Thomas Bryant and Emmitt Holt cited for illegal alcohol posession

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

who said that?

 

Do you think Yogi is not a leader?

[davewood 119]

are you saying Troy is on the same level as MKG? MKG was arguably the best player in college as a freshman sans his teammate in Anthony Davis

No, but I will say Troy's shot is better mechanically. Just making a comparison, because some are saying he won't make it due to his jump shot. I don't see why so many people like to run Troy down either. I just think he has a lot of talent to work with. On a side note I want to shoot my self after fighting auto correct on my phone.

[MikeRoberts 6,943]

No, but I will say Troy's shot is better mechanically. Just making a comparison, because some are saying he won't make it due to his jump shot. I don't see why so many people like to run Troy down either. I just think he has a lot of talent to work with. On a side note I want to shoot my self after fighting auto correct on my phone.

i think Troy has the best shot of any player on the team to make it in the pros but he would be drafted in large part on upside... He would have to improve a ton to stay in the nba

[MikeRoberts 6,943]

Do you think Yogi is not a leader?

Tom Crean said he is not a good leader

[MikeRoberts 6,943]

Do you think Yogi is not a leader?

the wheels have come off on the court and off since the keys were handed to Yogi

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

Tom Crean said he is not a good leader

 

Do you think Tom Crean was talking about the Welcome Week incident or do you think Tom Crean was referencing Yogi's entire body of work when he said that?

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

the wheels have come off on the court and off since the keys were handed to Yogi

 

And you blame Yogi Ferrell specifically for that?

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

You've been warned!!!!!!

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[MikeRoberts 6,943]

Do you think Tom Crean was talking about the Welcome Week incident or do you think Tom Crean was referencing Yogi's entire body of work when he said that?

i think he was referring to Yogi and his entire body of work. Would Crean have made that comment if Jordan Hulls or Victor Oladipo were on the team? No

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

i think he was referring to Yogi and his entire body of work. Would Crean have made that comment if Jordan Hulls or Victor Oladipo were on the team? No

Definitely miss those guys. Amazing men who led this program like it should have been. Wish we could bring those type of guys in every year.

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

i think he was referring to Yogi and his entire body of work. Would Crean have made that comment if Jordan Hulls or Victor Oladipo were on the team? No

 

Ok then I disagree.  

 

I am pretty confident Tom Crean was referencing Yogi's lack of babysitting skills.

 

Yogi is a pretty d@m# good point guard.

 

Tom Crean often asks Yogi Ferrell what he thinks IU should be doing at points in big games.

[MikeRoberts 6,943]

Ok then I disagree.

I am pretty confident Tom Crean was referencing Yogi's lack of babysitting skills.

Tom Crean often asks Yogi Ferrell what to do during games.

he was not saying yogi is a poor babysitter, that's funny though.

In-game performance and strategy is only a part of being a leader.

You and I both know coach would not have made such a comment if hulls and Oladipo were on the team. He had no problem saying it with yogi here

[Tom White 1,435]

without knowing a single piece of evidence in the case.

they were harassed by an overzealous Excise Cop.

Somehow those two thoughts (from a singular post) just don't seem to fit together.

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

he was not saying yogi is a poor babysitter, that's funny though.

In-game performance and strategy is only a part of being a leader.

You and I both know coach would not have made such a comment if hulls and Oladipo were on the team. He had no problem saying it with yogi here

 

Come on MikeRoberts, he was referencing the incident and Yogi's partying, and he was right to do that.

 

I hope Yogi's and anybody else's partying on the team does not cost us a win or two this year.

 

We have a chance to do something really special this year, and every one of those possible W's is big when you have a shot at a title.

 

Let's not get carried away and say that an NBA exec is going to be turned off by Yogi's level of partying.  Yogi's partying is normal college partying.  It is not the kind of partying that causes a front office to stamp your resume with a big RED FLAG

[Mr Baditude 22]

Apples and oranges. MKG is 6'7", 235# while TW is 6'6", 193#. Power vs. finesse, meaning MKG is built to withstand the mugging on the drive. He's also an elite defender. On top of that, MKG worked hard and dramatically improved his jump shot. Go check out his percentages on 2-pt FG by distance. That's why he got the big contract.

TW is very athletic and talented. He's an explosive and quick leaper, too. He's quick enough to stay with his man on D and recover if he gets beat off the dribble. TW gets most of his points at or around the rim, and some are on put back dunks. However, he lacks polish and makes bad decisions (e.g., driving into traffic, forcing passes into crowds). He just doesn't have a very high basketball IQ. His mechanics on his jump shot are awful and that's reflected in his shooting percentage. I don't think TW has the skill or talent to consistently slash his way to the hole without getting knocked off stride, turning it over, or forcing passes. Nor do I believe he has the strength to get the same put back dunks in the NBA that he gets in college.

TW will get drafted, but unless he shows marked improvement over last year, he'd be wise to stay in college for his senior year. If he goes after this year, I'll be surprised if he gets drafted before the second round, and I'll be even more surprised if he makes the team. I expect he'll spend a considerable amount of time in the D League.

[AZ Hoosier 6,655]

You don't see this kind of bull **** happening repeatedly at the schools that are in the conversation for conference titles every year.   

 

Maybe....just speculating here, but maybe those kids at those schools understand their expectations AND their culture because their coaches don't tolerate anything else.    And to say "most" of these "men" are NBA players is completely inaccurate.   First of all, they're kids, not men.   Secondly, 60 players get drafted each year...from the world.  30 of them will never make the league at all.  What makes anyone think a few of that group of 30 will come from Indiana?  A team that finished 7th in the Big Ten a year ago.   Emmitt Holt, for example, will never be an NBA player.  Robinson had no chance.  Perea had no chance.  Yogi is a maybe....I'd even say a probable, but to say he or anyone else doesn't fear their college coach because they're future NBA players is just wrong.

 

 They don't fear Crean because they don't respect him.  Plain and simple.   Crean is hanging on by a thread.  His teams have completely under-achieved, and there's no reason he has his job except Fred Glass supports him for the sake of stability, an expensive buyout, and the unavailability of the one guy who can fix this mess.   And you'd better believe players both respected and "feared" Brad Stevens when he was at Butler.  There was a reason they were as sound as they were.

 

Crean has no respect for the culture, so he recruits kids from all over the country who don't get it, and he doesn't set rules that uphold it.   He doesn't punish with any severity until he has no choice, he's never really won much, and he speaks in complete platitudes.  His "interview" yesterday was 7 minutes of babbling nonsense.   The program is a mess, and it's Crean's fault.  Not because his players are NBA guys, but because he has not earned the respect of....well, anyone.

 

Well stated. Of course these kids don't respect Crean, but more importantly they don't respect the university, the Indiana basketball legacy (however waning it is at this point) and they don't respect themselves.

 

When all of those stars align, this is what you get.

[AZ Hoosier 6,655]

Do you think Yogi is not a leader?

 

I think Yogi is not a leader.

 

Come on MikeRoberts, he was referencing the incident and Yogi's partying, and he was right to do that.

 

I hope Yogi's and anybody else's partying on the team does not cost us a win or two this year.

 

We have a chance to do something really special this year, and every one of those possible W's is big when you have a shot at a title.

 

Let's not get carried away and say that an NBA exec is going to be turned off by Yogi's level of partying.  Yogi's partying is normal college partying.  It is not the kind of partying that causes a front office to stamp your resume with a big RED FLAG

 

The problem with all of this is, simply put, that leaders lead. They lead by example and when warranted, they lead by getting in your face and letting you know you screwed up and holding you accountable. There is NO leadership on this team. There is no accountability on this team.

 

It is the responsibility of the seniors and juniors to take the freshmen and sophomores under their wings and show them how to play the game and how to respect themselves, the institution and the program. The real issue is that since Jordy, CWat and Vic left, we haven't had any senior (or for that matter, junior) leaders. When the void of leadership exists, you get what we got. Over and over and over.

 

I'd gladly sacrifice a W or 2 to get things back in order. Sadly, I'm not sure I see that happening with this bunch or with any Crean team.

[JSHoosier 19,932]

Are we really trying to call Yogi a leader when Crean himself said this team has no leaders?  The team has no leaders and Yogi is on the team, ergo Yogi isn't a leader or at least not much of one.

 

We've been saying there was a lack of leadership since Hulls and company left.

[Old Friend 8,389]

And you blame Yogi Ferrell specifically for that?

I blame Yogi for spending lots of time trying to "get his."   He forces things he shouldn't all the time.  He takes shots he shouldn't take all the time.  He doesn't step up against good defenses.   See : every game he's ever played against Wisconsin, save maybe one.   Yogi is special in the open floor when he makes good decisions.   When he decides he feels like scoring instead of running the show and letting things come to him, he's very average.   I don't think Yogi is a great leader at all.  He obviously hasn't done well (probably because he was guilty himself) of explaining to younger players what being an IU player means, nor has he held anyone accountable.    He's just a quick college point guard who plays for our team.

[AZ Hoosier 6,655]

Do you think Tom Crean was talking about the Welcome Week incident or do you think Tom Crean was referencing Yogi's entire body of work when he said that?

 

Yes. Both. They really are one and the same.