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[coonhounds 10,464]

This may sound like blasphemy to some---but I don't rank that IU team as one of the all-time greats.

Jordy was defensively limited and injured----Yogi was young----Cwat played hard in spurts---and Zeller was a little weak and soft around the rim.

No gripes with Vic.

They were better collectively then they were individually----playing as a team was their strength.

But I have seen much better teams talent-wise that did not make it past the sweet 16.

I will agree with this entire post and then question why that was? Coaching?

[coonhounds 10,464]

I think to get back on track we need to win all these next three games at least. I think how this team responds saturday may tell us what to expect the rest of the year. If we come out great we have the confidence to overcome a loss like Msu but if we r bad again it could b tough from here on.

[TheStillman 991]

I think he meant the year before, when they won it all with some of the same players. 

 

I thought that too but it wasn't very clear what he meant.  Losing Shane Battier from 2001 made a difference for that team but they were still loaded.  Maybe the most loaded team up until this year's UK squad.  

 

In my opinion IU upsetting Duke in 2002 was a way bigger upset than Syracuse upsetting IU in 2013.

[JSHoosier 22,182]

I dont buy in to the fact Z would have come, no matter the coach. His brothers strayed away is my indicator.

Samsung was the coach when Tyler was recruited, considering the behind the scenes s*** storm that was our program at the time it's not hard to see why he didn't come here.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I thought that too but it wasn't very clear what he meant.  Losing Shane Battier from 2001 made a difference for that team but they were still loaded.  Maybe the most loaded team up until this year's UK squad.  

 

In my opinion IU upsetting Duke in 2002 was a way bigger upset than Syracuse upsetting IU in 2013.

 

I think so too.

 

I rank that as one of IU's all time greatest upsets!
 

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Samsung was the coach when Tyler was recruited, considering the behind the scenes s*** storm that was our program at the time it's not hard to see why he didn't come here.

 

Someone with inside information can clear this up----but I always heard Tyler wanted to come to IU----he was just not sure he fit in with about half the team ---and his parents were smart enough to know storm clouds were gathering over Bloomington/Sampson.
 

[Str8Hoosiers 2,972]

They lost in the sweet 16 to IU.

 

 

I think he meant the year before, when they won it all with some of the same players. 

 

I wish I meant the year before.... I appologize but apparently I have been living a lie in my head for the past 12 years..... I swear I thought that game when we beat them was in the Final Four and sent us to the Championship game... I did not remember the Kent St or Oklahoma games from that year....

 

You are correct sir... that team should be considered a big underachiever (using the sweet 16 logic)...

[southernindianahoosier 422]

I wish I meant the year before.... I appologize but apparently I have been living a lie in my head for the past 12 years..... I swear I thought that game when we beat them was in the Final Four and sent us to the Championship game... I did not remember the Kent St or Oklahoma games from that year....

You are correct sir... that team should be considered a big underachiever (using the sweet 16 logic)...

I re-watched that game and the reason I don't consider that Duke team the most underachieving team is because of how they played that game.

If duke had shown up and gotten blown out and looked embarrassing on the floor, (like they had never seen a zone) then that's a different story.

[TheStillman 991]

From a pure talent standpoint that Duke team ran circles around 2012-13 IU.  That 2002 Duke roster included these guys who played in the NBA:

 

Jay Williams

Carlos Boozer

Chris Duhon

Mike Dunleavy

Dahntay Jones

Daniel Ewing 

 

All of these guys also had championship experience having won it all the year before.  

 

I honestly can't think of a more talented team than that Duke squad that got knocked out in the round of 16.

 

As much as 2012-13 hurt to lose, especially in that manner, I think it says a lot about the lack of success in the program over the past 20 years that IU fans act like it was some monumental upset.  Every year 1 seeds just as talented as that IU team lose in the manner and round that IU lost in 2012-13.  

[BlueDevil 9,526]

09-10 Kansas with the Morris twins, Cole Aldrich, sherron collins, Thomas robinson, Jeff Withey, Tyshawn Taylor ranks up there after going down to Ali

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Agree BlueDevil----even that was a bigger upset in my book!

[TheStillman 991]

To get back on topic...

 

In order to make the tournament it is looking like the Hoosiers will need to win 10 of the final 16.  I will break those next 16 into four 4 game segments:

 

First four: vs. OSU vs. PSU @Illinois vs Maryland 

We need to win 3 of 4, not important which 3 just need 3 wins

 

Second Four: @OSU @Purdue vs Rutgers @Wisconsin

The toughest remaining stretch.  If we win two it would be HUGE but I think we go 1-3

 

 

Third Four: vs. Michigan @Maryland vs. Minnesota vs. Purdue

Very important stretch.  Have to win 3 of 4.

 

 

Fourth Four: @ Rutgers @Northwestern vs. Iowa vs. MSU

Again you have to win 3 of 4.  Our two easiest road games remaining.  Win those two and split the final 2 at home.

 

There you have it.  Our road to the tourney.  It would put the Hoosiers at 21-10 (11-7).  Thoughts?

 

4-0 through the first 4!  On to the next

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

We are definitely ahead of where most of us thought we would be this year.

 

We need to win 1 of the next 4 road games----at O$U--at Purdue--at Wiscy---and at Maryland.

 

But---if we could win 2 or more of those---we are building toward a special//title contending season as the second half of the Big Ten is easier---we will be favored in our final 6 games.

 

This is fun!

[TheStillman 991]

To get back on topic...

 

In order to make the tournament it is looking like the Hoosiers will need to win 10 of the final 16.  I will break those next 16 into four 4 game segments:

 

First four: vs. OSU vs. PSU @Illinois vs Maryland 

We need to win 3 of 4, not important which 3 just need 3 wins

 

Second Four: @OSU @Purdue vs Rutgers @Wisconsin

The toughest remaining stretch.  If we win two it would be HUGE but I think we go 1-3

 

 

Third Four: vs. Michigan @Maryland vs. Minnesota vs. Purdue

Very important stretch.  Have to win 3 of 4.

 

 

Fourth Four: @ Rutgers @Northwestern vs. Iowa vs. MSU

Again you have to win 3 of 4.  Our two easiest road games remaining.  Win those two and split the final 2 at home.

 

There you have it.  Our road to the tourney.  It would put the Hoosiers at 21-10 (11-7).  Thoughts?

 

With the "Second Four" Complete we are now 5-3 halfway through these final 16 games.  Pretty good and right on point to where we needed.  The "Second Four" was always going to be the toughest stretch and winning even 2 of those games was a longshot, such is life on the road in the B1G.

 

Moving on we need to win 5 of our final 8, which is extremely doable.  Outside of Maryland there's no reason we shouldn't be thinking we are the favorites with every game remaining.  This team has a run in it.  There's a month left in the season.  

 

Feel free to sit around and sulk about what you think Indiana should be, continue to talk about why we lost to Syracuse and how we don't act like an elite program.  There's plenty of threads around here to do that and act like you're Skip Bayless on First Take with your hot takes on the IU program's future.

 

But in reality we have a shot at finishing top 3 in the conference and securing a top 6 seed in the tournament.  It is a total crapshoot from there and I like this team's chances in the tournament.

 

So what is everyone's prediction on remaining games?

 

Mine is 6-2 with losses at Maryland and at home to Iowa.  We finish the season strong with a big win over MSU.  We also beat Purdue by more than they beat us.

[Hutch89 2,946]

8-0 baby!! We got those terps once, let's give it to em again.

Prolly 6-2, but 7-1 would be sick!

[Hovadipo 61,148]

With the "Second Four" Complete we are now 5-3 halfway through these final 16 games. Pretty good and right on point to where we needed. The "Second Four" was always going to be the toughest stretch and winning even 2 of those games was a longshot, such is life on the road in the B1G.

Moving on we need to win 5 of our final 8, which is extremely doable. Outside of Maryland there's no reason we shouldn't be thinking we are the favorites with every game remaining. This team has a run in it. There's a month left in the season.

Feel free to sit around and sulk about what you think Indiana should be, continue to talk about why we lost to Syracuse and how we don't act like an elite program. There's plenty of threads around here to do that and act like you're Skip Bayless on First Take with your hot takes on the IU program's future.

But in reality we have a shot at finishing top 3 in the conference and securing a top 6 seed in the tournament. It is a total crapshoot from there and I like this team's chances in the tournament.

So what is everyone's prediction on remaining games?

Mine is 6-2 with losses at Maryland and at home to Iowa. We finish the season strong with a big win over MSU. We also beat Purdue by more than they beat us.

Can't like the bottom portion of this enough. Well said. For your first part, we're still on pace after going 4-0 in the First Four. Let's finish strong!

[TheStillman 991]

There's an entire offseason to debate the state of the program and whether a move should be made.

We're about to begin a HUGE 8 game stretch where this team can make some major noise nationally entering the tourney.

Anyone else see where we've played the 2nd hardest conference schedule in B1G so far. And we've come out of it relatively healthy (once Hanner comes back) and set up to get a top 8 seed in the tourney.

Sunday sets the tone. Assembly better be rocking for these kids because it's in this game where we get our mojo back.

[Hutch89 2,946]

here here!!

We need to set the tone for the rest of the regular conference season with a big win against Michigan. We got their number, so let's dial it up and get that dub.

[coonhounds 10,464]

This michigan game couldn't b bigger. We need a good game just to prove we r still capable as I am worried about the morale of the team. If we lose this one then I am officially worried about the rest of the season. I understand people saying we r still ok and these losses were expected but to me it is how we lost and looked.

[TheStillman 991]

To get back on topic...

 

In order to make the tournament it is looking like the Hoosiers will need to win 10 of the final 16.  I will break those next 16 into four 4 game segments:

 

First four: vs. OSU vs. PSU @Illinois vs Maryland 

We need to win 3 of 4, not important which 3 just need 3 wins

 

Second Four: @OSU @Purdue vs Rutgers @Wisconsin

The toughest remaining stretch.  If we win two it would be HUGE but I think we go 1-3

 

 

Third Four: vs. Michigan @Maryland vs. Minnesota vs. Purdue

Very important stretch.  Have to win 3 of 4.

 

 

Fourth Four: @ Rutgers @Northwestern vs. Iowa vs. MSU

Again you have to win 3 of 4.  Our two easiest road games remaining.  Win those two and split the final 2 at home.

 

There you have it.  Our road to the tourney.  It would put the Hoosiers at 21-10 (11-7).  Thoughts?

 

Meant to bring this back up after the third set of games but after the Purdue loss had to give myself a bit of a break.  Anyway before the season we knew that third set was important and 3 of 4 was needed.  2-2 isn't so bad after all given that we started the season 4-0 in the league.

 

As much as the third set of games hurt (especially the Purdue loss) remember that we were 2 Yogi Ferrell 3-pointers away from going 4-0 over that stretch.  YES I agree that you don't get wins for what-ifs but regardless you can't just ignore it because you're then ignoring the reality which is that this team has played really well over the last 5 games.  3-2 is not what we all wanted but when you're 6 points from it being 5-0 with two wins coming in blowout fashion it is tough for me to sit here and not roll my eyes when people say this team is regressing in any manner.

 

We got the 1st win in the fourth set of games last night.  3 games left and 3-0 is possible.  Many on here jumping off the bandwagon to the point that some on a thread after the Purdue game stated they kinda are just hoping we blow it down the stretch to give the administration an excuse to get rid of Crean.  That is absurd.  Get excited for these final 3 and a run in the BTT and NCAA tournament.  This team has EARNED that respect.  Even if you don't like Crean just sit back and enjoy what should be a great final month to the season because in over a month there will be no more Hoosier basketball until November!  

 

Now that is depressing!