Should we really care about players being "Creaned"?

[GloryDays 5,932]

I was stating the obvious. Another obvious is it doesn't really matter what I want Crean to do or you either. My mention of his sub patterns is not some obscure realization that the rest of Hoosiernation hasn't already figured out. Remember how his sub patterns were received last year by 17,500 faithful?

All Haters!

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

All this talk about creaning players got me thinking---wouldn't it be fun if we could crean some BTown Banner posters at the end of each year?

 

I know--I probably wouldn't make it past the first year!  :stop:

[OliviaPope40 6,638]

Why don't we all just put down the drinks.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

The oversign plan.  Crean knows what he's doing with the offers, and the players and assistants are on the same page.  I don't understand the posters who perceive players to be victims of creaning when they know exactly what they're getting into.  They try to claim that the current system is "horrible" or "embarrassing" or "a shame"....or whatever.  There's a plan where everybody knows what they're getting into, and they willfully chose to agree to it.

 

In that way, it's working itself out well.

 

Results on the court?  Completely different discussion.

 

Oversigning?  It's the standard and the players aren't victims of it.

 

 

Surely you don't believe that roster management is unrelated to results on the court? The guys on the roster play on the court. I may have misunderstood your point there.

 

I've said it a bunch of times - I don't care about the players as "victims" as you state it. It doesn't bug me a bit. But please clarify who you think is aware of the "oversign plan." Are you saying that Crean, his assistants, the players who will be leaving currently on the team, and the recruits who will be replacing them are all aware and informed of this plan?

 

Or are you saying Crean only informs the recruits of his plan? 

[GloryDays 5,932]

Why don't we all just put down the drinks.

Hell No!Are you crazy? But I'm done with this.

[OliviaPope40 6,638]

Hell No!Are you crazy? But I'm done with this.

Woodson you know what you are exactly right we are beating a dead horse one too many times.

Edited October 17, 2014 by OliviaPope40

[GloryDays 5,932]

Surely you don't believe that roster management is unrelated to results on the court? The guys on the roster play on the court. I may have misunderstood your point there.

 

I've said it a bunch of times - I don't care about the players as "victims" as you state it. It doesn't bug me a bit. But please clarify who you think is aware of the "oversign plan." Are you saying that Crean, his assistants, the players who will be leaving currently on the team, and the recruits who will be replacing them are all aware, informed of this plan?

 

Or are you saying Crean only informs the recruits of his plan? 

Classic! Its a rather secretive master plan.

[MikeRoberts 7,207]

We only lost valuable veteran players after the 2013 season and that hurt us last year, and those players left due to graduation or to go play in the NBA. We lost zero important veteran players at the end of last year.

that is pretty disrespectful to Etherington. He was one of our toughest and smartest players and was coming off a pretty nasty injury. He will be really good for butler and will be sorely missed as an upperclassmen


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Not promising on a consensus #1 team most of the year that should have won a national championship or at least a final four with 2 of the top 4 picks in the draft and 6 1000 point career scorers(Watford, Hull, Oladipo, Zeller, Sheheey, and soon Yogi). Wow, your sophmore expectations weren't much.

Did you watch him play? He was lost and his shooting was very poor. I'm not ready to say he was going to be "a nasty senior slasher go to defender" as you stated. I'm not sure what other point you're trying to make.

[MikeRoberts 7,207]

We only lost valuable veteran players after the 2013 season and that hurt us last year, and those players left due to graduation or to go play in the NBA. We lost zero important veteran players at the end of last year.

and we lost Abel the year before; would have offered maturity and leadership last year: what we needed


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

that is pretty disrespectful to Etherington. He was one of our toughest and smartest players and was coming off a pretty nasty injury. He will be really good for butler and will be sorely missed as an upperclassmen


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What's disrespectful is the amount of PT and open shots he was given and didn't take. Look at what he did for us last year and tell me that he was a leader and contributor. I wish him the best and I wanted to see him succeed especially after that awful injury, but he was able to contribute.

[All_Hoosiers 873]

that is pretty disrespectful to Etherington. He was one of our toughest and smartest players and was coming off a pretty nasty injury. He will be really good for butler and will be sorely missed as an upperclassmen


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That wasn't hard to be on last year's team.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

and we lost Abel the year before; would have offered maturity and leadership last year: what we needed


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How do you know this? There is literally no way of proving this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Abell also reportedly had failed a drug test. Let's not start putting our unproven players of the past who have since moved on up on a pedestal.

[MikeRoberts 7,207]

It's crazy how some will be so quick to rip a current player/one that transferred but will get so defensive over a kid that hasn't even played a game here. Hot new thing, yeah!!! Misplaced loyalty


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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,722]

What's disrespectful is the amount of PT and open shots he was given and didn't take. Look at what he did for us last year and tell me that he was a leader and contributor. I wish him the best and I wanted to see him succeed especially after that awful injury, but he was able to contribute.

I was marginal on Etherington. I liked his skill and potential better than Hartman. He was athletic but HE DID pass up too many open 3's. He didn't seize his moment but he had a lot of potential and still does. Not a huge loss, but I could see him successful at Butler.

If I were to rank our losses:

1. Roth
2. Creek
3. Abell
4. Jurkin
5. Hollowell
6. Marlin
7. Patterson

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,722]

I was marginal on Etherington. I liked his skill and potential better than Hartman. He was athletic but HE DID pass up too many open 3's. He didn't seize his moment but he had a lot of potential and still does. Not a huge loss, but I could see him successful at Butler.

If I were to rank our losses:

1. Roth
2. Creek
3. Abell
4. Jurkin
5. Hollowell
6. Marlin
7. Patterson

Who am I missing?? Recent transfers that is.....

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

It's crazy how some will be so quick to rip a current player/one that transferred but will get so defensive over a kid that hasn't even played a game here. Hot new thing, yeah!!! Misplaced loyalty


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I'm not ripping anyone. Players that didn't really contribute much are being glorified to support the fault in the oversign. The real issue is Crean has recruited a lot of kids, like Etherington and Priller and all the rest, that aren't of the caliber that most want at IU. It doesn't mean that can't end up succeeding, but they are riskier recruits.

Those that have transferred had their chance to prove their worth. Those here now are either still proving it, or have yet to have the chance.

Overall, chasing more players just outside the top 100, as we've seen Crean doing a lot more of, is a better strategy for IU, in my opinion. Recruit players that are solid now, but have room to grow and who will need 3-4 year to reach their full potential. Players like Stan Robinson, Juwan Morgan, and OG are all players that fit that roster management strategy.

[MikeRoberts 7,207]

How do you know this? There is literally no way of proving this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Abell also reportedly had failed a drug test. Let's not start putting our unproven players of the past who have since moved on up on a pedestal.

he was/is very well liked by everyone and got along with everyone, is well mannered and a positive person. This comes from players and coaches. That would have been a great thing to have on the team last year, especially as an upperclassmen. Those are facts and by many accounts out team was very selfish, was clicky, did not always get along and lacked leadership. Sounds like he would have been a help.


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[All_Hoosiers 873]

It's crazy how some will be so quick to rip a current player/one that transferred but will get so defensive over a kid that hasn't even played a game here. Hot new thing, yeah!!! Misplaced loyalty


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Am I supposed to remain loyal to those that left?

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

he was/is very well liked by everyone and got along with everyone, is well mannered and a positive person. This comes from players and coaches. That would have been a great thing to have on the team last year, especially as an upperclassmen. Those are facts and by many accounts out team was very selfish, was clicky, did not always get along and lacked leadership. Sounds like he would have been a help.


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Those are all great things, and once again, I really liked Abell. But I said let's not put him on a pedestal as the solution to all of our problems last year. I'm sure he could have helped a bit.