(2016) SG Grant Gelon commits to IU

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Why take a flier in the age of the grad transfer? I would think you would want to limit taking fliers while recruiting at Indiana.

In the back of my mind, I wonder if Crean is just looking to fill the end of roster with quality kids that won't fuss about not getting PT. Better team chemistry, etc. idk.

I don't think that'd be a very Crean like move. At some point, we usually see all 13 scholarship players, plus some walk-ons, contribute. Priller is one of the few examples I can think of of a scholarship player who wasn't injured not getting minutes at all.

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Gelon has performed nowhere near the guys he keeps getting compared to (Roth, Hornsby, Z). Shoulda let him walk on. That scholly is too valuable to sit the end of the bench. Jumped  the gun IMO.

Well as long as MSB is on the team he won't be on the end.

[JSHoosier 20,084]

7 hours ago, MadAboutIndiana said:

They're meaningless. They drive traffic to websites--other than that? What's the purpose?

Yes, the higher ranked guys are better bets but anyone can point those guys out. The experts haven't even seen Gelon to have an opinion.

Recruiting rankings are for high school mommies to email Evan Daniel and Jerry Meyer about

We'll have to agree to disagree.  Scouts aren't perfect, there will always be error in the rankings because they cannot watch enough of each kid to definitely say who is 40 and who is 50, or who is 120 instead of 130.  It's not a science.  We always see people saying a lower ranked recruit Crean went after is underrated or a "diamond in the rough", and it happens with every lower/unranked recruit he goes after, but there is a reason players like Oladipo make such a good story.

Gelon could end up out performing his ranking, I'm not writing him off but I'm far from sold.  That's coming from a guy that thought posters were writing Hartman off too early, and had said he could be a solid contributor his junior/senior season.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

We'll have to agree to disagree.  Scouts aren't perfect, there will always be error in the rankings because they cannot watch enough of each kid to definitely say who is 40 and who is 50, or who is 120 instead of 130.  It's not a science.  We always see people saying a lower ranked recruit Crean went after is underrated or a "diamond in the rough", and it happens with every lower/unranked recruit he goes after, but there is a reason players like Oladipo make such a good story.

Gelon could end up out performing his ranking, I'm not writing him off but I'm far from sold.  That's coming from a guy that thought posters were writing Hartman off too early, and had said he could be a solid contributor his junior/senior season.

That's all I could find issue with. The people writing him off already. Questioning him or not being sold is more than reasonable. There are questions about all of these guys

[JSHoosier 20,084]

One thing I'll add is that I'm closer to the group that doesn't think Gelon will do much of anything, and again that's coming from a person that thought Hartman was being written off too soon.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

I don't think he's gonna do a whole bunch at IU, but I think the Hornsby comparison is spot on. What's wrong with signing a guy like that ya know?

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Is he at least a 1000th of the shooter Steph Curry is?

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When did he become a lights out shooter? For every 5/7 game from deep there were 2-3 games he went 1/6. I'm not expecting Grant to contribute much as an underclassman but if he could become a knockdown shooter as a junior and play adequate defense while keeping players heads on straight off the court he could fill a much needed role. I guess we can only wait and see. I do hope he is at IU for four years though.

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[MadAboutIndiana 402]

When did he become a lights out shooter? For every 5/7 game from deep there were 2-3 games he went 1/6. I'm not expecting Grant to contribute much as an underclassman but if he could become a knockdown shooter as a junior and play adequate defense while keeping players heads on straight off the court he could fill a much needed role. I guess we can only wait and see. I do hope he is at IU for four years though.

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Nick Z had multiple 0fer games. Is he not a knockdown shooter? Come on

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Once a year isn't close to enough. They can't see all of the guys enough to be able to differentiate between them once you get to a certain point in a class. This 2016 class seems extremely deep/loaded. So where Grant ultimately is ranked--whether it's 108 or 158 or 358. why should that have any meaning?

I respect the job they do etc etc but it seems to me that it's just fodder for fans to talk about in the off season. Who gives a rat's behind about high school once it's over? Lol

Personally? I think Crean was so shaken by the Devin Davis thing, along with the other players that crapped on his culture, that he went and found another Hulls type who absolutely bleeds IU basketball--doesn't hurt that he's lights out. I in no way believe the other aspects of his game are Big Ten level...yet. I just find it odd there's so much second guessing. Seems to me like just the kind of kid Crean has had good teams with. Remember when everyone counted on having Hartman's scholarship open up?.......

Gelon doesn't bleed IU, more like blue and white as he grew up a diehard duke fan

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Nick Z had multiple 0fer games. Is he not a knockdown shooter? Come on

How many games as a senior in high school did he score 0 points?

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47 minutes ago, MadAboutIndiana said:

Nick Z had multiple 0fer games. Is he not a knockdown shooter? Come on

In high school?

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Fwiw....

Ziesloft

Prep/Personal

Finished his career at Lyons Township High School with 108 career three-point makes ... A 2011 McDonald's All-America nominee ... Two-time All-West Suburban Conference selection ... Led the Lions to a pair of regional championships ... In 2011, the Lions finished 26-3 and lost to eventual state champion Chicago Simeon in the sectional final ... As a senior, averaged 16.3 points, 6.1 rebounds and four assists per game ... Led the team with 323 points as a junior and averaged 11.5 points per game ... Coached by Tom Sloan ... A four-year member of the honor roll ... Born December 18, 1992 ... Son of Mark and Jennifer Zeisloft ... Oldest of three children ... Name is pronounced: Nick ZIE-sloft ... Graduated with a degree in Finance from Illinois State ... Will enroll in graduate school at the Kelley School of Business.

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1 hour ago, MadAboutIndiana said:

Nick Z had multiple 0fer games. Is he not a knockdown shooter? Come on

 

33 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

How many games as a senior in high school did he score 0 points?

 

Looks like Nick Zeisloft is 13th all time for Lyons Township scoring leaders. FYI...Niego is 4th all time. 

Nick's best season in HS was 20th best in school history at 439 points. His junior year he scored 323 points

Grant scored 404 points his senior year, and 402 his junior year.

I have no idea how Grant will do as an IUBB designated shooter, but his high school stats are more than comparable to Nick Zeisloft's.

 

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13 hours ago, MadAboutIndiana said:

I don't think he's gonna do a whole bunch at IU, but I think the Hornsby comparison is spot on. What's wrong with signing a guy like that ya know?

Hornsby was a starter on a National Runner up team. Might be stretching it just a tad......both 6'5"ish white guys though.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,228]

Very similar stats from what I can find. Might be exactly the type of player Crean hopes Grant becomes (ziesloft clone). He is 6'5". Learned from research that Grant's favorite player was Jon Scheyer and he hopes to play in the NBA someday.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,228]

Hornsby was an absolute stud in HS. Not a good comparison. Look up his stats. Ziesloft seems like a fair comparison though relative to high school.

[Bowhunter 2,693]

I get the giving a guy a chance for your last player coming off the bench, but this makes two guys riding the pine imo

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[MadAboutIndiana 402]

Gelon doesn't bleed IU, more like blue and white as he grew up a diehard duke fan

Cool, man.

The point is, he seems to be a prideful kid/one that will spill it all out there.

Not surprising he wasn't an IU fan growing up. Would you have been?