College Bball Thread

[Uspshoosier]

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Every bracketoligist would still love to know what numbers go into their algorithm to come up with their most important factor in the NET (Team Value Index). They still haven’t released that and probably never will


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[LIHoosier]

Every bracketoligist would still love to know what numbers go into their algorithm to come up with their most important factor in the NET (Team Value Index). They still haven’t released that and probably never will


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You'd think that KP or the other stat geeks would've spent some of the spring/summer trying to figure out the Colonel's recipe.

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[HoosierAloha]

Every bracketoligist would still love to know what numbers go into their algorithm to come up with their most important factor in the NET (Team Value Index). They still haven’t released that and probably never will


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You'd think that KP or the other stat geeks would've spent some of the spring/summer trying to figure out the Colonel's recipe.

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I believe in time they’ll get extremely close to figuring out that algorithm. Once they do, the committee will probably change it a bit.


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[Uspshoosier]

I believe in time they’ll get extremely close to figuring out that algorithm. Once they do, the committee will probably change it a bit.


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It shouldn’t be a big deal. They used RPI forever and that formula was known by everybody. Knowing just gives people with their own sites time to release their data early and gives them a better understanding of what they actual value in the NET which would be helpful at selection time. Now the only key they give is when they release their top 16 it gives a sneak peak at things to come. Now websites like Warren Nolan have to wait until the ncaa releases the net rankings each day for their own websites to update which frustrates some of those guys a lot


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Every bracketoligist would still love to know what numbers go into their algorithm to come up with their most important factor in the NET (Team Value Index). They still haven’t released that and probably never will


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They never will. They wouldn’t have the chance to rig it then.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

I believe in time they’ll get extremely close to figuring out that algorithm. Once they do, the committee will probably change it a bit.


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I don’t trust any business like the NCAA who only wants to use a ranking system they created for the tourney. A ranking system that clearly pushes P5(the money makers) up.


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[mdn82]

It shouldn’t be a big deal. They used RPI forever and that formula was known by everybody. Knowing just gives people with their own sites time to release their data early and gives them a better understanding of what they actual value in the NET which would be helpful at selection time. Now the only key they give is when they release their top 16 it gives a sneak peak at things to come. Now websites like Warren Nolan have to wait until the ncaa releases the net rankings each day for their own websites to update which frustrates some of those guys a lot


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Yep, I am indifferent on it to this point. I feel for the most part the best teams are playing in the big tournament. Last year was more of an outlier than most years and the formula wasn’t crazy off.


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[Uspshoosier]

2 hours ago, mdn82 said:

Yep, I am indifferent on it to this point. I feel for the most part the best teams are playing in the big tournament. Last year was more of an outlier than most years and the formula wasn’t crazy off.


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Anytime you implement something new there  will be a learning curve and trail and error. Last year they released the NET numbers too early and people lost their minds over the early numbers (RPI was just as bad with their early numbers). This year they listened to the feedback and will release them later on. I’m hoping to hear what tweaks they did to last years system.


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[Deserthoozier]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Anytime you implement something new there will be a learning curve and trail and error. Last year they released the NET numbers too early and people lost their minds over the early numbers (RPI was just as bad with their early numbers). This year they listened to the feedback and will release them later on. I’m hoping to hear what tweaks they did to last years system.


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Hearing they will release this Monday.

[Uspshoosier]

Hearing they will release this Monday.

Yep team sheets and NET go live December 16th


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[Uspshoosier]

Big Ten home teams now 10-0... I live the Big Ten.


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Unranked Illinois was 1.5 favorite at home against a top 5 team. Lol. I love college basketball. Bad news for road teams this year in the B1G but good news for me and other junkies that get to watch the anarchy


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

The NCAA needs to throw the NET in the trash, contract out several different rating systems that take different things into account and make a composite. Then go by that. The. You get as many as angles on teams as you can and it’d be more accurate.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

The NCAA needs to throw the NET in the trash, contract out several different rating systems that take different things into account and make a composite. Then go by that. The. You get as many as angles on teams as you can and it’d be more accurate.


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A composite doesn’t ensure “accuracy” and how do you define accuracy of a subjective quality “best teams”.

The NET is totally fine so far after one season.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

A composite doesn’t ensure “accuracy” and how do you define accuracy of a subjective quality “best teams”.

The NET is totally fine so far after one season.

Totally fine and rigged by the NCAA to ensure dolla bills. It’s a trash system. No one system can be the end all be all. So yes, if you have several different rating systems, you’re going to come out more accurate than what just the one would say.


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[mdn82]

A composite doesn’t ensure “accuracy” and how do you define accuracy of a subjective quality “best teams”.

The NET is totally fine so far after one season.

Yep it was perfectly fine last year. It got the teams in that should have been. I don’t recall much if any complaining last year.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

Totally fine and rigged by the NCAA to ensure dolla bills. It’s a trash system. No one system can be the end all be all. So yes, if you have several different rating systems, you’re going to come out more accurate than what just the one would say.


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Joe, they didn’t need to create a new rating system to rig it.

Why don’t you create your own composite and see how many of the mid majors make it in. The bigger schools are better because they have more money and can recruit better players. So you can try to fix the ratings all you want - it won’t help.

[Uspshoosier]

Totally fine and rigged by the NCAA to ensure dolla bills. It’s a trash system. No one system can be the end all be all. So yes, if you have several different rating systems, you’re going to come out more accurate than what just the one would say.


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Good thing it’s not the end all be all. Each committee member can take into account whatever metric they feel is important when each team comes up during the selection process. If the NET was the end all like you feared then NC State, Indiana, Clemson and Texas would of probably got a bid instead of Belmont, Temple, and St Johns. St Johns got in with a NET 73. Clemson and NC State got left out with 35 and 33 NET. Since they had IU in the first 4 out if it was about dollar bills shouldn’t they of just switched Belmont out for IU since they were close? I totally agree with you that the high major teams have an advantage over mid major teams during the selection process but that’s not a NET problem that’s a ncaa tournament selection problem that’s been going on since the beginning.


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[Hollywood Mike Miranda]

15 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Good thing it’s not the end all be all. Each committee member can take into account whatever metric they feel is important when each team comes up during the selection process. If the NET was the end all like you feared then NC State, Indiana, Clemson and Texas would of probably got a bid instead of Belmont, Temple, and St Johns. St Johns got in with a NET 73. Clemson and NC State got left out with 35 and 33 NET. Since they had IU in the first 4 out if it was about dollar bills shouldn’t they of just switched Belmont out for IU since they were close? I totally agree with you that the high major teams have an advantage over mid major teams during the selection process but that’s not a NET problem that’s a ncaa tournament selection problem that’s been going on since the beginning.


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Sometimes I come here just to read your excellent, insightful rebuttals. Bravo, sir.

[HoosierAloha]

Iowa State didn’t show up for this rivalry game.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Joe, they didn’t need to create a new rating system to rig it.

Why don’t you create your own composite and see how many of the mid majors make it in. The bigger schools are better because they have more money and can recruit better players. So you can try to fix the ratings all you want - it won’t help.

It’s even easier for them to rig a system that no one knows.


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