College Bball Thread

[X-Hoosier]

I'm all in for Adidas since they have us. the rest can all pound sand.

I guess it is good to settle for less.

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[mdn82]

I guess it is good to settle for less.

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For some. Good thing we got the best deal for IU.

[ALASKA HOOSIER]

Best deal for IU.....exactly!

[X-Hoosier]

For some. Good thing we got the best deal for IU.

Is it though? It is obvious that programs, players and business are going away from Adidas. Michigan, Wisconsin and UCLA are 3 that have went to Nike or Under Armour. Dwight Howard chucked them to the side. I don't know really of any NFL players with Adidas. I'd have to check that. They lost the support of NBA fans and didn't even attempt to compete for a new contract. They then gained the NHL and James Harden. Indiana is a basketball school. The decisions made do need to cater in the direction of basketball. Football would be the second priority. Adidas does not make a good product for basketball or football. It may be the best soccer brand in the world... but soccer pays for nothing at the University. Same with track. Indiana could have easily gotten a short term deal with Nike or Under Armour. It would be the 2nd contract that would have been big. Not only is the potential for better money there but the product of the two companies are far beyond that of Adidas. Adidas is an almost dying brand in the US. Nike is at the top obviously. Under Armour is #2 and has climbed fast. Signing with Adidas was a massive mistake and desperate move by Adidas as well as they try to save their butts in the US.

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[bhaggard89]

Isaiah Whitehead NBA

Nigel Hayes returns

Peter Jok returns

Josh Hart returns

Vince Edwards returns.

Troy Not IU, pro ball somewhere

Melo Trimble is 50/50.

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Why is Whitehead different than Troy? Whitehead should've returned. He will go unstaffed.

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Why is Whitehead different than Troy? Whitehead should've returned. He will go unstaffed.

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Whitehead will get drafted IMO. Stock was rising towards end of year. He is a bonehead though. Glad we didn't get him.

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[mdn82]

Is it though? It is obvious that programs, players and business are going away from Adidas. Michigan, Wisconsin and UCLA are 3 that have went to Nike or Under Armour. Dwight Howard chucked them to the side. I don't know really of any NFL players with Adidas. I'd have to check that. They lost the support of NBA fans and didn't even attempt to compete for a new contract. They then gained the NHL and James Harden. Indiana is a basketball school. The decisions made do need to cater in the direction of basketball. Football would be the second priority. Adidas does not make a good product for basketball or football. It may be the best soccer brand in the world... but soccer pays for nothing at the University. Same with track. Indiana could have easily gotten a short term deal with Nike or Under Armour. It would be the 2nd contract that would have been big. Not only is the potential for better money there but the product of the two companies are far beyond that of Adidas. Adidas is an almost dying brand in the US. Nike is at the top obviously. Under Armour is #2 and has climbed fast. Signing with Adidas was a massive mistake and desperate move by Adidas as well as they try to save their butts in the US.

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You are discussing sales potential and not money offered to a program. Big difference.

[mdn82]

Also, IU sells its basketball program on its tradition. That is a large part of them sticking with ADIDAS. I am sure IU is doing just fine with their deal.

[X-Hoosier]

You are discussing sales potential and not money offered to a program. Big difference.

Potential with a much better company or a long term deal with a cheap company... Remember Glass saying "This is Indiana" yet we settle so often like we're from the SWAC.

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[mdn82]

Potential with a much better company or a long term deal with a cheap company... Remember Glass saying "This is Indiana" yet we settle so often like we're from the SWAC.

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I know you are too young to understand this but part of "this is Indiana" is Adidas. Settle like we are in the SWAC? Lol dude. Their money pays all the same.

[X-Hoosier]

Also, IU sells its basketball program on its tradition. That is a large part of them sticking with ADIDAS. I am sure IU is doing just fine with their deal.

Indiana is 30 years of mediocrity separated from that tradition. It is time to let go. Remember it. But you can't rebuild the program on it. It doesn't work and never will. Kids now don't know about that history. It is time for Indiana basketball to step into a new era. Rather than shadowing the current players with the past we should be encouraging them to build a legacy of their own. A 30 year hiatus in being elite kinda garners a change.

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[mdn82]

Indiana is 30 years of mediocrity separated from that tradition. It is time to let go. Remember it. But you can't rebuild the program on it. It doesn't work and never will. Kids now don't know about that history. It is time for Indiana basketball to step into a new era. Rather than shadowing the current players with the past we should be encouraging them to build a legacy of their own. A 30 year hiatus in being elite kinda garners a change.

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So you want to discuss that history when it is beneficial to your argument? I would love to see your business model suggestion other than their product sucks. That is about all you have said. If that is all you are gonna say then ok. We can move on. What has potential? During the negotiations neither company offered much in terms of potential because IU is still with Adidas in spite of (e)X-Hoosier not wearing it.

[X-Hoosier]

So you want to discuss that history when it is beneficial to your argument? I would love to see your business model suggestion other than their product sucks. That is about all you have said. If that is all you are gonna say then ok. We can move on. What has potential? During the negotiations neither company offered much in terms of potential because IU is still with Adidas in spite of (e)X-Hoosier not wearing it.

Potential to make more. Under Armour and Nike both notice that a basketball program won't be enough. And our football seems to be a small upswing. Football is where the potential at. Adidas doesn't help. The ceiling with Adidas is quite low. Louisville is their top program. Basketball and football. Adidas was going to give us money because they're losing ground quickly in basketball because people have found out their product does suck. They might have great soccer and track equipment.. but our basketball team can't wear soccer cleats on the court. It was just another terrible decision by Fred and co. The long term, money making potential is not with Adidas. Other programs like Michigan, Wisconsin and UCLA are seeing this and those are places on the upswing trying to be elite. While Indiana seems to be content with mediocrity.

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[mdn82]

Well if Nike and UA agree with you they will pay up on the next contract. Over the life of this contract Adidas paid more. You really need to accept that. That is the contract that matters. As for the "they are fine with being mediocre". That is just asinine. It is not Fred Glass job to make any shoe company more money. It is for him to take the best deal with most money

[X-Hoosier]

Well if Nike and UA agree with you they will pay up on the next contract. Over the life of this contract Adidas paid more. You really need to accept that. That is the contract that matters.

No. Being with Adidas doesn't help Indiana sports. What don't you get about that? Something is obviously broken somewhere. Might as well change the things you can.

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[mdn82]

12 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

No. Being with Adidas doesn't help Indiana sports. What don't you get about that? Something is obviously broken somewhere. Might as well change the things you can.

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Jesus.  A shoe brand does not "help" anywhere other than recruiting.  What don't you get about that?  This is not NBA2K16.  You don't just throw **** at the wall and see what sticks.  This is a truthful business where money talks.  UCLA and Michigan are in a little bit of a different position to ask shoe companies for more money due to football.  Their cases are quite a bit different.  I don't expect you to understand that either.  The only business deals you have ever been a part of are what video game should I buy today?  Get back with me when you can actually put some numbers of what Nike was offering versus what Adidas is offering.  Anyone with half of a sense of business would say, "Take the most money".  Because it is guaranteed money.  It isn't potential money.  On the next contract if Nike offers more money, Glass should take it.  Its that simple.  It is not about brand loyalty to me.  You keep talking potential.  You have 0 clue on that.  They only have as much potential as the brand is going to market them.  Is Nike or UA going to take IU national?  If IU took a cut on the deal and they were guaranteed a certain amount of marketing, then sure.  But that isn't how these deals are set up.  When is the last time you have seen a commercial for a college basketball jersey?  Mind Blown.......

[X-Hoosier]

Jesus.  A shoe brand does not "help" anywhere other than recruiting.  What don't you get about that?  This is not NBA2K16.  You don't just throw **** at the wall and see what sticks.  This is a truthful business where money talks.  UCLA and Michigan are in a little bit of a different position to ask shoe companies for more money due to football.  Their cases are quite a bit different.  I don't expect you to understand that either.  The only business deals you have ever been a part of are what video game should I buy today?  Get back with me when you can actually put some numbers of what Nike was offering versus what Adidas is offering.  Anyone with half of a sense of business would say, "Take the most money".  Because it is guaranteed money.  It isn't potential money.  On the next contract if Nike offers more money, Glass should take it.  Its that simple.  It is not about brand loyalty to me.  You keep talking potential.  You have 0 clue on that.  They only have as much potential as the brand is going to market them.  Is Nike or UA going to take IU national?  If IU took a cut on the deal and they were guaranteed a certain amount of marketing, then sure.  But that isn't how these deals are set up.  When is the last time you have seen a commercial for a college basketball jersey?  Mind Blown.......

Has Adidas taken the Indiana brand national? No. Which those in charge at Indiana are part to blame because of the stubbornness when it comes to jersey changes. There is always pros and cons in each decision. The pro in the Adidas deal is that it initially offers more money. Cons? Crap product, dying brand in the US, inability to connect with the US culture... you can keep going. Our players can't wear Adidas classic out onto the court either. This decision seemed to made on "well it doesn't seem to be broke and they offered some money." Does anyone know how long the UA or Nine deals could have been? Glass even try negotiating or just layover? Indiscriminate will be stuck for now. With the resources Indiscriminate has it can be elite in several sports. Those in charge don't seem to want that. They just want "competitive."

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[X-Hoosier]

Jesus.  A shoe brand does not "help" anywhere other than recruiting.  What don't you get about that?  This is not NBA2K16.  You don't just throw **** at the wall and see what sticks.  This is a truthful business where money talks.  UCLA and Michigan are in a little bit of a different position to ask shoe companies for more money due to football.  Their cases are quite a bit different.  I don't expect you to understand that either.  The only business deals you have ever been a part of are what video game should I buy today?  Get back with me when you can actually put some numbers of what Nike was offering versus what Adidas is offering.  Anyone with half of a sense of business would say, "Take the most money".  Because it is guaranteed money.  It isn't potential money.  On the next contract if Nike offers more money, Glass should take it.  Its that simple.  It is not about brand loyalty to me.  You keep talking potential.  You have 0 clue on that.  They only have as much potential as the brand is going to market them.  Is Nike or UA going to take IU national?  If IU took a cut on the deal and they were guaranteed a certain amount of marketing, then sure.  But that isn't how these deals are set up.  When is the last time you have seen a commercial for a college basketball jersey?  Mind Blown.......

I do think Indiana could have done better. If they would have negotiated.

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[X-Hoosier]

And even if you don't believe in potential money... the product is worth what isn't offered.

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[mamasa]

And even if you don't believe in potential money... the product is worth what isn't offered.

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