cost to steal him from the death row that is the MVC. People had overs ten years of video of him winning the MVC before he was relevant. Stevens went to back to back national title games with a roster nearly everyone would be lucky enough to get out of the first weekend. If you can coach against the big boys at a mid major and win you deserve a chance. Stevens did that in November at Butler and March. I want that man as my coach.

[mdn82 25,510]

Mike Deane won almost 65% of his games and placed in the top 4 of his conference 4 of his 5 years Hell he was the one who found Dwayne Wade for Crean to benefit from. Without Wade the best Crean was able to do was 3rd in his conference.

This is from Marquettes website. Oh and Wade signed on to play with Crean not Deane. Wade's first year at Marquette was 2001. He was ineligible that year. Crean's first year at Marquette as HC was 1999.

NATIONAL RECOGNITION
Crean's revival of Marquette's storied basketball program has not gone unnoticed by the national pollsters as the Golden Eagles have spent 62 weeks in the rankings since November 2001. Prior to first appearing during Crean's tenure in the AP Top 25 on November 27, 2001, Marquette had been ranked for just 24 weeks the previous 15 seasons.

Marquette's consecutive year-end rankings in 2002 and 2003 were the first time for the program in a quarter century, and on March 4, 2003, the school earned its highest ranking since 1978 by reaching No. 8 in AP poll, which the team matched in 2006-07.

[Brass Cannon 24,871]

Completely agree. I think his energy brought us back to a position where we were on ESPN/CBS as much. We need a change if he doesn't win a B1G title in the next year or two. That said, can we all please stop comparing random low major conference titles to Conference USA with Louisville and Cincy also members as well the B1G. Seriously acting like winning a conference title at Wichita St is the same as winning Conference USA before the mergers or the B1G makes us sound dumber than ****. Conference USA was a damn strong conference that saw quite of national champs. MVC is way < C-USA. Sorry but people bringing up conference titles continuously has driven me nuts. Let's try comparing apples to apples if we want to be realistic. Marshall, is a solid coach. Made some noise in the tournament but it is no better than Crean. Congrats on the MVC titles, but the fact it taken him this long to become nationally relevant in spite of his winning shows how much he is thought of at the national level. He is no longer in the up and coming level major schools want to buy in the amount it would cost to steal him from the death row that is the MVC. People had overs ten years of video of him winning the MVC before he was relevant. Stevens went to back to back national title games with a roster nearly everyone would be lucky enough to get out of the first weekend. If you can coach against the big boys at a mid major and win you deserve a chance. Stevens did that in November at Butler and March. I want that man as my coach.

 

Stevens is everybodies first choice.  But to tell everybody who is discussing much more likely candidates that they sound dumber than **** is pretty classless.  Especially coming from a mod. 

 

Most likely our next coach is coaching at a college right now.  There are no perfect candidates. 

[akhosrof 1,168]

The funny thing about this discussion is that Mack and Bennett could legitimately win the national championship this season. If either guy wins, would they even consider taking the IU job? We like to think we control the cards here but some of these names being thrown out could very well turn us down (again in Bennett's case).

[Brass Cannon 24,871]

This is from Marquettes website. Oh and Wade signed on to play with Crean not Deane. Wade's first year at Marquette was 2001. He was ineligible that year. Crean's first year at Marquette as HC was 1999.

NATIONAL RECOGNITION
Crean's revival of Marquette's storied basketball program has not gone unnoticed by the national pollsters as the Golden Eagles have spent 62 weeks in the rankings since November 2001. Prior to first appearing during Crean's tenure in the AP Top 25 on November 27, 2001, Marquette had been ranked for just 24 weeks the previous 15 seasons.

Marquette's consecutive year-end rankings in 2002 and 2003 were the first time for the program in a quarter century, and on March 4, 2003, the school earned its highest ranking since 1978 by reaching No. 8 in AP poll, which the team matched in 2006-07.

 

Deane recruited him and started the process.  He identified the talent. 

 

That kind of reminds me of how we had those "Were back" t shirts.  Crean might have had them ranked but after year 4 never placed even 3rd in conference and 1 exactly 1 tourney game.  5 years and he won 1 tourney game. 

 

The so called Crean revival much more a product of Dwayne Wade.  Much like here it had more to do with Zeller and Oladipo. 

[Brass Cannon 24,871]

The funny thing about this discussion is that Mack and Bennett could legitimately win the national championship this season. If either guy wins, would they even consider taking the IU job? We like to think we control the cards here but some of these names being thrown out could very well turn us down (again in Bennett's case).

 

Plus Louisville is much more relevant on a national level at the moment and will possibly beat us to searching for coaching candidates if they decide to make a choice.  Almost have to if you are giving up your postseason. 

[mdn82 25,510]

Deane recruited him and started the process. He identified the talent.

That kind of reminds me of how we had those "Were back" t shirts. Crean might have had them ranked but after year 4 never placed even 3rd in conference and 1 exactly 1 tourney game. 5 years and he won 1 tourney game.

The so called Crean revival much more a product of Dwayne Wade. Much like here it had more to do with Zeller and Oladipo.

Dude there is not one single coach in America that is the first to lay eyes on a kid. It's handlers. AAU. People you trust. Wades name was out there to more people than Deane. It was an academics thing people didn't want to touch.

[mdn82 25,510]

Stevens is everybodies first choice. But to tell everybody who is discussing much more likely candidates that they sound dumber than **** is pretty classless. Especially coming from a mod.

Most likely our next coach is coaching at a college right now. There are no perfect candidates.

No. I said minimizing the conference he was in and acting like the MVC is C-USA where conference titles are equal is dumber than shit. Check your glasses and re-read.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I agree Mack and Bennett are on a long list of possible winners this year. It would be abnormal for either to leave their current situation. Bennett is winning in one of the top conferences year in and out. And, as stated, he has said no to us prior. But, there is some validity in searching for an up and coming candidate. I just have not been impressed with any named in this discussion.

[chitown hoosier 743]

Let's face it. A lateral move in coaching is going to bring the fan base to the same exact point 3 or 4 years down the line. If Indiana is to replace Crean, then they must make a big time hire. I agree that Stevens would be that choice but who knows when and IF that will ever happen. The grass is not always greener on the other side. I've been a long time Chicago sports fan and I've seen all the next great hires that haven't amounted to anything better. The one time is when the Cubs finally hired the right guy for the job in Maddon. All those mentioned in the previous posts aren't guys that I personally would be excited for. It would take a coach from a successful program in a big time conference to succeed at Indiana.

[Brass Cannon 24,871]

No. I said minimizing the conference he was in and acting like the MVC is C-USA where conference titles are equal is dumber than ****. Check your glasses and re-read.

 

And people have given well detailed and well thought out reasons why they believe that winning on any level translates.  Perhaps you should follow your own advice and reread the topic. 

 

*Prepares for more insults and condescending remarks*

 

And while Handlers identified Wade Deane did the leg work on Wade and got the ball rolling.  Crean stepped in and maintained the momentum.