Recruiting Momentum

[hoosierpap 14,300]

Yea, but what about our recruiting momentum?

Improved since spring  :yes:

[Alford Bailey 12,393]

yeah, just corrected the LaLu to Bowman. It's been a while. Good insight. Interesting we are in his top 5. Won't gamble on Lyle, but will for Dillard?

Just what I was thinking.....

[JaybobHoosier 11,852]

Mdn going at it today lol!

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

Sloan Screen #45

Alfordbailey,
You have to remember when posting here, many of the respondents were either in diapers, or not around to experience the "real" IU basketball tradition.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Wayne/AlfordBailey, see this is what I don't get. The passive aggressive comment about JaQuan Lyle. IU didn't exhaust all resources there? Their effort in recruiting him wasn't good enough? They were first to offer--before anyone here knew who he was. They maintained a relationship even when they weren't actively recruiting him. Tom Crean personally looked out for the kid because he cared that much. It didn't end up being a fit at this point in time......... but man, hard to argue with IU's effort in getting Lyle in position to be a Hoosier. Just didn't fit.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Alfordbailey,
You have to remember when posting here, many of the respondents were either in diapers, or not around to experience the "real" IU basketball tradition.

Please inform inquiring minds what "real" IU basketball is.

[Alford Bailey 12,393]

Alfordbailey,
You have to remember when posting here, many of the respondents were either in diapers, or not around to experience the "real" IU basketball tradition.

Oh, I know all too well.

[mdn82 25,510]

Mdn going at it today lol!

Been a while...

[Big Bad Wolf 101]

Wayne/AlfordBailey, see this is what I don't get. The passive aggressive comment about JaQuan Lyle. IU didn't exhaust all resources there? Their effort in recruiting him wasn't good enough? They were first to offer--before anyone here knew who he was. They maintained a relationship even when they weren't actively recruiting him. Tom Crean personally looked out for the kid because he cared that much. It didn't end up being a fit at this point in time......... but man, hard to argue with IU's effort in getting Lyle in position to be a Hoosier. Just didn't fit.

They did all of that and still lost out to rival Ohio State. It didn't fit bbecause so many of his players have gotten into trouble that the perception is that he has lost control and he couldn't afford to take a chance on him. Matta has no problem taking a chance on him. Isnt that nice?

I'm still curious as to who the next commit from Indiana will be. All of the top indiana kids seem to be wanting anything but indiana, and that's sad.

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

Please inform inquiring minds what "real" IU basketball is.

Real IU basketball begins with recruiting selfless players, and if you'd have read my previous post on the topic you'd get a fair picture of the rest.
Instead of always looking for blue-chippers, in an effort to boost our prominence among our peers, let's look for players that fill positions and roles logically.

[schoosier 3,496]

Partly why recruiting has fallen off to some degree is because the Indiana fan base is psychotic/bipolar and along with bleeding heart media have manufactured the appearance of a program in flux with imminent change upcoming. Recruits don't know if Crean will be at IU, even though he will be, because every coach that is recruiting them is showing them the same things.... including posts on sites like this.
 
This is just a small part of it, but it is influencing parents.
 
Luckily, Crean has this team back in the tourney so assuming we add our center in the spring, the 2016 class should be a good one.

Of couse, it's the fan base's fault for why Crean's recruiting is off. Let's blame the product on the court which is the real reason. These excuses are so old it's laughable at this point. At least you are right in line with the athletic director; keep making excuses and maybe things will work out which they never do. Glass is just buying time on his ridiculous contract, but it's quickly catching up with him. He will be practicing law once again in the very near future.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,474]

Wayne/AlfordBailey, see this is what I don't get. The passive aggressive comment about JaQuan Lyle. IU didn't exhaust all resources there? Their effort in recruiting him wasn't good enough? They were first to offer--before anyone here knew who he was. They maintained a relationship even when they weren't actively recruiting him. Tom Crean personally looked out for the kid because he cared that much. It didn't end up being a fit at this point in time......... but man, hard to argue with IU's effort in getting Lyle in position to be a Hoosier. Just didn't fit.

as a fanbase, we can't have it both ways. Either we didn't want him or he didn't want us. Simple as that. My point is, the fanbase wants to say we didn't take Lyle because of his history. I think there is more to it. He didn't want us. IU is obviously willing to take personality gambles if we are recruiting Dillard.

For the record, with transfers being as prevalent as they are, I am willing to take some calculated gambles here and there.

[mdn82 25,510]

Alfordbailey,
You have to remember when posting here, many of the respondents were either in diapers, or not around to experience the "real" IU basketball tradition.

I wasn't but I will nibble at this. If you have to say what you just said then the reality is it is so far gone it will take far more than 7 years to get it back. I don't know if Crean is the man to get it done. I have more doubts than the next person. But I am also reasonable enough to know it was going downhill soon after our last title when RMK was still here. If anything Crean's tenure will be remembered for starting to get away from 2 awful hires and an administration who wasn't trying to bring the program down. I think we can all agree we are in a better spot than 10 years ago. With or without Crean it wasn't broke overnight, so it will take time and a day by day approach to get us to where we belong.

[mdn82 25,510]

Real IU basketball begins with recruiting selfless players, and if you'd have read my previous post on the topic you'd get a fair picture of the rest.
Instead of always looking for blue-chippers, in an effort to boost our prominence among our peers, let's look for players that fill positions and roles logically.

When was the last time that logic worked for IU? Truthfully. Is the game of college basketball the same as where you perceive IU Utopia?

[trailrunner 49]

So by me saying you hate Crean I was attacking? You don't hate Crean or post your feelings at every thought you have on the man? Damn some of you guys need to grow a pair if you are going to post something you are aiming to get a response on and actually do. Yes that is me attacking your fortitude. You are lacking if you can't objectively look at what I said and respond. I will gladly let you respond to this without any concerns of backlash. Grow a pair with some facts for God sake. Do you really feel every player Wayne listed is a miss? Do you really feel that isn't the norm for all coaches? Please enlighten me with facts. Not hatred toward the man. His coaching sucks half of the time. Yes it does. Our defensive preparation sucks this year. We have outplayed expectations by adjusting the talent we currently have. There was an objective response. Do you have the ability to do the same? I have been a mod for years and I can honestly say I highly doubt it...

As a mod you should probably not even post. To me a mod should monitor decorum and etiquette and above all remain objective. To tell posters to grow some is demeaning and insulting. The problem with forums is some folks will insult others here but pee their panties if they were face to face.

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

I wasn't but I will nibble at this. If you have to say what you just said then the reality is it is so far gone it will take far more than 7 years to get it back. I don't know if Crean is the man to get it done. I have more doubts than the next person. But I am also reasonable enough to know it was going downhill soon after our last title when RMK was still here. If anything Crean's tenure will be remembered for starting to get away from 2 awful hires and an administration who wasn't trying to bring the program down. I think we can all agree we are in a better spot than 10 years ago. With or without Crean it wasn't broke overnight, so it will take time and a day by day approach to get us to where we belong.

You're absolutely right, the jury's out on Crean, I'd just add that Fred Glass had a place as AD a few years ago, when we needed a PR man. He offered some stability, brought calm to many, and had a place in rejecting the shame brought to IU by Sampson. I believe though, that his usefulness as an AD is insufficient to plotting a successful course for IU athletics. I'd like to see fresh blood in the AD office, someone who can manage sports better, not someone trying to be everyone's buddy.

[mdn82 25,510]

For one time I would love for an answer on what would fix IU not begin with "back in IU glory days..." The smartest universities are forward thinking. The ones who win recruiting battles for 17 year olds doesn't begin with a pitch of a title close to 30 years ago. If that is the best we have to offer then no wonder we have no momentum... Remember Bob Knight? He coached here. The same 17 year old kid would say who? They were in diapers when his tenure ended. So, Hoosiernation. How about some forward thinking?

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,276]

If we land a stong center, we will be alright....it isn't the end of the world. Let's just wait and see what happens at the end of the season.

[mdn82 25,510]

As a mod you should probably not even post. To me a mod should monitor decorum and etiquette and above all remain objective. To tell posters to grow some is demeaning and insulting. The problem with forums is some folks will insult others here but pee their panties if they were face to face.

Gotcha. As a mod I will try and not be a fan. You can have my spot if that were a requirement. I promise I will try to not pee in my panties...

[schoosier 3,496]

I am pretty sure he has improved his record from year one until today since all 7 years are accounted for. I think he maybe even has more than doubled success of years 1 and 2 of the 7 years.

From 6 to 10 to 12 wins in three years at Indiana, so how difficult is it to improve on that? A 117-103 total record including a horrible 46-71 Big record. That's a .393 win % in conference and 4 out of 7 losing seasons only if we don't collapse this year like last. Just open your eyes to what it is instead of hoping for what its not. Crean's not letting others make the coaching decisions like he did at Michigan Stateanymore.