Indiana won't be Indiana until it wants to be Indiana

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Going by that reasoning then Crean has absolutely nothing to do with it when they hit threes, slam dunks, or anything else.

Yep. Players make plays. Crean gives guys a LOT of freedom. I love that. The announcers talked about Bo pulling guys after a TO. You can't play basketball like robots. It's not surprising Wisconsin chokes and tenses up in the tourney when they don't get the calls.

Our program features guys who have skill. This has made IU a destination. We just have to get past this uncertainty that the media created after Halloween night.

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By the way, on our avatar bet, NZ has now made 40 3-pointers, so that hits the qualification of 1 make per game for the season. Under 39% you win, over 41% I win. NZ is currently at 40.08% We have a legitimate contest!

he's shooting well. I hope you win

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What's changed from a few years ago when IU was top 10 in PPP ATO?

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If he has no responsibility when they play piss poor basketball then he he gets no credit when they play "an exciting, appealing, attacking" basketball.

If he gets credit when they do well then he gets blamed when they jack up.

Coaches in general get far too much credit. NBA coaches have to make decisions that matter at the end of games. Everyone has talent and execution is the difference. In college, you have to have the players and a coach who can bring it all together and put people in position. Not everyone has the talent.

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It's not alarming when we have a flawed team. Margin for error is zero. We are winning because we have good guard play. It's the only difference from last year.

Ok, we haven't dominated second halves with this team. It's not that alarming. Not that important. All that matters is if you win.

It's not just this team, it's Crean's teams. It's a trend. We lose the second half almost twice as much as we do the first half of games. Even in our good years.

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Yep. Players make plays. Crean gives guys a LOT of freedom. I love that. The announcers talked about Bo pulling guys after a TO. You can't play basketball like robots. It's not surprising Wisconsin chokes and tenses up in the tourney when they don't get the calls.

Our program features guys who have skill. This has made IU a destination. We just have to get past this uncertainty that the media created after Halloween night.

Bo pulls them after a mistake? He's got nothing on TC! TC pulls them after they make a couple of threes!

Players make plays?TC has nothing to do with on court success or failure? What the hell we need him for then?

They fail because they don't follow his play call? But succeed because he gives them freedom?

This sounds like a Tom Crean press conference!

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No pulls them after a mistake? He's got nothing on TC! TC pulls them after they make a couple of threes!

Players make plays?TC has nothing to do with on court success or failure? What the hell we need him for then?

They fail because they don't follow his play call? But succeed because he gives them freedom?

This sounds like a Tom Crean press conference!

You realize coaching can occur outside of game nights... But no one is there to critique that to the nth degree like here after every freaking game... So much over analysis. These games truly are not that meaningful. The season is a process. No one will care about winning 13 B1G games if we lose in the first round. Sad but true.

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It's not just this team, it's Crean's teams. It's a trend. We lose the second half almost twice as much as we do the first half of games. Even in our good years.

Yet we keep on winning games. I don't care how it happens. I am not knocking your point, I get the concern. I just don't think it's as significant as you'd think. There are a million stats you could point to that all paint different pictures. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm ignoring, I just don't see how it's something worth going out of your way to highlight when we win the damn games...

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You realize coaching can occur outside of game nights... But no one is there to critique that to the nth degree like here after every freaking game... So much over analysis. These games truly are not that meaningful. The season is a process. No one will care about winning 13 B1G games if we lose in the first round. Sad but true.

You realize that if you are EFFECTIVELY coaching outside of game night...the result will show up on game night?

The season is a process and if at the end of that process your team is going out in the first or second round ninety percent of the time...reevaluate your method.

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You realize that if you are EFFECTIVELY coaching outside of game night...the result will show up on game night?

The season is a process and if at the end of that process your team is going out in the first or second round ninety percent of the time...reevaluate your method.

It's impossible for anyone to say that his method doesn't work as an outsider. That's just the truth. It's not like coaches are all doing their own thing.. Or Crean is so much different than other coaches. They all pretty much do the same things.

People here read far too deep into coaching decisions. They often don't make a bit of difference. The better team on a given night wins. It's not black and white where each team is always at its optimum. College ball is crazy. I know you guys all think I'm an idiot, but really. Mike Davis got to a title. How much did he really have to do with it?

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It's impossible for anyone to say that his method doesn't work as an outsider. That's just the truth. It's not like coaches are all doing their own thing.. Or Crean is so much different than other coaches. They all pretty much do the same things.

People here read far too deep into coaching decisions. They often don't make a bit of difference. The better team on a given night wins. It's not black and white where each team is always at its optimum. College ball is crazy. I know you guys all think I'm an idiot, but really. Mike Davis got to a title. How much did he really have to do with it?

Mike Davis got outta town after six years...Creans clock is ticking.

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Mike Davis got outta town after six years...Creans clock is ticking.

True. He inherited Jeffries and the boys. Crean had Finkelmeier. Bit of a difference there.

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True. He inherited Jeffries and the boys. Crean had Finkelmeier. Bit of a difference there.

He replaced Bob Knight. Crean? Sampson...he couldn't be any worse! Nowhere to go but up. Absolutely no expectation for Crean the first three years and very little the fourth. Most people had them slotted for the NIT.

Davis? He made the NC game with Jefferies and company. Crean with Zeller and Victor...made the sweet sixteen?

I'd argue that in some ways Davis had a lot more pressure on him than Crean did and had no previous experience to learn from or draw on.

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He replaced Bob Knight. Crean? Sampson...he couldn't be any worse! Nowhere to go but up. Absolutely no expectation for Crean the first three years and very little the fourth. Most people had them slotted for the NIT.

Davis? He made the NC game with Jefferies and company. Crean with Zeller and Victor...made the sweet sixteen?

I'd argue that in some ways Davis had a lot more pressure on him than Crean did and had no previous experience to learn from or draw on.

I can't argue with logic like this. I don't know what your point even is. IU went on a Cinderella run... And we got a bad 1v4 matchup. Both of these things happen on a yearly basis in March.

Comparing Davis situation to Crean's is way off base imo. It's not even close. Death penalty, baseball players, and managers versus a veteran team... Hmm.

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Yep. Players make plays. Crean gives guys a LOT of freedom. I love that. The announcers talked about Bo pulling guys after a TO. You can't play basketball like robots. It's not surprising Wisconsin chokes and tenses up in the tourney when they don't get the calls.
Our program features guys who have skill. This has made IU a destination. We just have to get past this uncertainty that the media created after Halloween night.

Didn't Wisconsin literally just make it further than we ever have with Crean. Also, Lmao blaming the media for the shut storm that our own players brought upon themselves

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Didn't Wisconsin literally just make it further than we ever have with Crean. Also, Lmao blaming the media for the shut storm that our own players brought upon themselves

Calling for Crean to be fired was pathetic. A pitiful attempt to help out his buddy Dakich. The CBS article quoting that scorned manager was disgusting... Flat out lies. So yeah, our players needed their wake up call. But that's Crean's job. The media blew it all up per usual. Not making an excuse for the players or program. Just pointing it out that people have to cut through the noise. I see so much misinformation regarding iubb that it makes me think it is (somewhat) this 24/7 social media frenzy that is influencing the thought of many. Dakich's broadcasts are essentially Peegs complaint recaps.

And anyone who thinks failed drug tests are a big deal... Good luck fielding a team. The players just need to be, uh, not stupid. Do it out of season.

But ok, dude. They did. By Indiana standards, Bo the genius would have been sent packing by 2005.

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I can't argue with logic like this. I don't know what your point even is. IU went on a Cinderella run... And we got a bad 1v4 matchup. Both of these things happen on a yearly basis in March.

Comparing Davis situation to Crean's is way off base imo. It's not even close. Death penalty, baseball players, and managers versus a veteran team... Hmm.

There were no expectations for Crean. None! There were expectations on Davis.

You made the original comment about Davis.

I'm my opinion Davis was a nice guy who was in over his head. Crean? nice guy who might be in over his head?

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Calling for Crean to be fired was pathetic. A pitiful attempt to help out his buddy Dakich. The CBS article quoting that scorned manager was disgusting... Flat out lies. So yeah, our players needed their wake up call. But that's Crean's job. The media blew it all up per usual.
And anyone who thinks failed drug tests are a big deal... Good luck fielding a team. The players just need to be, uh, not stupid. Do it out of season.
But ok, dude. They did. By Indiana standards, Bo the genius would have been sent packing by 2005.

Not really they didn't. We had a horrible year last year, then we had a number of off the court issues that were further complicated by an awful accident.

Also how is that argument valid. He would have been coaching completely different players. Bo routinely gets more from less,your ripping his style as the reason for their postseason record doesn't really make sense

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There were no expectations for Crean. None! There were expectations on Davis.

You made the original comment about Davis.

I'm my opinion Davis was a nice guy who was in over his head. Crean? nice guy who might be in over his head?

So in his 2nd real year with a team, there weren't expectations? Ok.

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Not really they didn't. We had a horrible year last year, then we had a number of off the court issues that were further complicated by an awful accident.

Also how is that argument valid. He would have been coaching completely different players. Bo routinely gets more from less,your ripping his style as the reason for their postseason record doesn't really make sense

Personally, I think Bo is great. And he's hilarious. Just saying, IU fans think they are above a coach of Bo's caliber. So it's not just me. I tend to think this UW team actually has a chance to win the tourney. They have it all right now.

As far as the coverage goes, most of it was very fair. The national media, however, got it all wrong as usual. I guess it does show IU basketball is a big deal when fake IDs are a big story.