Uspshoosier Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: If you want to just discuss bracketology then sure. But the Indiana fan base just does it in general. To justify our mediocrity. Bracketologist in me can point out that the Iowa game wasn’t a bad loss, the IU fandom in me can acknowledge that losing a 21 point lead on the road is a bad loss HoosierAloha, Ryno6284, BtownStrength and 2 others 3 2 Quote
IU Scott Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: If you want to just discuss bracketology then sure. But the Indiana fan base just does it in general. To justify our mediocrity. Sure whatever you say but no one is justifying mediocrity. Some can look at things objectively and realize that all programs go through the same things. Some others just look at the team they supposedly are fans of and think we are the only team with those problems. I see people saying how we don't know how to face a zone just because some moron said so. Some just go with that theory because they want to have a reason to bash the coach. Like in 2016 where we lost to Syracuse people couldt believe how bad we did against their zone but they never look at that everyone that year struggled with their zone. Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Sure whatever you say but no one is justify mediocrity. Some can look at things objectively and realize that all programs gonthrough the same things. Some others just look at the team they supposedly are fans of and think we are the only team with those problems. I see people saying how we don't know how to face a zone just because some moron said so. Some just gonwith that theory because they want to have a reason to badh the coach. Like in 2016 where we lost to Syracuse people couldt believe how bad we did against their zone but they never look at that everyone that year struggled with their zone. Yea sure... Try and go find the last 25 year spell of mediocrity from Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke... Quote
HoosierAloha Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said: Iowa loss to eastern Illinois smashed their NET. Iowa isn’t a bad team they just had a brain fart against a terrible team even if their best player was out. Iowa has a convincing win against Iowa st who is good. They have neutral court win against Clemson and road win at Seton Hall. People can trash IU for losing to them on the road but that’s not a bad loss for IU We might have different definitions of a brain fart. Losing your man on a single play seems more like a brain fart to me. Getting beat on your home floor to a team THAT bad? It wasn't like they played bad and got beat on a last second shot. They were handled in the second half by a team that sits at 350 on Kenpom AFTER winning at Iowa. That's horrible. They followed that up by getting run by Nebrasketball before looking bad at Penn State for ~35 minutes. The Iowa loss itself isn't bad. Couple how it played out with what we've seen earlier in the season and it's bad. Add to that what Iowa looked like prior to that game and what we did in the first part of the first half. Ouch. Uspshoosier 1 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, cthomas said: You are nearly always a voice of analytical reason we the fan base whips itself into a frenzy. Everyone sees things from the perspective that exists inside their head. Nothing wrong with that. But I always look forward to the more balanced view that you often bring. I appreciate the kind words. I try to bring a view from a college basketball fan not necessarily an IU fan. tkbbn, RaceToTheTop and Muskie for three 3 Quote
IU Scott Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: Yea sure... Try and go find the last 25 year spell of mediocrity from Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke... What the hell does that have to do with this discussion. I have said our fans have been part of the problem and I am referring to fans like you. At every turn you take a chance to bash the coaches and players and maybe players and coaches don't want to play for fans like you. I have been told the fans have nothing to do with it so how are fans settling for mediocrity effect the team. We have had 6 coaches and 5 AD's in the last 23 years so I think that shows that no one has settled for mediocrity. RaceToTheTop 1 Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 Clemson locking up a road win at Pitt. Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: What the hell does that have to do with this discussion. I have said our fans have been part of the problem and I am regfeting to fans like you. At every turn you take a chance to bash the coaches and players and maybe players and coaches don't want to play for fans like you. I have been told the fans have nothing to do with it so how are fans settling for mediocrity effect the team. We have had 6 coaches and 5 AD's in the last 23 years so I think that shows that no one has settled for mediocrity. You said every program goes through... Yea the elite ones have not... But I guess we don't want to be in that company anymore. Quote
Ryno6284 Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, IU Scott said: What the hell does that have to do with this discussion. I have said our fans have been part of the problem and I am regfeting to fans like you. At every turn you take a chance to bash the coaches and players and maybe players and coaches don't want to play for fans like you. I have been told the fans have nothing to do with it so how are fans settling for mediocrity effect the team. We have had 6 coaches and 5 AD's in the last 23 years so I think that shows that no one has settled for mediocrity. Scott, it's not worth going back and forth about this stuff with younger IU fans on this board. We come from a different generation and see things differently. You will drive yourself crazy trying to explain yourself on here. IU Scott 1 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said: We might have different definitions of a brain fart. Losing your man on a single play seems more like a brain fart to me. Getting beat on your home floor to a team THAT bad? It wasn't like they played bad and got beat on a last second shot. They were handled in the second half by a team that sits at 350 on Kenpom AFTER winning at Iowa. That's horrible. They followed that up by getting run by Nebrasketball before looking bad at Penn State for ~35 minutes. The Iowa loss itself isn't bad. Couple how it played out with what we've seen earlier in the season and it's bad. Add to that what Iowa looked like prior to that game and what we did in the first part of the first half. Ouch. I just take other things into consideration when viewing teams I guess. Strange things happen during finals week for some teams and as this proved it happened a lot to some high majors during that period. Not excusing it but there is a reason college coaches dread playing anyone that week. Yep they lost on the road the next game after that. Again for me that happens. For as bad as they played in those games people should probably give them credit for how well they played against Big 12 leading Iowa st, ACC leading Clemson and a road win against seton hall. Season is long and there is going to be ups and downs for almost every team. Iowa had a really low point that they will pay the price for having. hoosierbgh 1 Quote
Rico Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: What the hell does that have to do with this discussion. I have said our fans have been part of the problem and I am referring to fans like you. At every turn you take a chance to bash the coaches and players and maybe players and coaches don't want to play for fans like you. I have been told the fans have nothing to do with it so how are fans settling for mediocrity effect the team. We have had 6 coaches and 5 AD's in the last 23 years so I think that shows that no one has settled for mediocrity. HoosierAloha and OliviaPope40 2 Quote
IU Scott Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: You said every program goes through... Yea the elite ones have not... But I guess we don't want to be in that company anymore. Well UNC and Duke this year are going through some problems. How bad does UNC have to to lose to such a sorry program like IU . Those two plus UK has as many if not more kisses than we do this year. When I say they go through the same problems I am talking about in the games. Like people complaining about how we shot against a certain team but they don't look at the fact that every team they played hasn't shot well. Quote
TheWatShot Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 Arizona kind of having a tough week. Struggled past Washington at home, now down 11 in the second half to Washington State. **Not trying to compare us in any way, make any excuses or generalizations; just an observation. HoosierAloha, RaceToTheTop and BGleas 3 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said: cowboys miss the front end of 1 and 1. Ike missing the whole year so far has killed their season. An injury that totally derailed a teams season Quote
Ryno6284 Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, Uspshoosier said: Ike missing the whole year so far has killed their season. An injury that totally derailed a teams season Did I hear right? They are missing 4 starters today? Quote
HoosierAloha Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Sure whatever you say but no one is justifying mediocrity. Some can look at things objectively and realize that all programs go through the same things. Some others just look at the team they supposedly are fans of and think we are the only team with those problems. I see people saying how we don't know how to face a zone just because some moron said so. Some just go with that theory because they want to have a reason to bash the coach. Like in 2016 where we lost to Syracuse people couldt believe how bad we did against their zone but they never look at that everyone that year struggled with their zone. We were once a blue blood, elite program that expected excellent. We are a washed up, has been program who has refused to adjust to what must be done and how it must be done to compete in this millennium. Has UCLA, puke, UNC, and Kansas settled like Indiana has settled? Would any of those programs continue to do the same thing with IU's results the last two decades? We are an average-at-best Big 1.o program with the remnants of a blue blood program (banners, fans, funding). I believe you meant 2013 when referencing Syracuse. Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said: Did I hear right? They are missing 4 starters today? I didn’t think it was that bad but I missed the beginning of the game. Quote
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